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Posted: August 14, 2017, 1:10 PM Post
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Hearing the UW-Notre Dame series announcement got me excited for the upcoming college football season.

It looks like the Badgers have a favorable schedule and should once again be favorites to win the B10 West. Northwestern and Nebraska seem like the biggest threats.

Less than 3 weeks until the season starts...


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Posted: August 14, 2017, 8:45 PM Post
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I am very excited for the upcoming season. We have a legitimate chance to finish the regular season undefeated and it seems plausible that a spot in the playoff could come down to the B1G championship game.

Even with the loss of Cichy our defense appears to be strong. Offensively we should once again be able to pound it down people's throats with a good line, and I think Shaw will have a very good year at RB.

We need to take care of business at home especially against Northwestern, Iowa, and Michigan, and not have a letdown on the road at BYU or Nebraska. No big opening weekend this year to get the season under way, and we wont have the excitement playing a top-10 team seemingly every single week for a month straight like we did last year, but I am still very much looking forward to September 1st!


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Posted: August 29, 2017, 2:40 AM Post
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I am very excited for the upcoming season. We have a legitimate chance to finish the regular season undefeated and it seems plausible that a spot in the playoff could come down to the B1G championship game.

Even with the loss of Cichy our defense appears to be strong. Offensively we should once again be able to pound it down people's throats with a good line, and I think Shaw will have a very good year at RB.

We need to take care of business at home especially against Northwestern, Iowa, and Michigan, and not have a letdown on the road at BYU or Nebraska. No big opening weekend this year to get the season under way, and we wont have the excitement playing a top-10 team seemingly every single week for a month straight like we did last year, but I am still very much looking forward to September 1st!



Dang...I hadn't followed the Badgers camp at all. This is the first I'd heard about Cinchy. Love watching that guy play. I think we're still loaded on the inside and we have our entire DL back, but that guy just made plays.


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Posted: August 29, 2017, 7:45 AM Post
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LB depth is going to be tested with a couple injuries including Cichy. I think the offense is going to be substantially improved albeit very young. Oline is going to be better and they have 3 RB's, 3 TE's, Peavy, and a couple promising underclassmen WR's. I think they will have to score some more as it won't be reasonable to expect the D to be as good as it was last year.

BYU was entirely unimpressive last weekend. Michigan at home will be tough and Northwestern is never easy. Biggest game is probably on the road at Nebraska. Unless there are significant injuries I would be disappointed if they have more than 2 regular season losses.


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Posted: August 29, 2017, 8:52 AM Post
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I'd say a reasonable goal is to go undefeated regular season since they'll be favored in all games. 11 wins is a good expectation though since you can't expect undefeated, you'll slip up once. 10 wins in regular season would be a slight disappointment with this schedule unless of course they make up for it by winning the B1G title game.


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Posted: August 29, 2017, 8:52 AM Post
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This (could) be a year of frustration for me. It is very much lined up to head back to Indy to win the Big 10 but I could very much see the Badgers stumbling against opponents that have no business beating them. I hope this doesn't happen and they just take care of business but it just feels too good to be real.

“There's a fine line between being confident and cocky, or overconfident. This is an extremely humbling game. But if you don't believe in yourself, no one else is going to believe in you.”


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Posted: August 29, 2017, 6:00 PM Post
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I'm concerned about offensive tackle. Edwards is still fairly raw, and they didn't have enough confidence in him to let him take LT thus the move for Dieter to LT and inserting a freshman in at center. Dietzen needs to get healthy; his return to the lineup last year coincided with the improvement in the running game, and that's no coincidence.

On the plus side, they are deep at RB and it seems like they have the horses again to make the jet sweep a big part of the offense again. Taylor is really coming on and now is listed as an "or" at first team on the depth chart. Shaw, James, Taylor, Ibrahim, Deal... not as talented as Ball/White/Gordon, but as deep or deeper.

Defensive line will be the best its ever been. We could finally see the real Leon Jacobs - yeah, the dude who ran down Gordon in practice but for some reason could never find a way to get him on the field. I'm anxious to see what he will do back on the outside. Fortunately they have the depth to survive the injuries at LB. Could be the best cornerback trio in the conference, and one of the best in the country.


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Posted: August 30, 2017, 4:53 AM Post
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I'm concerned about offensive tackle. Edwards is still fairly raw, and they didn't have enough confidence in him to let him take LT thus the move for Dieter to LT and inserting a freshman in at center. Dietzen needs to get healthy; his return to the lineup last year coincided with the improvement in the running game, and that's no coincidence.

On the plus side, they are deep at RB and it seems like they have the horses again to make the jet sweep a big part of the offense again. Taylor is really coming on and now is listed as an "or" at first team on the depth chart. Shaw, James, Taylor, Ibrahim, Deal... not as talented as Ball/White/Gordon, but as deep or deeper.

Defensive line will be the best its ever been. We could finally see the real Leon Jacobs - yeah, the dude who ran down Gordon in practice but for some reason could never find a way to get him on the field. I'm anxious to see what he will do back on the outside. Fortunately they have the depth to survive the injuries at LB. Could be the best cornerback trio in the conference, and one of the best in the country.


Through my red colored glasses, I prefer to look at it as they like Edwards more in pass protection that they want him covering the blind side while playing to Dieter’s strength in run blocking. And Biadasz has been has been so good that it became logical to move Dieter outside to get him in the lineup. As a group though, they probably aren’t loaded with top 60 draft picks and future pro bowlers like the vintage Chyrst offenses of the 10 and 11 teams. I still think overall it will be an improved group expecting developmental improvements across the board.
Back-up QB is probably concern A for me. Hornibrook didn’t exactly display elite pocket presence to expect him to avoid all injuries. Coan is a decent enough recruit, but not that you’d expect to lead a top 10 team as a true freshmen.
With Baun and Cichy out, the options at outside linebacker concern me as well. Suddenly a walk-on, redshirt freshmen that I’ve heard very little on is in the 2 deep; and conceivably, rotation. Its worked before I guess, but…
I hope you are right about the DLine. I have yet to see them as the elite group that other team's offense has to game plan for, but the potential to take that step is certainly there and they won’t lack experience. Still might be bit premature to put them ahead of the ’04 line, you know, before Purdue decided to take out James knee.


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Posted: August 30, 2017, 9:06 AM Post
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Ah, yes, forgot that the QB is a lefty and that RT will be the blind side.

Comparing the DL to '04 (and I think the 2010 line of Watt/Allen/Hemer/Gilbert/Kohut/Butrym/Nzegwu was better than the '04 line) is a bit of apples/oranges, as the DL responsibilities of a 4-3 are very different than a 3-4. In a 3-4 the job of the DL is to occupy the OL to free up the LBs to make plays; they are not expected to rush the passer. But there is a lot of talent - Sagapolu, Rand, Obasih, James, Sheehy, Loudermilk (who will be a monster), and Hirschfeld isn't even on the 2-deep (nor is Preston, Howe, or Pfaff). Those guys have a ton of experience and do their job of occupying the OL.


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Posted: September 09, 2017, 5:18 PM Post
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2-0 but not exactly impressive victories. Huge game for Taylor though. Lots of upside to this team despite the mistakes.


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Posted: September 10, 2017, 9:55 AM Post
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2-0 but not exactly impressive victories. Huge game for Taylor though. Lots of upside to this team despite the mistakes.


It seems like that is typical Wisconsin football. Beat the average and below average teams close(closeish)...play the big boys tight win or lose.


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Posted: September 10, 2017, 10:07 AM Post
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Once again they completely abandon the jet sweep, allowing the opponents to put 8 in the box and come crashing in on corner/safety run blitzes off the corner.

Even if they just fake it, it keeps the OLBs/corners/safeties at home and opens up the middle.

Coan looks like he has a lot stronger arm than Hornibrook, who threw several balls behind receivers and had a bad INT. Coan was an early enrollee and practiced in the spring; he's familiar with the playbook. It probably won't happen, but if he becomes the starter in mid-October I won't be surprised.


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Posted: September 10, 2017, 2:14 PM Post
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Did UW miss on a Wisconsin guy (Menomonie) in Nathan Stanley? He's sure looked good so far for them.

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Posted: September 11, 2017, 12:29 AM Post
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Once again they completely abandon the jet sweep, allowing the opponents to put 8 in the box and come crashing in on corner/safety run blitzes off the corner.

Even if they just fake it, it keeps the OLBs/corners/safeties at home and opens up the middle.

Coan looks like he has a lot stronger arm than Hornibrook, who threw several balls behind receivers and had a bad INT. Coan was an early enrollee and practiced in the spring; he's familiar with the playbook. It probably won't happen, but if he becomes the starter in mid-October I won't be surprised.



I agree what you're saying, but I'm not sure they should do it just because of the RB depth. I would learn more towards one of the young, athletic WR'ers. We have a few of them. The reason being, I think Shaw takes a little bit to get going and I'm not sure James has the speed you'd like to run that and be able to not only hit the HR on it, but also make it a big threat. And Taylor has the speed, but I'd rather he benefit from the threat of it as our main back.

At the very least it keeps the DE/OLB'er from crashing like you said and setting the edge. That leaves the counters which we love running wide open.

At QB, I haven't seen much of Coan, but Chryst strikes me as the type of coach who's not going to take the traditional approach to making a change, ie, waiting for an awful performance in a loss, or waiting until they get down big before making a change. I still like Hornibrook and think he'll improve, but if he doesn't, the Badgers can certainly end up with 11 wins, a nice win in a bowl game, but at some point the program has to try and take that final step to put itself in contention for a playoff spot. If Coan does that...I think Chryst will do that.


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Posted: September 11, 2017, 12:43 AM Post
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Did UW miss on a Wisconsin guy (Menomonie) in Nathan Stanley? He's sure looked good so far for them.



He had huge numbers....but it was Iowa State. So hard to say. I think they've been a 3-4 win team for the last 5 or so years. Pretty bad program. And it took a 4th quarter comeback and OT. That said, he did throw two really nice fades inside the 20-25 yardline and then made a nice throw to win it in OT from the 5. Scrambled, rolled to his right and then threw it where only his guy had a chance to get it. His other 2 TD's were on a little bubble screen where it didn't go pass the LOS and then on a little check down where his back just made guys miss and took it 50 yards.

So maybe. That said, we signed Hornibrook the year before and we signed Coan this past year. Coan was just slightly higher rated(20th PPQB) and Hornibrook was rated lower but in a better class(41stPPGB). Stanley was the 20th rated Pocket Passer.

He is at a Wisconsin like program that seems to constantly develop 2-3 star recruits and turn them into NFL players, so we'll see. I'll be rooting for him for no other reason than he's a Wisconsin guy.


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Posted: September 11, 2017, 7:25 AM Post
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The story on Stanley is that Anderson didn't recruit him because he's a typical dropback QB, not a spread dual threat. Chryst came in and did all he could, gave the full court press but it couldn't make up for the lost ground to Iowa and the kid sticking to his word with Iowa. Look at their depth after Horni, true frosh and redshirt frosh (who really wouldn't be here if his brother wasn't a 5 star recruit). They'd for sure want Stanley at least for the depth and who knows, he could easily be starting right now.


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Posted: September 11, 2017, 5:18 PM Post
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Chryst changed QBs last year during the GA State game, even though Houston led the team to 216 yards of offense in the first half (and 54 points the week before). Badgers weren't scoring, but it wasn't Houston's fault - he wasn't the one who fumbled at the goal line, or dropped a pass, or ran a route one yard short, or missed a field goal.


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Posted: September 12, 2017, 11:16 AM Post
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I still scratch my head at hiring Anderson. I was abhorring the thought of transitioning to a spread offense...

So glad we went back to traditional with Chryst.


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Posted: September 12, 2017, 11:16 AM Post
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NOTE: I've left the generic thread open now that we moved to the Other Sports Forum. But if you feel like opening a thread for a specific Badger topic, feel free to do that.


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Posted: September 14, 2017, 9:38 AM Post
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CheezWizHed said:
I still scratch my head at hiring Anderson. I was abhorring the thought of transitioning to a spread offense...

So glad we went back to traditional with Chryst.


It did bring us Aranda and the 34 aggressive D instead of the old Bret bend but don't break D of standing 12 yds off wideouts and getting picked apart. Offensively though, yea that was never going to work here


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