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Offline  Re: Packer WR Depth - Who to keep?
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Posted: September 02, 2017, 12:43 PM Post
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According to sources, the Packers have cut Clark, McCaffrey, Yancey, and Dupre.

Packers moving forward with Nelson, Adams, Cobb, Janis, and Davis with Allison on the reserve-suspended list.


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Offline  Re: 2017-18 Green Bay Packer Roster Prediction
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Posted: September 02, 2017, 1:07 PM Post
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I wonder if the Packers would take a look at a veteran o-lineman cut today like John Greco to serve as a multi-position interior line backup if a guy like Barclay isn't going to be able to go right out of the gate.

Eric Winston was released by the Bengals as well, who could provide depth at OT if we're not comfortable with the Spriggs/Murphy combo.




For what it's worth, Browns fans seemed surprised by Greco getting cut and looking over a couple forums thought he was at least good depth along the line. They also have Kevin Zietler and Joe Bitino at their guard spots with Tretter at C, so it's not like they don't have good players inside there.

The Browns also run a zone blocking scheme...


Added-The Ravens also cut Jeremy Zuattah...primarily a center during his career, but right now we're thin their as well. Couldn't find PFF's report on him, but did fine one saying that he should be a big boost in SF(where he was cut two weeks ago).

It's hard to tell with some of these guys from SF or Cleveland what the reason behind the cut is. They're awful teams in total rebuild modes, so are they just not keeping any aging talent because it won't be around...or are they just done.


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Posted: September 02, 2017, 2:53 PM Post
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Vikings cut Alex Boone too, although being I watch the Vikings alot he seems to be a big talk no action type of guy.


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Offline  Re: Packer WR Depth - Who to keep?
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Posted: September 02, 2017, 4:18 PM Post
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Cutting McCaffery is a mistake imo.

“There's a fine line between being confident and cocky, or overconfident. This is an extremely humbling game. But if you don't believe in yourself, no one else is going to believe in you.”


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Offline  Re: Packer WR Depth - Who to keep?
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Posted: September 02, 2017, 4:33 PM Post
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Cutting McCaffery is a mistake imo.



I agree. But every year there are 1 or 2 guys they cut that I think are huge mistakes. I remember when the cut Rolle a couple years ago I thought that was a mistake. Then he goes down to Houston and gets a couple picks in a game and it looks even worse. Over the long run...he's been a journeymen type DB.


I wonder how quickly Gilbert will get picked up or IF he gets picked up. So many teams need OLB'ers and he played so well...I hope he makes his way back on to our practice squad.

And if I had my choice among the WR'ers who got cut to make the practice squad, Clark would be the one I'd pick...and perhaps the Packers were thinking the same thing since he only played 6 snaps in the final pre-season game.



It'll be almost as interesting to see what the practice squad looks like...especially given how frequently we call guys up from year to year rather than acquiring guys via free agency or trade.


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Offline  Re: Packers-Breakout Stars...
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Posted: September 02, 2017, 8:46 PM Post
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At the end of last year, I was expecting Clark to jump out this year. He was beginning to blossom this year and given his age, I'm expeting a big breakout. Lowry kind of surprised me in game one and various write-ups in preseason. He looks like a difference maker. So, like you said, those three on the line together are going to be good this year. Might even cover for our OLB deficiencies.

I'm going to counter your Rollins with Randall. He looks much better this year and I'm thinking he was more injured than "advertised" last year. Ala D-Adams of 2 years ago. Either way, I'd be happy if one of them does.

I think Montegomery will breakout. No more talk about the conversion. He will be a dangerous RB. Great on the pass, good on the run. I think Williams will end up being the short yardage guy. Rip will still get his chances, but Wiliams will get most.


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Posted: September 03, 2017, 11:17 AM Post
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Taysom Hill to the Saints' active roster.... surprising.

Brian Price to the Cowboys.

And the Packers have claimed DE Chris Odom from Atlanta.


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Posted: September 03, 2017, 1:10 PM Post
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Jayrone Elliott traded to Dallas for a 7th, Gilbert & Callahan to the practice squad.


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Posted: September 03, 2017, 2:08 PM Post
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Wasnt it the saints who picked up callahan last year for a few weeks? They must like mccarthy qbs.


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Offline  Re: Packers-Breakout Stars...
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Posted: September 04, 2017, 12:36 AM Post
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At the end of last year, I was expecting Clark to jump out this year. He was beginning to blossom this year and given his age, I'm expeting a big breakout. Lowry kind of surprised me in game one and various write-ups in preseason. He looks like a difference maker. So, like you said, those three on the line together are going to be good this year. Might even cover for our OLB deficiencies.

I'm going to counter your Rollins with Randall. He looks much better this year and I'm thinking he was more injured than "advertised" last year. Ala D-Adams of 2 years ago. Either way, I'd be happy if one of them does.

I think Montegomery will breakout. No more talk about the conversion. He will be a dangerous RB. Great on the pass, good on the run. I think Williams will end up being the short yardage guy. Rip will still get his chances, but Wiliams will get most.



I wasn't. Maybe it was Nick Perry's first 4 years, Jones, or our recent history of late first rounders not panning out that clouded my opinion, I just wasn't feeling confident he was gonna be a impact player. I kept hearing how much better he was playing from the analysts toward the end of last year, but I didn't really see it. But this year...he just looks so much different. Like he's in a new body. His frame just looks bigger. And I have an affinity for Wrestlers who play football...it helps so much with the hand fighting. But I didn't see this jump.

I did think Lowry could be a good player, but then I was convinced by the scouts and everyone who talked about his short arms that he wasn't gonna be. But he has a Bosa/Watt type frame and motor. So maybe he's not a superstar because of his short arms, but he can at least be a good player. He also looks a lot bigger.

As for Randall, I don't know if you guys watch hard knocks, but there was a guy who hurt his knee this past week and stayed in the game and he was just a little slower and absolutely got exposed. So even if Randall's injury wasn't worse than they said...he tore a muscle in his groin that required surgery. I don't know how a DB can be anywhere near 100 pct with an injury like that. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he had a big year this year. He's flashed several times before. He saved the game for us vs the Jags last year with diving pass breakup on 4th down(or the last play of the game, can't recall which). He was also a bit of ball hawk his rookie year.

People also forget that in addition to being injured....both he and Rollins played different sports the first 3 years of college. He was a Baseball player IIRC and Rollins was the basketball player. So they were both hurt and raw after having productive rookie seasons.

As for Montgomery...he spent all off-season working with that feet guru...so he should have improved quickness in his feet and better agility which is the most important thing for a RB. I still won't begin to guess who ends up as the 2nd running back. Each week someone else looked better. One week is was Williams, then Mays..I thought Jones ran the best at the end but not by much. If our running game is working...Rodgers could throw near 50 TD's this year.


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Posted: September 04, 2017, 1:08 AM Post
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Jayrone Elliott traded to Dallas for a 7th, Gilbert & Callahan to the practice squad.



A little disappointed to see Elliot go. He looked so good at times during his career with the Packers, but could never sustain it. That they brought in Brooks and Odom...a guy who hasn't practiced at OLB'er at all is pretty telling about what their OLB'er group looked like.

They're also bringing in Quinton Dial, a 6'5 320 LB DE. With Don Barclay going from a guy that McCarthy wasn't worried about not being ready for week 1(same with Bulaga) and now going onto IR, it has to make you wonder if Lowry's injury isn't a little bit worse than they let on. Of course they are extremely secretive about injuries when they don't really need to be in the pre-season.

I am surprised that they didn't bring Gray back onto the practice squad...obviously I thought highly of him(of course these guys end up bouncing around quite a bit). Hopefully like Callahan last year, after being claimed by the Saints and then the Browns, maybe Hill will wind up back with the Packers.

Really glad to see Gilbert on the practice squad. I'll bet he ends up on the 53 man at some point this year. Pankey looked like he could become a player.

I also hope they bring someone in at Guard/Center. Greco looks ideal...but if they have Patrick/McCray as their #2 center heading into Seattle with that DL which now includes Richardson..they could be in trouble there if anyone goes down.


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Posted: September 04, 2017, 12:44 PM Post
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The 5th round pick they wasted on Yancey might have been able to be packaged with their 3rd round pick to move up in the 3rd to get Dan Feeney. Two picks after Jamal Williams was Sean Harlow; I think TT will come to regret that, but you can't predict that Jones and Mayes would be available later in the draft. They also could have packaged the wasted 6th round pick with the wasted 5th round pick to move up and get Asiata or Eluemunor.

They had opportunities to address guard without taking a flyer on a late round OT with no guard experience from a non-power-five conference team.


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Offline  Re: Packer WR Depth - Who to keep?
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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:26 AM Post
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McCaffrey ended up on the Saint's practice squad. Yancey & Clark are both on the GB practice squad I believe. Tom Silverstein had tweeted at Dupre was looking at other options (not sure if GB had offered and he declined, or if they moved on) and as of now Dupre isn't on anyone's practice squad.

Quite the fall for Dupre. Once talked about as a potential first round pick, decided to declare a year early and fell to the 7th round and now isn't even on a practice squad.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:37 AM Post
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Dial would add some rotational depth. He's only 27, but wasn't a scheme fit in SF as they move from a 3-4 to a Seahawk's inspired 4-3. 6'5" 320lb is prototypical size for a 3-4 DE (although we've tended to go with shorter/stouter guys during Caper's tenure).

I think they probably wanted to keep Geoff Gray. Great size and athleticism but a project. He just ended up taking the NY Jets offer instead.


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Offline  Re: Packers O-Line Depth
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Posted: September 05, 2017, 3:56 PM Post
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I am still desperately hoping that the Pack sign a veteran back up lineman. Injuries to the O-line could be a huge obstacle to winning it all. If you can't protect Rodgers, you not winning a thing. There is NO center/ guard depth. McCray is in over his head in my opinion. I'd have been surprised if he'd made the practice squad, I'm completely floored that he's on the 53 man. I like Patrick, but he's never played with live bullets. And even when he comes off the IR, Donny Barclay hasn't impressed me since his rookie year. A veteran makes all the sense in the world to me.


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Offline  Re: Packers O-Line Depth
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Posted: September 06, 2017, 1:01 AM Post
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I am still desperately hoping that the Pack sign a veteran back up lineman. Injuries to the O-line could be a huge obstacle to winning it all. If you can't protect Rodgers, you not winning a thing. There is NO center/ guard depth. McCray is in over his head in my opinion. I'd have been surprised if he'd made the practice squad, I'm completely floored that he's on the 53 man. I like Patrick, but he's never played with live bullets. And even when he comes off the IR, Donny Barclay hasn't impressed me since his rookie year. A veteran makes all the sense in the world to me.



Don Barclay has been put in bad situations which has made his bad play really stand out...but I'm with you. I've seen him play poorly enough that the only way I'll be convinced he's good is by him actually staying healthy(which is no small part of his problems) and him actually doing it. Just hearing McCarthy saying how much confidence they have in him doesn't inspire any in me.

McCray might be the worst interior OL that I've seen on the Packers in the last 15 years(of the guys to make a roster). I stand by what I said about it being tough to tell at times how bad the interior OL look in the pre-season because so much continuity and communication is needed, but how he makes this team over any of the 4 WR'ers we cut is baffling to me.

Patrick might be alright as a center, but I don't think he's a guard. He looked alright there.

What I hope they're doing is waiting until after week 1 and then looking at a guy like Greco(haven't seen if he's signed yet). But he had that Lisfranc injury and those take a loooong time to heal. I had one and it took a full two years before I was completely healthy. Now I didn't have NFL trainers and the top foot specialist in the world(like the Packers do) but I'm hoping waiting until after week 2(where his contract is not guaranteed) and them wanting to give him more time to heal is the only reason we haven't signed him. He's a perfect fit. Guard/Center who is a good NFL vet, should be cheap and comes from the same type of blocking scheme we run. At 32...you'd think he'd want to play for a contender. Especially after playing for the Browns.

So I strongly agree on every point. Packer fans who are 20 will probably never see another QB like Rodgers(or even Favre for that matter). Get him the players he needs to keep him upright. It's the last time I'll say it, but letting Tretter AND Lang go was a really poor decision IMO.


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Posted: September 06, 2017, 4:00 AM Post
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I agree on Lang, and so do the Packers. The guy played hurt and gave you everything he had. If the Packers had given TJ their final offer to him in 2016, he'd still be a Packer.


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Offline  Re: Packers-Breakout Stars...
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Posted: September 06, 2017, 11:25 AM Post
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CheezWizHed said:
At the end of last year, I was expecting Clark to jump out this year.

I wasn't. Maybe it was Nick Perry's first 4 years, Jones, or our recent history of late first rounders not panning out that clouded my opinion, I just wasn't feeling confident he was gonna be a impact player. I kept hearing how much better he was playing from the analysts toward the end of last year, but I didn't really see it. But this year...he just looks so much different. Like he's in a new body. His frame just looks bigger. And I have an affinity for Wrestlers who play football...it helps so much with the hand fighting. But I didn't see this jump.

I did think Lowry could be a good player, but then I was convinced by the scouts and everyone who talked about his short arms that he wasn't gonna be. But he has a Bosa/Watt type frame and motor. So maybe he's not a superstar because of his short arms, but he can at least be a good player. He also looks a lot bigger.


His improvement last year was subtle, but steady. He rarely made the big play, but was starting to win battles. And given he came in raw, 20 years old (hello body-development years), and was playing mostly on instinct, I expected another year of technique and weight training development would really turn the tide for him. I actually anticipate that he will become an all-pro DT in his career. I didn't like the pick at the time, but now I think it was a really wise investment.

Lowry is reminding me of Aaron Kampman. Not the most physically gifted guy, but a very hard-worker and technician. Going into this year, I figured he would be a decent rotation lineman, but his play in preseason has been very surprising to me. Daniels-Clark-Lowry could become our best ever 3-4 DL. They still have to stay healthy and play the games, but the potential is there.


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Posted: September 06, 2017, 11:33 AM Post
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docduany said:
I am still desperately hoping that the Pack sign a veteran back up lineman.


+1

When they kept 10 OL during the cut-down, I figured that Barclay wasn't ready for week 1, but I was surprised to see him in IR. Kind of a dumb rule that you can't put guys directly in IR during cut-downs. [sad] But I suppose you keep the 2 best and hope one of them is capable enough.

But still hoping for a better option. Alex Boone might've been an interesting backup option, but living in the Twin Cities area (pity me), there is a lot of news about an all-talk/no-show type player. Of course, that could be bashing the guy to make yourself feel better about losing him....


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They had opportunities to address guard without taking a flyer on a late round OT with no guard experience from a non-power-five conference team.

Given the sheer number of times the Packers have done this, and because they didn't this year, I tend to believe that they didn't like anyone there. Obviously, Amichia was "supposed" to be the G to push the others, it just didn't happen this year.

I think they probably wanted to keep Geoff Gray.

Gray was interesting, but pretty raw too. There were some nice fluff news items about him because of his different background that upped his "hype", but I'm guessing Amichia and Plankey were simply higher rated in their eyes and they didn't want 3 OL on the PS. Normally, the Packers are able to keep guys they want for their PS over other teams' PSs.

Dial is an interesting addition. Was getting paid starter money for SF and we land him as a backup. Him and Brooks certainly improve the depth. Too bad SF didn't change their OL philosophy too.


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