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Posted: September 10, 2020, 1:36 PM Post
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RollieTime said:
I hope the Bucks go all out and bring in Bradley Beal. He is exactly what they need to win a Championship. He is due nearly $29 million next season and the Bucks will need to line up financially to make the trade.

You start with Bledsoe and his $17 million. They will be able to flip him for a pick or two. Pick up Ilyasova’s contract for $7 million and trade him. Add Donte DiVincenzo and his $3 million to get the numbers close and as a solid player that the Wizards would love to add. Add the first round pick the Bucks got from the Pacers for the 2020 draft and one of their own whether it’s a 2021 or 2022 first round pick.

Bucks Receive:
Bradley Beal

Wizards Receive:
Eric Bledsoe
Donte DiVincenzo
Ersan Ilyasova
2 first round picks

Giannis has the ball in his hands and can be the point guard/point forward and with George Hill on the roster, we will be fine.


I would love Beal, but I have to believe they'll get 10 better offers than that. If those 1st round picks were lottery picks, sure, but they're not.


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Posted: September 10, 2020, 2:37 PM Post
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FVBrewerFan said:
RollieTime said:
I hope the Bucks go all out and bring in Bradley Beal. He is exactly what they need to win a Championship. He is due nearly $29 million next season and the Bucks will need to line up financially to make the trade.

You start with Bledsoe and his $17 million. They will be able to flip him for a pick or two. Pick up Ilyasova’s contract for $7 million and trade him. Add Donte DiVincenzo and his $3 million to get the numbers close and as a solid player that the Wizards would love to add. Add the first round pick the Bucks got from the Pacers for the 2020 draft and one of their own whether it’s a 2021 or 2022 first round pick.

Bucks Receive:
Bradley Beal

Wizards Receive:
Eric Bledsoe
Donte DiVincenzo
Ersan Ilyasova
2 first round picks

Giannis has the ball in his hands and can be the point guard/point forward and with George Hill on the roster, we will be fine.


I would love Beal, but I have to believe they'll get 10 better offers than that. If those 1st round picks were lottery picks, sure, but they're not.



I think if you change the 1st round picks to sometime in the future kind of like the Thunder and Clippers deal for George and have them swappable it could work.

For the Wizards you can almost guarantee that Wall is not going to be the player he was before his injury. He is owed $30+m a season for the next 3 seasons. Beyond Beal that team is garbage. This helps out the Wizards a lot and Beal only has two more years left on his contract.

The Wizards win this trade especially if the picks are further in the future with an option to swap.


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Posted: September 10, 2020, 3:15 PM Post
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Yes, but that's ignoring the fact there's a bunch of other teams who can put together a much better package. Better players, and more importantly better draft picks. If you're Washington, you want Bledsoe and some nebulous 1st round picks down the road that will likely never be lottery picks?


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Posted: September 12, 2020, 9:42 AM Post
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I understand that Chris Paul has been a great player in the league, but is 36 and 37 y/o Chris Paul really that much of an improvement over Bledsoe, Hill, at least one of the rare remaining first rounders, $15+ million dollars, plus more? That is likely what it would cost the Bucks.


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Posted: September 12, 2020, 12:00 PM Post
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Giannis unfollows the Bucks and all of his teammates on Instagram. I miss the days of this stuff not existing sometimes and this is a perfect example of why. But, this can’t be a very good sign of things.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: September 12, 2020, 12:38 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
Giannis unfollows the Bucks and all of his teammates on Instagram. I miss the days of this stuff not existing sometimes and this is a perfect example of why. But, this can’t be a very good sign of things.


Looks like he’s basically only following people in his immediate family like his brothers, girlfriend, and dog with only one or two others total mixed in. I wouldn’t find it too concerning personally. I know he’s deleted his social media accounts in the past. He might just be distancing himself from basketball for a couple weeks before it starts up again. He does things a bit differently than most people.


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Posted: September 12, 2020, 6:29 PM Post
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Someone said he does this every off season.


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Posted: September 12, 2020, 7:29 PM Post
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FVBrewerFan said:
RollieTime said:
I hope the Bucks go all out and bring in Bradley Beal. He is exactly what they need to win a Championship. He is due nearly $29 million next season and the Bucks will need to line up financially to make the trade.

You start with Bledsoe and his $17 million. They will be able to flip him for a pick or two. Pick up Ilyasova’s contract for $7 million and trade him. Add Donte DiVincenzo and his $3 million to get the numbers close and as a solid player that the Wizards would love to add. Add the first round pick the Bucks got from the Pacers for the 2020 draft and one of their own whether it’s a 2021 or 2022 first round pick.

Bucks Receive:
Bradley Beal

Wizards Receive:
Eric Bledsoe
Donte DiVincenzo
Ersan Ilyasova
2 first round picks

Giannis has the ball in his hands and can be the point guard/point forward and with George Hill on the roster, we will be fine.


I would love Beal, but I have to believe they'll get 10 better offers than that. If those 1st round picks were lottery picks, sure, but they're not.


A big part of it will be cutting cap space for the Wizzards. Bled has one year guaranteed left and then they can cut him. Ersan obviously is non-guaranteed. DD is a really good young player. And then I'd guess the Bucks would have to offer up their own future 1st(I thought 2024 was the first year they could deal it) and they could make that unprotected.

Also, we're looking at Bled as the playoff failure, but he's a really good player in the regular season. And honestly, he'd be a really nice player IF we already had a player like Beal. But either way, he does have some credit. With so many teams trying to ensure they don't add cap space in the event that Giannis does walk...it becomes a little more feasible.

Though it's more likely the Bucks will target a Reddick type player. Either way, if the Bucks are going to make a big upgrade, it'll cost DiVincenzo and at least the Indy 1st along with Bled.


I'm also hoping that due to Covid related issues and...again, the fact that teams like the Mavs, Lakers, Warriors and others aren't likely to go out and sign a guy to a multi-year deal, that MLE we've got available might net us a better player than it would have in the past. I'd think players who'd normally be looking at ~15 million or so, may be willing to take the 4/40 the Bucks can offer with opt outs in there.


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Posted: September 12, 2020, 7:32 PM Post
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balsamlaker said:
I understand that Chris Paul has been a great player in the league, but is 36 and 37 y/o Chris Paul really that much of an improvement over Bledsoe, Hill, at least one of the rare remaining first rounders, $15+ million dollars, plus more? That is likely what it would cost the Bucks.



Yes.


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Posted: September 12, 2020, 7:44 PM Post
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FVBrewerFan said:
Yes, but that's ignoring the fact there's a bunch of other teams who can put together a much better package. Better players, and more importantly better draft picks. If you're Washington, you want Bledsoe and some nebulous 1st round picks down the road that will likely never be lottery picks?



What teams do you think are going to pursue Bradley Beal who'd be owed 2 years and ~83 million dollars?

That team would be taking themselves out of the chase for Giannis.

What would really scare me about this deal would be if the Bucks were desperate enough to do what Nate suggested and what the Clippers did with the Thunder in giving them the option to swap in the future.

And you'd be losing your only promising young player in DD(Who'd be a pretty significant addition for Washington and who you're undervaluding quite a bit).

All this just brings back how disappointing it is that Bledsoe can't figure it out. He's so talented and he's capable of being the player we need. He just locks up in the playoffs offensively. Really would like to see what Billy Donovan could do with him...or a better coach who could use his talented a big better...but that doesn't look to be an option.


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Posted: September 14, 2020, 1:11 PM Post
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A little more clarity on the meeting with Giannis and Horst the other day.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/298 ... -build-him


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Posted: September 14, 2020, 2:39 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
A little more clarity on the meeting with Giannis and Horst the other day.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/298 ... -build-him



A pessimist would ask why the hell didn't they do that last year. At least it'd give you a ~21 million dollar contract to trade.

But I like to be optimistic. Better to tell him you're willing to spend than nothing at all I guess.


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Posted: September 15, 2020, 7:57 AM Post
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HiAndTight said:
adambr2 said:
A little more clarity on the meeting with Giannis and Horst the other day.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/298 ... -build-him



A pessimist would ask why the hell didn't they do that last year. At least it'd give you a ~21 million dollar contract to trade.

But I like to be optimistic. Better to tell him you're willing to spend than nothing at all I guess.


I think after being two games away from the finals the previous year, the idea was they would take that experience and build on it.

Before the bubble, this was almost a 70 win team. we can analyze and discuss all we want what happened in the bubble to the bucks. The layoff hurt their timing more than other teams. They had their minds on other things. Bud isn't a good playoff coach. It can be any or all of those things, but at the end of the day they put together a 70 win team. Whatever else they didn't do they had the talent to win. It fell apart in the end and it sucks. Hearing that they're going to go out and rebuild it and make it better is encouraging. There's no way bud can't hear the criticism of being a poor playoff coach. I hope he hears that and takes it to heart and looks in a mirror and tries to dig deep and see what he can do to be better. I don't think for a second the talent was the problem, I think Bud needs to adjust his strategies once we are playing a best of seven instead of a best of 82.


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Posted: September 15, 2020, 6:24 PM Post
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I think after being two games away from the finals the previous year, the idea was they would take that experience and build on it.

Before the bubble, this was almost a 70 win team. we can analyze and discuss all we want what happened in the bubble to the bucks. The layoff hurt their timing more than other teams. They had their minds on other things. Bud isn't a good playoff coach. It can be any or all of those things, but at the end of the day they put together a 70 win team. Whatever else they didn't do they had the talent to win. It fell apart in the end and it sucks. Hearing that they're going to go out and rebuild it and make it better is encouraging. There's no way bud can't hear the criticism of being a poor playoff coach. I hope he hears that and takes it to heart and looks in a mirror and tries to dig deep and see what he can do to be better. I don't think for a second the talent was the problem, I think Bud needs to adjust his strategies once we are playing a best of seven instead of a best of 82.


Yeah, but again, to play devils advocate, they were two games away in large part because they had Brogdon. And they were two games away from having to play the Warriors who were FAR-FAR more talented than the Brewers.

I don't agree the layoff hurt their timing more than other teams. They don't rely on timing. They rely on one guy who's not a great ball handler or shooter(though great at pretty much everything else) to try and drive and then kick it out. But they're not a team that has a lot of ball movement. They're pretty much exclusively drive and kick.

I would agree that the Bucks have the talent...for the most part. They're clearly lacking a more explosive ball handler who can shoot. Even at his best, that's not Bledsoe(he can't shoot). It's also not Middleton who brings back images of Big Dog when he dribbles in traffic.
And I don't think Bud's gonna change. I don't think it's a lack of effort on his part or that his message doesn't get through, he's just got a system. One that I don't think will work in the playoffs. Like a Mike D'Antoni.

I don't even think it was a big mistake to let Brogdon go necessarily. He had a pretty average season. But they let him go because they didn't want to pay him...and right now that contract would come in real handy. This just doesn't mean much to me. You're pretty much telling Giannis the obvious. We're willing to spend money to keep you, a once in a generation type talent. And for the Bucks that generation is like a generation in John Tyler's family.


Again though, better they say it than not, and this might be the best possible off-season for the Bucks to add a good player with their limited assets.


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Posted: September 16, 2020, 4:08 AM Post
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Clippers. Just wow. Worse to be them or us?

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"Cubs lead to Cardinals. Cardinals lead to dislike. Dislike leads to hate. Hate leads to constipation."


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Posted: September 16, 2020, 5:41 AM Post
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I think going up 3-1 and losing in 7 games is better than getting throttled narrowly avoiding a sweep at the hands of the #5 seed when you are the best team in basketball. Considering the Bucks also choked as the #1 seed last year and are trying to get one of the best young players in the game to sign an extension...yikes.

The 2010-2011 Bulls lost in the first round, as did the 06-07 Mavs. Those are the only showings worse than the Bucks this century for a #1 seed.


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Posted: September 16, 2020, 7:24 AM Post
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Ours is probably worse, but I mentioned during the Orlando series that I thought the bubble would be a great equalizer. The high seeds that would have had serious home court advantages really got stung by it. This is more like a game at the local park. Fans matter in the NBA. The energy they bring contributes to a lot of 16-3 runs. I think the league has done a great job in the circumstances but this is still weird. It's not the same. Without the wild card you just have a bunch of world class players going head to head. Over the years a lot of NBA players have said things about fans not realizing how intense and competitive practice can be. I think we're sort of getting to see what that's like now.


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Posted: September 16, 2020, 7:26 AM Post
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Big Dog didn't age well and played poorly on defense, but he'd improve this team. In fact, I think he defense would be much better on this team than back in the day of isolation-offense.


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Posted: September 16, 2020, 11:05 AM Post
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Clippers. Just wow. Worse to be them or us?


I think the Clippers. They had the best 'odds' at winning and have 2 clear superstar players and were up 3-1. Just my opinion though.


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Posted: September 16, 2020, 11:15 AM Post
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I am going to go with the Clippers also. The Bucks never really looked like they were going to win the series against Miami. The Clippers on the other hand just look like they had the series in hand and put it on cruise control and lost.


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