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Posted: October 06, 2019, 7:19 PM Post
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NFL box scores are next to useless determining how a game went/unit performed. Big leads mean lots of cheap yards. That game probably ends 48-10 if King picks off the pass at 24-0.

Oddly the offense is still a bigger concern to me. Five weeks in, and you just still feel it's missing something. Adams today, but someone in that WR group needs to get it going. With someone as good as Jones back there it shouldn't be this hard. Still waiting for Rodgers to hit someone in stride down the field. Don't know if it's him, timing, lack of chemistry or what.


I think that collarbone injury affected Rodgers accuracy and it probably will never be what it once was.


I have worried about that but he still seems like he can make all the throws, just not as consistently as he used to. No TD's today but a big road win and he had a great day.


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I think that's probably not true since that's not how bone injuries work. I think he had quite a rapport with 3-4 receivers and now has one while the whole team adapts a new offense. And the guys he has aren't vets. It's a bunch of young guys or Allison, who hasn't been able to stay healthy the last couple years. NFL teams are really works in progress from Oct-Jan. This offense could be a juggernaut by the end, we just don't know, but it's sure not gangbusters right now.

4-1 matters though. Just win the games in the fall and be a good team in the winter.


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I think that's probably not true since that's not how bone injuries work. I think he had quite a rapport with 3-4 receivers and now has one while the whole team adapts a new offense. And the guys he has aren't vets.

I think it’s more this than a collarbone issue. Also doesn’t help that he’ll turn 36 in a few weeks. I mentioned this in a previous GT, but Driver, Jennings, Nelson, and Jones were a special foursome.


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With 4 TDs in a single game, Aaron Jones matches Al Bundy’s career high. Though, to be fair, Jones did not have to go through Marion ‘Spare Tire’ Dixon.


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With 4 TDs in a single game, Aaron Jones matches Al Bundy’s career high. Though, to be fair, Jones did not have to go through Marion ‘Spare Tire’ Dixon.


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Posted: October 06, 2019, 8:09 PM Post
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The laugh track in that clip is so over the top ridiculous.


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In hockey they say the worst place to be is up by two goals on the road going into the 3rd period. Many a game has been blown up two on the road in the 3rd period.

I imagine that isn't much different being up big after halftime on the road. Pretty easy for the momentum to swing, especially if the team up big goes into conservative offense/defense.


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Packers may not be at their best in all facets, but who is? Cowboys looked complete after 3 games, then lost two. Rams are not amazing anymore. Etc. NFL is week to week, and so dependent on injuries. No team is consistently great in every area. Pats? Who knows. They get out of their lousy division this week and play the Skins, lol.

Rodgers is clearly not in his prime. I think the WRs are better than we think, Rodgers is missing them more than in the past, or not even seeing them. But the passing game can improve. If they had a new coach, scheme, WRs, etc. 7 or 8 years ago Rodgers would have made it work in week 1. He can't do that anymore, it's going to take time.


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These refs in the Chiefs/Colts game are brutal, along with questionable replays as usual.


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OldSchoolSnapper said:
NFL box scores are next to useless determining how a game went/unit performed. Big leads mean lots of cheap yards. That game probably ends 48-10 if King picks off the pass at 24-0.

Oddly the offense is still a bigger concern to me. Five weeks in, and you just still feel it's missing something. Adams today, but someone in that WR group needs to get it going. With someone as good as Jones back there it shouldn't be this hard. Still waiting for Rodgers to hit someone in stride down the field. Don't know if it's him, timing, lack of chemistry or what.



That's really becoming my main concern. I think people are pre-disposed to just assuming we don't have talent at the WR'er/TE positions if we don't get production out of them, but we've seen what MVS is capable of, we've seen Tonyan's pure athletic ability and we've seen how sure handed Allison is. I'm also finally getting on the Shepard bangwagon. The way he can turn Corners around like he did when he ran that corner route in the pre-season and that out and up in the game today....he's obviously an elite route runner and I think he's got good hands.


The problem as far as I can tell is Rodgers...I guess conservative nature. It's like he's going to make CERTAIN that the defense has zero chance to get their hands on the ball and he seems to be more cognizant of playing it safe as opposed to his MVP years when he just let it rip. He's overthrown guys the last two years now. Maybe he got used to older Jordy, Jones, Allison and the like, but he needs to put a little more air under the ball and let MVS go get it. That throw vs the Bears was great, but it should have been a TD. There was a throw where Allison got behind the D today and Rodgers missed him by several yards.

And the most frustrating thing is you can see him make some of those throws if we're losing...but we're not putting teams away like we should.


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Posted: October 07, 2019, 12:15 AM Post
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Just a brutal stretch coming up. I'm not a big believer in Dallas at all but the Packers next five games are teams over .500 with the exception of the Chargers. The schedule will not be the reason the Packers into the playoffs this year.



The next 5 games of the schedule aren't as tough as the first 5 games.

Carolina, Detroit and Oakland are middle of the pack teams. SD is talented, and the Chiefs are obviously very good.


I think that's highly debatable, and unknown honestly. Philadelphia could very well be the best team the Packers have played. The Raiders just beat the Bears, though the Vikings pounded them, but at this point it's hard to say the Vikings/Bears aren't middle of the pack.

Detroit gave KC a fight and beat Philly. I'm not seeing a real definitive distinction between CAR, DET, OAK and the Bears and Vikings other than last season.



You're right, I shouldn't have said it was definitively tougher. I believe it was however. KC is a juggernaut...like the 2011 Packers. But none of those other teams scare you. The Bears...that's a scary team. This may be the most talented defense they've ever had. I realize that's a big statement for a Bears team, but they've got the best defense anyone's had in a decade at least IMO. People focus on Mack and Jackson, but they've Hicks who I'd say is close to Clark in terms of impact, Goldman, Robertson-Harris. And Haha has been a perfect signing for them. With that pass rush, and those swarming LB'ers? I've love Trevathan, much less Smith, a LB'er with CB speed.

The Lions are a division rival...and it looks like a Pats coordinator is finally working, but they don't have a ton of talent. They'll be tough to run the ball against, but we should win that game. Carolina is a average team, the Raiders are not a very good team. So it's really two games on the road vs VERY talented teams and 3 games vs teams who we could lose to, but we really shouldn't. Other than Denver, I think the 4 other teams we've played are better than those three teams.

But we could certainly lose. Again, I expected a 4-5 type start to the season. Now it looks like it should pretty safely be 7-3.


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Posted: October 07, 2019, 12:37 AM Post
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Packers may not be at their best in all facets, but who is? Cowboys looked complete after 3 games, then lost two. Rams are not amazing anymore. Etc. NFL is week to week, and so dependent on injuries. No team is consistently great in every area. Pats? Who knows. They get out of their lousy division this week and play the Skins, lol.

Rodgers is clearly not in his prime. I think the WRs are better than we think, Rodgers is missing them more than in the past, or not even seeing them. But the passing game can improve. If they had a new coach, scheme, WRs, etc. 7 or 8 years ago Rodgers would have made it work in week 1. He can't do that anymore, it's going to take time.



I don't know if Rodgers has actually declined physically or if he's just playing a different style. There was one play when he had a clean pocket and he bailed out. Bulaga was running Lawrence out of the play and Rodgers had I think it was MVS open on a post and he bailed out and scrambled. It was late in the 3rd IIRC.

It's so obvious that Rodgers hasn't lost any arm talent and he's still plenty mobile. That back shoulder throw he made on family night to Kumerow shows what he can do. I just don't think he trusts the WR'ers. Tonyan SHOULD be a matchup nightmare but it just feels like Rodgers is locking in on guys. And that's not something he's done in his career.

I think it's a combination of him not wanting to take a hit and miss several weeks AND him not having this offense down like he has in the past where he just knows where guys will be. It's gonna take a full year for him to get this offense down, but he should have it down enough by the last half of the season to be able to start getting back to the type of offense we have come to expect.

I'm definitely a Rodgers over Favre guy, and I think there were teams that Favre had that would have been much better with Rodgers, but if Favre had this group of skill players, I think they'd be producing at a higher level. Rodgers is not the type of QB who just "makes it work," with skill players unless he absolutely has to. Like at the end of the Cards Wild Card game a few years ago.


Maybe I'm wrong and Rodgers has regressed...he's clearly not putting enough under some of those deep balls. He's got this NBA sized WR'ing Core. He has to start trusting them. Of course, as soon Tonyan does make a big play, he's out the rest of the game. They need to scrap the "get the ball to Graham," emphasis and the Lewis screen game and try and get Tonyan more involved, try to get MVS more involved early on. And definitely start working Shepard more. That guy has just an innate feel for setting up that double move or for getting open.


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With 4 TDs in a single game, Aaron Jones matches Al Bundy’s career high. Though, to be fair, Jones did not have to go through Marion ‘Spare Tire’ Dixon.


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Do you think Jones wears #33 to honor Bundy?

Honestly, some of the offensive ‘struggles’ (can you even call it that after scoring 34 points?) are probably due to 1) playing in a totally new offensive system and 2) barely playing together in the preseason.

Also, I’m OK with Rodgers’ conservative play as he enters his late 30s. The Packers are 4-0 in games where they’ve won the turnover battle. They have an above average defense and a punter who can net them 50 yards. Taking care of the ball is underrated.


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If we win I’d guess the story line will be more about how much the Cowboys are “pretenders” than it is about us being “contenders”.


You called that one. ESPN headline:

With second straight loss, how good are the Cowboys?


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Like I said before though, that's a fair narrative. The Cowboys have two wins against the 0-9 Redskins and Dolphins and a third against the Giants. They lost a 12-10 game to the Brees-less Saints and went down 31-3 to the Packers. There's no reason to think that team is good.

I'd be more impressed if the Packers played a complete game against Detroit. To this point, they're a better team and have competed tightly with good ones. Fair to say GB should beat Detroit at home, but not a game where they can just show up and coast.


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But none of those other teams scare you. The Bears...that's a scary team. This may be the most talented defense they've ever had. I realize that's a big statement for a Bears team, but they've got the best defense anyone's had in a decade at least IMO. People focus on Mack and Jackson, but they've Hicks who I'd say is close to Clark in terms of impact, Goldman, Robertson-Harris. And Haha has been a perfect signing for them. With that pass rush, and those swarming LB'ers? I've love Trevathan, much less Smith, a LB'er with CB speed.



They are good but let's keep it in perspective, they gave up 398 yards and 24 points to the Raiders yesterday and it could have been worse if they didn't punch the ball away from Davis at the goal line. Davis looked pretty good other than that play.


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Wasn't the Cowboys O-Line crippled in this game? If not for that I wonder how much pressure we really would have been putting on Dak/Elliott. Our DBs also got torched badly. If not for Dak sucking on multiple throws this game would have been way different. For instance they should have been up 7-0 on a huge pass when Cooper was left wide open on their opening drive. Instead he threw it behind him and it turned into an INT.

It was nice to see the offense have a great day, but once again I am left wondering if this defense is actually good.


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Never thought i would feel blah about a ten point win in Dallas.
The 468 yard they gave through the air and 24 points in a half kind of dimmed the enjoyment.

It really feels like a gift win.


You don't enjoy sports, do you?


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The state of football all but assures your defense isn't going to look that good even if it is good. You can blank the Redskins and Dolphins of the world but any +QB is going to get a lot of yards, which Dak did on 44 passes. He finished with a QBR of 27. Unless your DB gets away with slapping a guy in the head it's just very difficult to contain anything average and above passing the ball.

Takeaways are really the name of the game more than ever before. If you can tighten your D in the red zone and take the ball away twice a game that basically suffices for having a good defense. Those of us who are older still have a tendency to hold defenses to the standards of the 80s and 90s and it just isn't the same.


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Feel about the same as I did coming in. Defense has issues and offense needs a receiver not named Adams to step up.


Of course you do.



Yeah, I think you need to just kinda laugh these IGT's off. 4-1 with a brutal schedule to start the season and it really feels like we're just a garbage team.

We beat the Cowboys pretty easily on the road. They got a lot of empty yards and a couple of late scores...and the offense is still very clearly a work in progress. It's really just that simple. But if you're not just rolling over teams, these threads are just toxic.


Exactly. Yesterday's game was a big win where the Packers came out, got a big lead early and were never really not in control. Yes, the Cowboys got a few late scores, and there was a time in the 4th quarter where there was a scenario in play that, had it happened, the Cowboys could have gotten back into the game, but it would have taken a lot of near crazy happenings to go the Cowboys' way. That's exactly how you want to beat another contending team.

The Packers came out with a near perfect game plan, and executed it near flawlessly. I also don't believe that there is a huge need for the Packers to seek out another WR. MVS is a highly skilled receiver that I believe has the talent to be a high end #2/#1 if given the chance to prove it. Allison and Kumerow are both solid role players, and Lazard and Shepard both have upside as well. The game plan yesterday had the WRs taking a backseat, and the Packers executed that game plan to perfection. No one can say that the Packers weren't able to move the ball well against another solid defense.


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