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Posted: October 29, 2019, 12:57 PM Post
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I never quite understand why NFL teams don't just unload their players at the trade deadline when they have no chance in competing. I mean, why not grab as many picks and such as you can for players that have no future with you?


NFL GMs are playing checkers for the most part, while smart MLB GMs are playing chess.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 1:27 PM Post
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I think the salary cap plays a big role in how many trades can take place.

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Posted: October 29, 2019, 2:08 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
I never quite understand why NFL teams don't just unload their players at the trade deadline when they have no chance in competing. I mean, why not grab as many picks and such as you can for players that have no future with you?


A lot of times you'll get comp picks for these guys who leave. Makes it not really worth unloading guys for mid to late round picks unless you think you're getting back more than what you would otherwise.


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adambr2 said:
Brew4U said:
I never quite understand why NFL teams don't just unload their players at the trade deadline when they have no chance in competing. I mean, why not grab as many picks and such as you can for players that have no future with you?


A lot of times you'll get comp picks for these guys who leave. Makes it not really worth unloading guys for mid to late round picks unless you think you're getting back more than what you would otherwise.

I think bad teams also tend to overvalue their own assets ... hence why they are bad.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 2:33 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Brew4U said:
I never quite understand why NFL teams don't just unload their players at the trade deadline when they have no chance in competing. I mean, why not grab as many picks and such as you can for players that have no future with you?


A lot of times you'll get comp picks for these guys who leave. Makes it not really worth unloading guys for mid to late round picks unless you think you're getting back more than what you would otherwise.

I think bad teams also tend to overvalue their own assets ... hence why they are bad.


Kinda makes the Packers' decision to deal Clinton-Dix for a 4th at least year's deadline look like a great move. Of course that 4th was used as part of the package to move up for Savage, which is looking like a very solid move.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 2:47 PM Post
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Rams trade Aquib Talib and a 2020 5th rounder for a 7th rounder in 2022.

Rams continue to make make curiously idiotic moves in an attempt to "go for it." I mean, I get that Ramsey is good. But ... I'm guessing that some of the same people that thought the deal they made for Ramsey was great also thought that the deal they one made for Talib was great. Now they have to give up value just to rid themselves of his contract. That is not good roster and cap management. The rams are setting themselves up to fall off a cliff at some point.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 2:54 PM Post
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Talib could have been a 49er, but he essentially blocked it from happening threatening to not show up.

Now, a Miami Dolphin.

Then again being a rich football player in Miami is prooooobably a decent gig.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 3:04 PM Post
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Rams trade Aquib Talib and a 2020 5th rounder for a 7th rounder in 2022.

Rams continue to make make curiously idiotic moves in an attempt to "go for it." I mean, I get that Ramsey is good. But ... I'm guessing that some of the same people that thought the deal they made for Ramsey was great also thought that the deal they one made for Talib was great. Now they have to give up value just to rid themselves of his contract. That is not good roster and cap management. The rams are setting themselves up to fall off a cliff at some point.

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Posted: October 29, 2019, 3:12 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Rams trade Aquib Talib and a 2020 5th rounder for a 7th rounder in 2022.

Rams continue to make make curiously idiotic moves in an attempt to "go for it." I mean, I get that Ramsey is good. But ... I'm guessing that some of the same people that thought the deal they made for Ramsey was great also thought that the deal they one made for Talib was great. Now they have to give up value just to rid themselves of his contract. That is not good roster and cap management. The rams are setting themselves up to fall off a cliff at some point.

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It doesn't make any sense to to for them to activate Sternberger over Campbell if Campbell is healthy, at least to me. Campbell was a solid contributor last year in his short time healthy.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 5:54 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Rams trade Aquib Talib and a 2020 5th rounder for a 7th rounder in 2022.

Rams continue to make make curiously idiotic moves in an attempt to "go for it." I mean, I get that Ramsey is good. But ... I'm guessing that some of the same people that thought the deal they made for Ramsey was great also thought that the deal they one made for Talib was great. Now they have to give up value just to rid themselves of his contract. That is not good roster and cap management. The rams are setting themselves up to fall off a cliff at some point.



I don't get why you're comparing trading a 24 year elite Corner for multiple 1sts with a 32 year old corner that they traded for a 5th?

Just two totally different scenario's.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 5:58 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Brew4U said:
I never quite understand why NFL teams don't just unload their players at the trade deadline when they have no chance in competing. I mean, why not grab as many picks and such as you can for players that have no future with you?


NFL GMs are playing checkers for the most part, while smart MLB GMs are playing chess.



It's just two different sports.

In one of them, you have to know what the other 10 guys are doing on every single play. Chemistry actually is important. The other sport is just basically a team sports comprised from individual matchup's.

So it's a lot easier to throw a guy into LF in the middle of the year than it is to throw a guy out there at Tackle for instance in the middle of the year.

I really don't think it's because people in baseball are just smarter than those in football.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 7:12 PM Post
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They’ll likely get a 3rd rounder as compensation if he leaves, so I assume the asking price would be at least a 3rd rounder (which converts the uncertainty of a compensatory to a known commodity).



I think Brown has made it clear he plans on retaining Green. If nothing else they have either or both the franchise and transition tags they can use this year. They tag him and they can potentially get more without having to wait a year or just bring him back at 15-17 million per year.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 8:15 PM Post
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HiAndTight said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Rams trade Aquib Talib and a 2020 5th rounder for a 7th rounder in 2022.

Rams continue to make make curiously idiotic moves in an attempt to "go for it." I mean, I get that Ramsey is good. But ... I'm guessing that some of the same people that thought the deal they made for Ramsey was great also thought that the deal they one made for Talib was great. Now they have to give up value just to rid themselves of his contract. That is not good roster and cap management. The rams are setting themselves up to fall off a cliff at some point.



I don't get why you're comparing trading a 24 year elite Corner for multiple 1sts with a 32 year old corner that they traded for a 5th?

Just two totally different scenario's.


Talib and Peters were hyped as a shutdown CB duo for them after they acquired both via trade last year. Now both are gone, and they actually had to pay a team to take Talib's contract. All I'm saying is that is not good management. And that I believe the huge haul they are giving up for ramsey is going to turn out poor for them as well.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 8:30 PM Post
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Unloading players in the NFL would require a buyer that is already most likely winning and that needs that specific position and can pay him. That is a very limited number of teams. It is also by far the least plug-n-play sport of the major three. The schemes are complex and suited to the roster. It's much harder to just shove a guy in the lineup.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 8:48 PM Post
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I think the salary cap plays a big role in how many trades can take place.

It's a big reason. Competing teams are usually short on cap space so they can't take on much, and trading players with respect to signing bonuses is the same as releasing a player in that any prorated signing bonus gets allocated all to the following season just like dead money from cutting a player.


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Posted: October 29, 2019, 9:34 PM Post
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Right, a trade can hurt the cap by both teams in the trade. Also sellers realize in the NFL, you can fairly easily go worst to first in a year. So unless a player is in their final year, hesitant to trade good players. Determining value is also much tougher, there's not objective stats like baseball.


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Posted: October 30, 2019, 2:05 AM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
HiAndTight said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Rams trade Aquib Talib and a 2020 5th rounder for a 7th rounder in 2022.

Rams continue to make make curiously idiotic moves in an attempt to "go for it." I mean, I get that Ramsey is good. But ... I'm guessing that some of the same people that thought the deal they made for Ramsey was great also thought that the deal they one made for Talib was great. Now they have to give up value just to rid themselves of his contract. That is not good roster and cap management. The rams are setting themselves up to fall off a cliff at some point.



I don't get why you're comparing trading a 24 year elite Corner for multiple 1sts with a 32 year old corner that they traded for a 5th?

Just two totally different scenario's.


Talib and Peters were hyped as a shutdown CB duo for them after they acquired both via trade last year. Now both are gone, and they actually had to pay a team to take Talib's contract. All I'm saying is that is not good management. And that I believe the huge haul they are giving up for ramsey is going to turn out poor for them as well.


Ok...but they did end up in the Super Bowl last year and it certainly wasn't because of their Super Bowl that they lost. I think everyone can agree on that, right? It's pretty hard to argue with those results.

Arguing that Ramsey isn't going to work out is too vague for me. What means it hasn't worked out? Did the Bears trade for Mack not work out because a year after the Bears went 12-4, they're not struggling?
I don't know what people would expect him to suddenly start to struggle, but it does seem like that's what you're hinting at by conflating the Talib acquisition and the Ramsey one. Again, 32(now nearly 34) vs a just turned 25 year old 1st Team AP.


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Posted: October 30, 2019, 2:14 AM Post
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Unloading players in the NFL would require a buyer that is already most likely winning and that needs that specific position and can pay him. That is a very limited number of teams. It is also by far the least plug-n-play sport of the major three. The schemes are complex and suited to the roster. It's much harder to just shove a guy in the lineup.



And at some positions it can be devastating. You trade for a OL and you don't get the blocking scheme down and you can end your QB's season. Even at a position like CB, they move around so much and they have so many different plays and looks, you're often left changing up your entire scheme in order to simplify it until the guy gets up to speed.

And if you have a QB like Rodgers, you add a whole other level of complications to it. I knew after Shepard slipped and that ball went off his facemask he was pretty much done in GB. It seems like a real battle for him to gain a WR'ers trust and next to impossible to get it back if you lose it. So bringing in a skill position player other than RB in-season for players like that...that's tough. With Favre, it was much easier. So I'm sure teams factor that in.


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Posted: October 30, 2019, 7:24 AM Post
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Ok...but they did end up in the Super Bowl last year and it certainly wasn't because of their Super Bowl that they lost. I think everyone can agree on that, right? It's pretty hard to argue with those results.

Arguing that Ramsey isn't going to work out is too vague for me. What means it hasn't worked out? Did the Bears trade for Mack not work out because a year after the Bears went 12-4, they're not struggling?
I don't know what people would expect him to suddenly start to struggle, but it does seem like that's what you're hinting at by conflating the Talib acquisition and the Ramsey one. Again, 32(now nearly 34) vs a just turned 25 year old 1st Team AP.


I'm not advocating that Ramsey will struggle. I actually think he'll be ok. I just think that the acquisition cost was WAY too high ... to the point where he pretty much has to operate at an All-Pro, defensive MVP level to justify it. But I wouldn't have done the Mack deal, either. The Bears in my opinion are even further away than the Rams, and while stars win regular season games, teams with solid depth typically win championships. I guess overall I'm just not a fan of the Rams philosophy on team-building.


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LeVeon Bell claims both the Packers and Steelers tried to get him at the deadline.


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