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Posted: January 22, 2020, 9:56 PM Post
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The fumbled happened, went forward, and the 49ers guy jumped on it pretty fast. So fast it wasn’t even a fight for the ball for anyone. I’m not sure who’s fault that botched snap was, but Rodgers has no chance to get it because the guard was pulling. So Rodgers had to scramble back after getting the snap so the guard could get between him and the center. Problem is once the snap was fumbled that meant a 300 pound lineman was in front of him, so no, he couldn’t even dive between the centers legs for it.

The other problem is when Rodgers looked back for the ball it was already long gone. You could see him searching for it. It’s hard to make an effort for a ball when you have no idea where it is. If you are expecting our franchise QB to jump under 300 pound lineman like a ball pit to get trampled...well, good luck. It seemed apparent he was playing it like a typical botched snap where lineman are kicking it around like a pin ball machine. Unfortunately, it flipped right to a 49er.


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Posted: January 23, 2020, 7:13 AM Post
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Going after Rodgers for that fumble is just silly. There has been plenty in his game to discuss but that isn't one of them.

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Posted: January 23, 2020, 8:49 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
Per PFF's defensive rankings:
8th Overall
4th Pass-rushing
7th Coverage
25th Run Defense

https://twitter.com/PFF_Packers/status/ ... 9631333378
You really do wonder if the run defense would be ranked higher if they had people better than Lowry, Lancaster, and Martinez as your primary run stoppers.


Deceptive numbers IMO. Packers had some good pass-rushing statistics, but the defense still ranked 20th in yards allowed per pass play against. Not very good. They were 24h in the league in yards allowed per run play against. Sacks and turnovers can make a big difference in the regular season, but it's hard to rely on turnovers and sacks against playoff teams that generally will have better quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

Also think it's really unfair to put the run defense problems Lowry, Lancaster and Martinez. Za'Darius Smith is not a good player against the run. He loves to gamble and jump into the wrong gap. He also is a hustler when going after the QB but is definitely not a hustler when it comes to chasing a running back downfield. Frankly, I thought the biggest problem the Packers had on Sunday was that the Smith's got smacked around early and looked like they pretty much gave up (wouldn't be a bit surprised if LaFleur's comments were aimed directly at those two guys). It also doesn't help that the Packers still haven't found a decent linebacker to pair with Martinez. B.J. Goodson played 39 snaps this past weekend, but he clearly is not one of their better players. Goodson hit 40 snaps in the Oakland game. But in the 9 games he played in between the Oakland game and this last weekend's game, he only played an average of 11 defensive snaps per game. Shanahan must have been licking his chops when looking at the film leading up to this game. He knew he was facing a defense that has been 100% built to stop the pass and he had the players to just completely pummel the defense. And did he ever. Halfway through the second quarter I couldn't help but think that this looked like a Wisconsin versus Weber State game.


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Posted: January 23, 2020, 9:00 AM Post
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All defensive numbers are deceptive and it can be for better or worse. If the 49ers throw 7 passes that's going to be generous to your "passing defense." There are too many variables that go into a matchup to really see how good a unit is based on yardage. You can see this essentially every week. Rodgers had 326 yards on Sunday and I'd hardly say he was slicing and dicing their secondary.

Clearly the Packers are vulnerable up the middle, but turnovers and points allowed are really what matters in the end. It's really, to me, more valuable to just go on eye test for the rest of it. You can tell by watching a defense what they do well. They've done a nice job shoring up the secondary and they can get to the QB. That's a hard problem to solve, imo much harder than fixing a rush defense, which Kansas City did in one season - former Packer Mike Pennel has been a big reason why.

They have their work cut out for them. The middle of the defense is a sieve. I genuinely feel like they are one great player or maybe two good ones from having a really good defense.


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Posted: January 25, 2020, 2:18 AM Post
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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
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I think the idea is that you don't want to create a hole on a team in hoping that the rookie you take out of North Dakota State or wherever can adjust to kicking in the NFL/at Lambeau in the winter, when you know that Crosby is fine.


I like the performance value relative to their cap number that a solid rookie contract K can provide, especially when you're really trying to address other needs, but I understand that it doesn't always work out. I'm sure the Bucs remember the Roberto Aguayo saga well. Matt Gay was ok, not great as a rookie this season.

I don't think it's a very strong rookie class of kickers in 2020. I think the guy from Georgia is at the top and there isn't much else.


That's the issue ... why create a hole for the sake of creating a hole? Why add another unknown to a team that already is likely to have several going into next season? Crosby seemingly wants to come back, isn't going to break the bank, and provides consistency. You're right ... they will need to eventually replace Crosby, and will likely do it with a young minimum-wage guy. But you don't do it following the best season of the guy's long, and actually pretty dang good career.


I've been on the "it doesn't pay to pay a kicker" bandwagon for awhile, but it does feel like the last few years that the rookie/undrafted kicker pool has gotten less and less reliable. It seemed like 3 or 4 years ago you could grab any rookie and get 80-85% but more and more of these guys seem to be flaming out.

I'm not interested in carrying a 5M+ cap number for any kicker not named Justin Tucker, but I'd be fine going like 2/6. That seems fair for both sides.

Loyalty is a 2 way street, and I hope Crosby remembers that many teams would have cut bait with him after 2012, and there's no telling whether or not he would have ever gotten a chance to get his career on track again. Instead, he's made $25M since then.


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Posted: January 25, 2020, 2:23 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
Per PFF's defensive rankings:
8th Overall
4th Pass-rushing
7th Coverage
25th Run Defense

https://twitter.com/PFF_Packers/status/ ... 9631333378
You really do wonder if the run defense would be ranked higher if they had people better than Lowry, Lancaster, and Martinez as your primary run stoppers.


What does Dean Lowry do well that made Gute decide he was worth a 3 year/20+M extension? I'm honestly just wondering. It feels like the Brad Jones and AJ Hawk extensions from years past - "well, these guys aren't good, but they're our guys and they fill a hole, so..here's some money."


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Posted: January 25, 2020, 8:26 AM Post
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I've never liked Dean Lowry, but he was 24 and had gotten better each year in the league. It wasn't crazy money by NFL standards for an ascending DL. It seemed like a Ted Thompson move where you retain your own guy just for the sake doing it. I can see why he did it though, if he continued developing at the pace he was, those were bargain years.


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Posted: January 25, 2020, 8:36 AM Post
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Lowry won't ever be a star, but he is durable, strong and assignment-sure. That makes him dependable, which does bring a strong value in the NFL. You need guys like that. Where the D-Line lacks is expecting a guy like Lancaster, who is a very poor man's version of Lowry, to start on the other side. Lancaster is very much just a guy, maybe even a bit below that. He just doesn't have the athleticism to match up. Lowry's is marginal as it is. This team needed Montravius Adams to step up, and he didn't. Adams has the kind of athleticism that is very much needed, but got washed out a lot in his sporadic playing time. Both he and Keke need to improve. It wouldn't surprise me to see a high pick or free agent DL acquired as well.

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Posted: January 25, 2020, 9:54 AM Post
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Lowry had some good games down the stretch, that's sort of what you get with average DL's, spurts of good play and other stretches where you wonder if they were even in the game. Adams was sure a disappointment after the good finish in 18 and Pettine hyping him in the offseason. But he was a boom or bust type pick and I think his effort was always the question. Maybe we can get a quality year out of him now that he is playing for another contract.


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Posted: January 25, 2020, 10:02 AM Post
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I think DE is a very likely spot to see them add a body this year. I'd love another Wilkerson-type 'prove-it' deal for a guy if they choose to devote their big FA money/draft picks elsewhere.


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Posted: January 26, 2020, 4:26 AM Post
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As a whole I'm not disappointed with the defense this year, but I'm really concerned about how outcoached Mike Pettine was in the NFCCG. Pettine was absolutely pantsed by Shanahan. It's concerning to get outcoached to the level he did in that high profile of a game and what it means going forward with him.


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Posted: January 26, 2020, 8:15 AM Post
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I don't think it's insignificant that pretty much all of SF's staff has worked with MLF. That's a long time to learn a guy's tendencies.


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Posted: January 30, 2020, 4:40 PM Post
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https://sports.yahoo.com/za-darius-smit ... 11112.html

#1, if you simply got your ass kicked, just say so. Anything else comes off like an excuse if you simply got overmatched.

#2, if this is actually true and you simply didn't show up ready to play, this is unacceptable on an unfathomable level. YOU ARE LITERALLY PLAYING A QUALIFYING GAME FOR THE SUPER BOWL. It is the pinnacle of your very profession. On top of that, YOU LITERALLY TOLD ANYONE WHO WOULD LISTEN THAT IF YOU PLAYED THE 49ERS AGAIN YOU WOULD BE READY.

I'm just blown away that one of the leaders of the defense can come out and say not only was the team not ready for this game, but he individually was not ready for it. The Charger game was your one mulligan to say "We didn't show up today" and get to shrug it off and say it happens. Not the mother loving NFC championship game.

Is the leadership and individual accountability on this team really this bad? What kind of incentive exactly do these 53 men need to go and lay it all out on the field for 3 hours in the biggest game of their lives?


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Posted: January 30, 2020, 5:26 PM Post
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That doesn't really bother me at all.

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Posted: January 30, 2020, 5:45 PM Post
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homer said:
That doesn't really bother me at all.


Maybe I am not interpreting the context of his words correctly. It bothers me a lot that this team went out to California to play a football game three times this year and each of the three times they did not remotely resemble a professional football team. But this one certainly most of all.


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Posted: January 30, 2020, 6:55 PM Post
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"We weren't ready to play" always struck me as page 5 in the canned response quote book. It's something you say when you know you sucked and can't explain why. Or you know the answer is "they're much better" and want to say something else.


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Posted: January 30, 2020, 8:14 PM Post
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MLF apparently fired the WRs coach last week.


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