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Posted: November 12, 2019, 8:57 AM Post
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Seahawks or 49ers.

Basically do you want our defense to get slaughtered or do you want the offense to get slaughtered. I guess I look at the 49ers and see they were pretty uninspiring against both the Redskins and Cardinals. I think I will take the 49ers and hope our offense can do enough...but man the 49ers D would tear our line up. On the flip side maybe you hope for a bad game from the Seahawks offense.

Obviously the 49ers game will make this questions a bit more clear.


I think I lean toward the Seahawks simply because I'd rather face a bad defense. I've seen much better Packers offenses struggle against top defenses in the postseason before and it's not pretty. I don't want to see MVS and Allen Lazard trying to move the chains in the NFC title game against that SF defense.

I much prefer the odds of Rodgers finding some magic and putting up 30 on Seattle while hoping the Smiths can at least force Russ into a bad decision or two. I just see this team matching up better in that kind of game. I don't think he is as good a QB as Russ is at this point but he may not have to be to beat him.

I would twist your question to whether you want to see if Rodgers can be better than Wilson once or can our defense be better than SF's once?To me that is an easy choice.


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Posted: November 12, 2019, 4:24 PM Post
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I'd agree. I'd rather face Seattle than 49ers. I feel like eventually, 49ers would wear down our front 7 and run all over us. All while our offense struggled mightily...mostly because the defense is so good.


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Posted: November 12, 2019, 9:01 PM Post
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They flexed GB-SF to SNF.


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Posted: November 13, 2019, 6:36 AM Post
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I'd agree. I'd rather face Seattle than 49ers. I feel like eventually, 49ers would wear down our front 7 and run all over us. All while our offense struggled mightily...mostly because the defense is so good.



One big problem is definitely Turner in pass protection. Both Bulaga and Bahk have played well below what's expected of them at times in the last 4-5 weeks, but Bulaga has a hand issue that should be cleared up and Bahk is a All Pro. But Turner....he just gets beaten so badly at times that he's a pretty big liability.

But Seattle, SF...I don't really trust Jimmy G yet, but they've got a great running game and front 7, but it's not like Seattle's front 7 is a problem area for them. They have Wags and Clowney. And I think NO is probably better than both of them.

I think I'd take my chances with SF, trust Rodgers to be able to move around in the pocket, hope Bulaga and Bahk can get it going and we can keep that offense under ~24 and give ourselves a chance.

The 2010 team wasn't as good as the 2011 team, but they got hot at the right time and things clicked. Maybe that happens this year.

I know I've been hoping for it all year, but it'd be nice if we could get Tonyan back, get a little more athleticism from the TE position and then get Raven Greene back. He was originally expected to come back around the Bye. He can do a lot of things in the middle of our defense, among them, hopefully help slow down some of these TE's that seem to carve us up.


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Posted: November 13, 2019, 8:44 AM Post
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The 2010 was a hell of a lot better defensively than 2011. The 2018 team was.


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Posted: November 13, 2019, 11:41 AM Post
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The 2010 team was a lot more balanced. It was a 10-6 wildcard but they had 2 injury plagued losing streaks during the season. Lots of people were picking them to win the SB going into the playoffs, they were slight underdogs in Philly but were favorites the rest of the way. They may have had a better team on paper going into 2011 but a lot of that was just the continuation of what they had at the end of the previous season. Once Collins went down they were worse than the 2010 team, remember they lost Jenkins as well and I really don't think they added much.


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Posted: November 13, 2019, 11:47 AM Post
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They were an underdog in Atlanta as well and lost a game there earlier in the season. I think the line moved to -1 by kickoff, but they were still an underdog. A lot of people forget how dicey that game began; without the Tramon play it probably would've gone down to the wire. The Packers fumbled on an early drive and gave up a kickoff for a TD, they were down 14-7. The Tramon play was really a killer. Atlanta was just dead coming out of the half.

The rest is pretty true though. They had a 12-4 pythagorean that year, it was a much better team than 10-6. Rodgers essentially missed two games, and people ALSO forget how bad the offense was early in the season. It was bad. They were 3-3 and lost two straight OT games to Washington and Miami. That team was freakishly close to being more like 14-2...and they also never trailed by more than 7 all season, a really crazy stat.


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Posted: November 13, 2019, 12:16 PM Post
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It appears you are right on the Atlanta spread, I guess the fact that a #6 at a #1 seed was nearly a pick em at kickoff makes me remember them as favorites. I also tend to factor in the 3 point home field advantage when looking at spreads too so maybe remember it as the Packers being considered the better team going in.


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2010 was right at the beginning of the rise of advanced analytics in football. Brian Burke had his own website back then (he works for ESPN now) and I believe he had the Packers as top 5 defense and I think the best passing offense. His model had them winning it all going into the playoffs.

I was a little off....Defense was 6th, offense was 4th (passing offense was 3rd)

http://archive.advancedfootballanalytic ... final.html

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Posted: November 13, 2019, 2:17 PM Post
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Rumblings of Newton to the Bears in the off season. As a Bears fan I don't like it as it doesn't fix the issue of the offensive line it is just a different QB with a bad o-line. Not even sure how they would fit him under the cap.


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Posted: November 13, 2019, 2:24 PM Post
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Rumblings of Newton to the Bears in the off season. As a Bears fan I don't like it as it doesn't fix the issue of the offensive line it is just a different QB with a bad o-line. Not even sure how they would fit him under the cap.


You are right. That would just be another band-aid on a severed arm for that franchise.


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Posted: November 13, 2019, 3:37 PM Post
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He hasn't been particularly good in quite some time. I'm not sure he solves either problem at this point in his career.


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I don't know how the Bears would work that cap wise.

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Posted: November 13, 2019, 5:47 PM Post
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Wow, there are people out there that still think Cam Newton is a plus NFL QB?

In the four years prior to the Panthers big 2015 season, Cam Newton had a QB rating of 85.4, a 1.52 TD/INT ratio and the Panthers were 30-31-1 in games he started. In the four years after the Panthers big 2015 season, Cam Newton has a QB rating of 82.6, a 1.48 TD/INT ratio and the Panthers are 23-23 in games he started.

As a Packer fan, I'd absolutely love to see the Bears trade for Cam Newton.


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Posted: November 13, 2019, 8:08 PM Post
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Wow, there are people out there that still think Cam Newton is a plus NFL QB?

In the four years prior to the Panthers big 2015 season, Cam Newton had a QB rating of 85.4, a 1.52 TD/INT ratio and the Panthers were 30-31-1 in games he started. In the four years after the Panthers big 2015 season, Cam Newton has a QB rating of 82.6, a 1.48 TD/INT ratio and the Panthers are 23-23 in games he started.

As a Packer fan, I'd absolutely love to see the Bears trade for Cam Newton.



The guy's always playing when he's beat to hell. He obviously runs the ball and takes a lot of punishment because of that, but he's also has NOT benefited from the protections that other QB's have gotten. Because he's so big and such a freakishly athletic big athlete, defensive players have gotten away with a ton of hits that they wouldn't have gotten away with against Rodgers or Brady or almost anyone else.

I could definitely see Newton after sitting out this whole year and finally taking the time to get healthy still having a good stretch left in his career. Especially if he had a great defense, a really good running game(Montgomery looks like a really nice back).

I really couldn't see him being WORSE than what Trubisky has been this year. If I was the Bears I'd try to help support Trubisky with a good TE and then obviously trying to upgrade the OL before I'd go out and take a chance that Newton is an appreciable upgrade over Trubisky. But obviously Bears fans aren't patient, the organization isn't patient and they don't have a lot of different options for upgrading that QB position.


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Posted: November 13, 2019, 8:31 PM Post
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The 2010 was a hell of a lot better defensively than 2011. The 2018 team was.



The 2011 team was a helluva lot better offensively.
They had no RB until they found one late in the year in Ryan Grant, they had players dropping like flies that year, one of their key players was Howard Green, a run stuffer we picked up off the street. Guys like Finley were dropping while we were relying on UDFA Sam Shields.

But...and I thought this was obvious, the point isn't to go back and quibble over the talent on the 2010 team vs the 2011 team, I was just trying to say maybe this team can go on a run and win the SB despite the fact that they don't appear to be the favorites right now. That's it. Nothing more meant behind what I said. Just maybe this team gets some breaks and makes some timely plays and can get back to the SB despite the fact that there are better more talented teams.


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Posted: November 14, 2019, 8:39 AM Post
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I don't agree though and you have some facts confused. The stats are skewed because of how bad the team was to start the year. By the end of the year they were close to the same juggernaut that they were to start 2011. They didn't find Grant late in the year...he had been on the team for four years by then and went on IR to start the season. They found Starks late in the year and he was a beast heading into the playoffs. The end of 2010 was Jordy's coming out party, Jennings had established himself as a top guy and Driver was still productive, and they had James Jones.

It was a very good offense that yes, did lose a bunch of guys and had to adapt...but it was pretty much the same guys + a rookie Randall Cobb and a healthy Finley in 2011. Remember that the Steelers defense was #1/#2 depending on the website and that offense largely humiliated them.

IDK what Shields being a UFDA has to do with it. UFDA or #1 overall pick, he was an exceptional player. IMO he's one of the most underrated Packers of the last decade. He was a great corner.


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Posted: November 14, 2019, 11:57 AM Post
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Combined records of remaining opponents for teams vying for #1 seed in NFC:

49ers 40-25-1
Seahawks 33-22-1
Vikings 30-25-1
Saints 33-33
Packers 25-30-1

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Posted: November 14, 2019, 6:10 PM Post
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homer said:
Combined records of remaining opponents for teams vying for #1 seed in NFC:

49ers 40-25-1
Seahawks 33-22-1
Vikings 30-25-1
Saints 33-33
Packers 25-30-1

Pretty much the reverse of the season’s first half.


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Posted: November 14, 2019, 7:05 PM Post
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homer said:
Combined records of remaining opponents for teams vying for #1 seed in NFC:

49ers 40-25-1
Seahawks 33-22-1
Vikings 30-25-1
Saints 33-33
Packers 25-30-1


Here are the head to head matchups:

GB @ SF
SF @ NO
MN @ SEA
GB @ MN
SF @ SEA

I would say NO is a pretty solid bet to take one of the bye spots. After that it is wide open, nice to be a part of it again.


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