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Posted: July 20, 2019, 11:19 AM Post
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An elite shooter is what they needed most against toronto. On paper this team is now better than last years, despite loosing Brogdon.


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Posted: July 20, 2019, 11:22 AM Post
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Bucks signed Korver to a one year deal per Woj.


Really nice signing. The more shooters they can put on the floor the better, and there aren’t many that can stretch the floor like Korver.


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Posted: July 20, 2019, 11:23 AM Post
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LOVE the Korver signing. Knock down shooter like him will be huge for us all year, but could be a key piece to putting us over the top. Career 43% three point shooter? Sign me up!


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Posted: July 20, 2019, 11:26 AM Post
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Bucks also signing Frank Mason II to a 2 way contract


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Posted: July 20, 2019, 3:11 PM Post
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I don't think losing Brogdon hurts that bad only because losing to Toronto wasn't a matter of not having enough talent, but scheme and execution. I'm expecting that this entire offseason is being spent designing an offensive system to beat the Giannis Wall. I remember some plays against Toronto where they started having Giannis down in the 3-point corner to try and start his drives from there.

Will Korver really have that much of an impact? Offensively he seems to me a mirror image of Tony Snell--strictly a catch-and-shoot player who can knock it down, but only shoots when he's wide open. And Snell didn't light up the box scores.


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Posted: July 20, 2019, 3:11 PM Post
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I love the move
Ever since I heard the rumors, I've been praying Bucks sign him. We needed a J Reddick type SHARP shooter that wanted to be here.
Korver about to get a ring and retire.


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Posted: July 20, 2019, 3:49 PM Post
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I don't think losing Brogdon hurts that bad only because losing to Toronto wasn't a matter of not having enough talent, but scheme and execution. I'm expecting that this entire offseason is being spent designing an offensive system to beat the Giannis Wall. I remember some plays against Toronto where they started having Giannis down in the 3-point corner to try and start his drives from there.

Will Korver really have that much of an impact? Offensively he seems to me a mirror image of Tony Snell--strictly a catch-and-shoot player who can knock it down, but only shoots when he's wide open. And Snell didn't light up the box scores.


Korver is a waaaaaayyyyy better shooter than Snell. He is a top five 3 point shooter in the league. Great pick up.


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Posted: July 20, 2019, 5:05 PM Post
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Bucks also signing Frank Mason II to a 2 way contract


Really like this move too. Hopefully a change of scenery helps him settle in and be a productive NBA player. I think he’s a much better shooter than what he has shown so far in his young career with Sacramento. He sure could shoot when he was at Kansas.


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Posted: July 20, 2019, 7:34 PM Post
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Kyle Korver is one of the finest 3-point shooters in NBA history. 43% 3-point shooter lifetime. 40% last year. He can hit from anywhere - even with defenders on him. Of course, you want him open, but the guy is pretty unique.

However, his defense is bad, and at 38, his skills are fading. Should be a good role player. Perfect for the club.


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 4:57 AM Post
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Kyle Korver is one of the finest 3-point shooters in NBA history. 43% 3-point shooter lifetime. 40% last year. He can hit from anywhere - even with defenders on him. Of course, you want him open, but the guy is pretty unique.

However, his defense is bad, and at 38, his skills are fading. Should be a good role player. Perfect for the club.


I think Bud will play him with the best defenders the Bucks have. I think he is a great match with Robing Lopez in that the rim will be protected when Korver's defense slides. I think the first three shifts of the half look something like this.

Bledsoe.......Hill...................Bledsoe
Matthews…..Korver...............DiVincenzo
Middleton....Connaughton.....Middleton
Giannis.......Giannis.............Wilson
BroLo….......RoLo.................Ilyasova

I really like the second rotation With GA looking to drive and dish with RoLo looking for offensive rebounds. Bledsoe with the third group just drives, drives and drives looking to give it up the the four really good shooters.


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 5:24 AM Post
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Mr Southpaw said:
reillymcshane said:
Kyle Korver is one of the finest 3-point shooters in NBA history. 43% 3-point shooter lifetime. 40% last year. He can hit from anywhere - even with defenders on him. Of course, you want him open, but the guy is pretty unique.

However, his defense is bad, and at 38, his skills are fading. Should be a good role player. Perfect for the club.


I think Bud will play him with the best defenders the Bucks have. I think he is a great match with Robing Lopez in that the rim will be protected when Korver's defense slides. I think the first three shifts of the half look something like this.

Bledsoe.......Hill...................Bledsoe
Matthews…..Korver...............DiVincenzo
Middleton....Connaughton.....Middleton
Giannis.......Giannis.............Wilson
BroLo….......RoLo.................Ilyasova

I really like the second rotation With GA looking to drive and dish with RoLo looking for offensive rebounds. Bledsoe with the third group just drives, drives and drives looking to give it up the the four really good shooters.


So excited about the 1st quarter rotation, I did a 2nd quarter rotation. I know it is hard to play 13 players, but just think of the defensive intensity and all the rest we will get long term.

Hill.............Bledsoe......Hill
Matthews…..Korver........Connaughton
Middleton....Brown........Middleton
Ilyasova .....Giannis.......Wilson(Giannis in big Games)
BroLo….......RoLo...........BroLo


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 6:53 PM Post
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They're not going to use a 13 man rotation. Korver's minutes will be really limited until late in the season. Matthews and Hill will see their minutes managed too. Look for random injured list, etc. However they do it, they'll want to make sure these guys are fresh come playoff time.


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Posted: July 21, 2019, 7:49 PM Post
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I think the minutes will be divvied up something like...

Bledsoe (30)
Wes (24)
Khris (32)
Giannis (32)
BroLo (24)

Hill (24)
Ersan/RoLo/DJ (40)
DDV/Pat/Sterling/Korver (18)

Think it will be interesting to see how the back up big/wing rotations work out. Would be nice if one or more of DJ, DDV, Pat or Sterling could take a step forward & become a solid rotation piece. I feel like they've all shown flashes here & there.


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 8:38 AM Post
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I think Wes and Hill give up some minutes to those four guys on the bottom. I don't see either getting much more than 20 a game.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: July 22, 2019, 10:29 AM Post
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I think Giannis, Bled, Midds, and Brook are all similar in MPG as last year (28-32 mpg). I think we may see a few more rest days for those guys this season though. Having a true back up 5 this year and having a true back up PG from day one this year could help lighten the load of Bled and Brook.

If memory serves, bud would mostly go with a 10 man rotation during the regular season. Ersan, Matthews, Korver, Robin, and Hill are all likely start the season in the rotation. So that leaves three of DJ, DDV, Brown, and Pat out of the rotation to start the season, but as we saw last year they'll all get an extended run as part of the rotation. I think it was most obvious with Pat Connaughton. Korver is most likely to fall out of regular rotation minutes and potentially be used as more of a specialist.

TL;DR we should feel pretty comfortable with the depth of this team and excited where they are at from day 1 in 2019 vs where the roster was on day 1 of 2018.


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Posted: July 24, 2019, 6:03 PM Post
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GAME05 said:
I don't think losing Brogdon hurts that bad only because losing to Toronto wasn't a matter of not having enough talent, but scheme and execution. I'm expecting that this entire offseason is being spent designing an offensive system to beat the Giannis Wall. I remember some plays against Toronto where they started having Giannis down in the 3-point corner to try and start his drives from there.

Will Korver really have that much of an impact? Offensively he seems to me a mirror image of Tony Snell--strictly a catch-and-shoot player who can knock it down, but only shoots when he's wide open. And Snell didn't light up the box scores.



I think people want to convince themselves that losing Brogdon doesn't hurt because they want to be optimistic. In the playoffs, the rotation shrinks and losing a starter who shot 50/40/90 is an enormous loss. Getting guys to fill out the roster, something they could have and would have done either way doesn't change that.

And the problem vs Toronto wasn't scheme, it was that the Bucks stopped hitting their shots and the Raptors started hitting theirs. Losing the best shooter you had in that series who could also defend 3 positions and do multiple things does not make us better on paper.

Hopefully with Kawhi leaving the Bucks get out of the East, but if they end up playing the Clippers, they're gonna need another guy who can handle the ball with George, Leonard and Beverly on the floor.


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Posted: July 24, 2019, 8:18 PM Post
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reillymcshane said:
Kyle Korver is one of the finest 3-point shooters in NBA history. 43% 3-point shooter lifetime. 40% last year. He can hit from anywhere - even with defenders on him. Of course, you want him open, but the guy is pretty unique.

However, his defense is bad, and at 38, his skills are fading. Should be a good role player. Perfect for the club.



Kinda that Del Curry on the Bucks type role. That's a really nice player to have. And you can't just keep a guy on him. Not with Giannis on the floor. Giannis, Bled...the way they both are able to get to the basket, Korver's gonna be able to get some open looks. And hell, he can hit contested looks still as well.

I don't think they're as good as they would have been had they kept Brogdon, and I'm still not sure what happened with the TPE, if they have it or not, but given the situation going into this past season and Giannis latest comments, there's at least room for optimism. The Giannis wanting to be like Dirk, Steph....Duncan, I can't remember who else. Kobe maybe. But guys who all played in one place.

Now it's be really great is DDV is cleared to practice at the start of camp. He wasn't clear yet by Summer League..which isn't all that telling as you're not gonna risk a player for Summer League, but still a bit disconcerting.


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Posted: July 25, 2019, 10:15 AM Post
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Bucks round out the roster with Dragan Bender, seems like a great flier as a former #4 overall pick. Really like how the roster finalized. Maybe he can find his stroke in Bud's system.


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Posted: July 25, 2019, 11:04 AM Post
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That is a nice pickup hopefully he can turn it around as he is still very young.


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Posted: July 25, 2019, 11:15 AM Post
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wish they would have gotten some more help at the point after loosing Brodgon, but in todays NBA it doesn't matter as much as it used to who was bringing up the ball. Also they only had minimum deals that they could shell out, so it is what it is.

He was compared to Kristaps coming out of Croatia, so obviously if he becomes even half as good as him, its a great signing.


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