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Posted: May 07, 2020, 1:52 AM Post
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homer said:
Saw an interesting stat today: AJ Dillon ran into a stacked box 44% of the time. Jonathan Taylor? 20%

From this article:
https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com/202 ... 020-draft/



Wow....that is really shocking. It seemed like JT was running into 8 man boxes all the time...and you're telling me Dillion ran into twice as many of them?


Doesn't mean Dillon's gonna be Henry, but as always, until these guys get a couple years in the NFL, I'm looking at the draft with an optimistic outlook. Doesn't have to be Henry, but if he can be a big bruiser who can get you 750 yards and help Jones stay healthy..great.

Jamal Williams is just a guy in my opinion.

I'd would have been nice if we could have gotten a WR'er, but two guys seemed to go JUST ahead of us in both the 2nd and the 3rd rounds....so...what can you do.


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Posted: May 07, 2020, 1:56 AM Post
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trwi7 said:
I think the Dillon pick says a lot more of what they think about Jamaal Williams than it does about Aaron Jones' contract status.



Agreed. I'd imagine Jones role will change very little this year. Last year however Jamal Williams came in for full drives in relief of Jones.


And again...they're trying to become a run heavy team. They're running the same(or similar) offense that the Falcons ran when they blew the SB lead, the Rams are running and the 49'ers are running.

So you're always going to need a guy who can run that outside stretch and catch the ball out of the backfield. If you lose Jones, you'll still need to replace him. Dillon's merely a supplement.


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Posted: May 20, 2020, 7:49 PM Post
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Rewatching the UW-Minnesota game from last year and Kamal Martin came out of the game early with a knee injury. They said that he had been battling a knee injury the last several weeks, and that might have affected some of the tape on him last year.


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Here is a neat article from CBS Sports that lists the best player drafted in every draft slot 1-256. The Packers are disproportionately represented, which speaks to the drafting prowess of Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson. The author went with Ed Reed at #24 instead of Aaron Rodgers. Perhaps he felt the need to be contrarian? Good offseason fodder, nonetheless.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/new ... anning-to/


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Posted: October 11, 2020, 3:22 PM Post
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brewcrewdue80 said:
I dig the idea on 1&2 for both Colts 2s. Simply because the WR I'm enamored with[Chase Claypool) seems destined for selections around there. I envision he being the kind of Gronk, Kelce, Gonzalez, and going back Eric Moulds defensive, mismatch gamewreckers.

The only tidbit is I see more and more where Love is selected before GBs pick. I dont know if that's to mock players who shouldnt be there for the team the writer supports and lo and behold hes there!. Tristen Wirfs regarded as best OL in draft by most lasted to 10 or 11 in a mock or 2.

I wonder how quickly or slowly the draft runs when they do it.


4TDs today ho hum game 5 of career. Has Love even been active for a game?

Patrick Queen with a sack/strip fumble and recovery today.


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Posted: October 11, 2020, 5:43 PM Post
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Has Love even been active for a game?


Has he needed to be?


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Posted: October 11, 2020, 6:57 PM Post
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Patrick Queen was the player I wanted when the Packers traded up, but there’s no point in criticizing BG now. His future is tied to Love.


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Posted: October 11, 2020, 7:11 PM Post
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nodakfan17 said:
Patrick Queen was the player I wanted when the Packers traded up, but there’s no point in criticizing BG now. His future is tied to Love.



Yeah, I thought that as well, but I'm not so sure any longer. He IS the GM that hired Matt LaFleur...and if Love doesn't pan out but the Packers are competing for SB's the next several years, I don't think people are going to care.

But really...I wish people would stop with the "Love hasn't even been active." This was never a secret. He was never expected to contribute in year one or even year 3 by most people.


As for who I was hoping for...I was kinda hoping we'd take Love, but I knew what a issue that'd create(yet it was even worse), but I'd seen Ruggs going in the 20's in multiple mocks and liked him obviously and Shenault Jr. I also really liked that Raekwon Davis as a 2nd rounder, but he was gone anyway.


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I think it's ok to be impressed with the job the Packers have done putting together a competitive 2020 team, while simultaneously noting that the 2020 draft class hasn't improved the 2020 team in any way.

I am excited about the 2020 team, and they've certainly changed my mind since the pre-season.

I thought our 2020 draft was quite awful, and nothing has happened since then to change my mind on that.


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Posted: October 11, 2020, 7:23 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
I think it's ok to be impressed with the job the Packers have done putting together a competitive 2020 team, while simultaneously noting that the 2020 draft class hasn't improved the 2020 team in any way.

I am excited about the 2020 team, and they've certainly changed my mind since the pre-season.

I thought our 2020 draft was quite awful, and nothing has happened since then to change my mind on that.



What COULD have happened to change your mind though?

Is there anything that can until we see what Love does as a starter?

Also...people should probably keep in mind how people went nuts when we acquired Rodgers and Favre.

Favre, the 33rd pick in the previous draft was traded for the 19th pick(despite being the 3rd string QB and throwing 2 picks in 4 passes). People were calling for Wolfs head right out of the gate.

And then Favre, a year younger than Rodgers and the most durable at the position in NFL history is drafted after a year the Packers went 10-6 and didn't have a lot of weapons. And contrary to the narrative, he was not threatening retirement at that time. That came primarily over the next three years.


So if you were upset about it...you're gonna be upset about it until we see Love play like with Favre and Rodgers before him.


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Posted: October 11, 2020, 7:53 PM Post
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HiAndTight said:
adambr2 said:
I think it's ok to be impressed with the job the Packers have done putting together a competitive 2020 team, while simultaneously noting that the 2020 draft class hasn't improved the 2020 team in any way.

I am excited about the 2020 team, and they've certainly changed my mind since the pre-season.

I thought our 2020 draft was quite awful, and nothing has happened since then to change my mind on that.



What COULD have happened to change your mind though?

Is there anything that can until we see what Love does as a starter?

Also...people should probably keep in mind how people went nuts when we acquired Rodgers and Favre.

Favre, the 33rd pick in the previous draft was traded for the 19th pick(despite being the 3rd string QB and throwing 2 picks in 4 passes). People were calling for Wolfs head right out of the gate.

And then Favre, a year younger than Rodgers and the most durable at the position in NFL history is drafted after a year the Packers went 10-6 and didn't have a lot of weapons. And contrary to the narrative, he was not threatening retirement at that time. That came primarily over the next three years.


So if you were upset about it...you're gonna be upset about it until we see Love play like with Favre and Rodgers before him.


I liked the Rodgers pick. I'm sure not everyone was in the same boat, but he was such a great value at 24. That was a damned if you do, damned if you don't choice for TT.

Love was a little different. It felt forced. He's far less of a certain prospect than Rodgers (not that Rodgers was a total slam dunk) There were other options. We'll see.

As far as what COULD have happened to change my mind, I thought Dillon would have a lot more than a nonexistent role in the offense. I don't see any real signs that he's got the future that people want to believe. Even next year, if Jones is re-signed, Dillon doesn't do more than take over the Jamaal Williams role. It's disappointing that they don't even consider him a short yardage option this year.

DeGuara is who he is. An H-back and special teamer, when he can make it on the field. He'll make some future rosters, but that's not a huge return on a 3rd round pick. There's just not a ton of upside there to dream on.

But yes, like 2005, the only thing people will remember about the '20 draft will be whatever happens with Love. I think Favre and Rodgers have given people unrealistic expectations for Love, though.


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Posted: October 11, 2020, 8:07 PM Post
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adambr2 said:

I liked the Rodgers pick. I'm sure not everyone was in the same boat, but he was such a great value at 24. That was a damned if you do, damned if you don't choice for TT.

DeGuara is who he is. An H-back and special teamer, when he can make it on the field. He'll make some future rosters, but that's not a huge return on a 3rd round pick. There's just not a ton of upside there to dream on.



Yeah, I can't find ANYONE who doesn't say they were a fan of the Rodgers pick NOW or the Favre trade back when it happened...but that doesn't change that we got D's and F's for our grades in the 2005 draft and the headlines when we traded for Favre were blistering. I believe you were a fan of it, but VERY few were.

I think people also understated the huge questions about Rodgers. His arm strength, he was a "system" QB, a Tedford QB. It was thought to be an extremely weak draft class.

As for Dillon...he's a rookie behind two established players who are rookies after this year. No live action...so I can't really see why after 4 games you don't see the same future for him.

And again...you're saying we didn't get much of a return from our 3rd round pick...a guy who was starting and playing well before he got injured in his rookie season.



This feels like confirmation bias to me. No pre-season...not surprising that our rookies wouldn't be having a huge impact. And the two guys who were given a chance, Degura and Martin suffered injuries.


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Posted: October 12, 2020, 3:40 AM Post
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The biggest differences between drafting Rodgers at #24 in 2005 and Love at #26 in 2020:

1) Favre had contemplated retirement as early as 2002 when he told Peter King that he would prefer to be on his tractor back home in Mississippi. Aaron Rodgers has repeatedly said he wants to play until he’s 40.

2) Rodgers was the second QB drafted in his class and could have gone #1 overall. Love was the fourth QB drafted in his class and no one considered him a potential #1 pick.

3) Rodgers literally fell to the Packers at #24. He was projected to be picked much higher. The Packers traded up to #26 to get Love and then the GM tried to gaslight fans by saying Love fell to them.

I didn’t like the Love pick at the time, but it may have been the right pick. Time will tell. However, it’s not fair to compare the two situations. Fans have a right to be puzzled by the move. But this team is also 17-3 in their last 20 games, so those same fans should also be paitent.


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Posted: October 12, 2020, 6:54 AM Post
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HiAndTight said:
I think people also understated the huge questions about Rodgers. His arm strength, he was a "system" QB, a Tedford QB. It was thought to be an extremely weak draft class.


No doubt there were questions about Rodgers, by no means was he a perfect prospect. But he was also seen as a consensus top 2 pick just weeks before the draft. So there was absolutely a vast gap in how he was seen and Love was seen as a potential franchise QB.

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As for Dillon...he's a rookie behind two established players who are rookies after this year. No live action...so I can't really see why after 4 games you don't see the same future for him.


Well, that's part of my point. We spent a 2nd round pick on a position where we have two established players. 2nd day picks at that position are almost universally early contributors at least to some degree. It's not a position that you spend an early pick on a developmental year. I think Jones is likely to be re-signed. I don't think Gute is going to let him walk. And if they were planning on it, I think Dillon would be seeing a lot more game action than he is. I thought he would at least be a threat to the playing time of Jamaal Williams, who is not a special player. I don't think it's a great sign that he has less touches than Tyler Ervin.

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And again...you're saying we didn't get much of a return from our 3rd round pick...a guy who was starting and playing well before he got injured in his rookie season.


Starting and playing well? He has 31 career snaps. This seems like a stretch. He has 17 less snaps this season than Tonyan had on opening day. Also, you know as well as I do that position matters when you're talking about a player starting and playing well. A 3rd round rookie starting at WR or CB is notable...it's common for rookies to contribute immediately at tertiary positions like H back/fullback.

I like DeGuara. I really do. I'm just talking solely about the draft, and about value. He's a guy I would have loved as a Day 3 pick. I hated the pick because I felt it was a reach in Round 3. My mind certainly isn't going to be changed now that he's going to be coming off of a significant knee injury 31 snaps into his career and competing for snaps as the 3rd TE next season. I guess my bigger point on DeGuara is that H-back/blocking TE's aren't at a premium in the NFL and there's no need to pay a premium price for one in the form of a 3rd round pick when you can just go sign a veteran like Marcades Lewis for 2 million.

Maybe it's confirmation bias, but I'm just trying to view it impartially and not forcing myself to like the pick because it's a Packer draft. There are Packer drafts that I have loved, and in the absence of certainty I usually defer to our guys (example, I wanted Courtney Upshaw, but when we took Nick Perry, I was sold on it quickly.) Sometimes I love guys that don't really pan out, Joshua Jackson for example).

This particular draft I didn't like at all, and I understand that there have been drafts in the past that have been widely panned and turned out well, and I fully acknowledge that IF DeGuara turns out to be a franchise type QB (here), obviously that will change the entire complexion of this draft.


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Posted: October 12, 2020, 6:57 AM Post
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3) Rodgers literally fell to the Packers at #24. He was projected to be picked much higher. The Packers traded up to #26 to get Love and then the GM tried to gaslight fans by saying Love fell to them.


That's a bogus argument. We have absolutely no idea where Love sat on the the Packers' draft value board. That's the only board that counts ... not anything guys like Todd McShay or Mel Kiper put out. If the Packers had Love as a Top 10 talent, and then got him at #26, then he fell to them. It's obvious that the Packers really liked him coming into the draft, and IMO insinuating that Gute is lying to the fanbase about Love's value is flat out wrong.

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Posted: October 12, 2020, 6:58 AM Post
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I'm really confused as to what the purpose was for bumping this thread, and the ensuing discussion. The Packers clearly drafted with the future in mind, and a guy like Queen would look great in green and gold, but having/not having him hasn't negatively effected the team to this point. Trying to grade a draft after 4-5 games the next season is unproductive, especially when the 'make or break' player of the draft won't play for 2-3 years by design. If he gives them a third consecutive high-level QB, there won't be a single person who cares who was left on the board when they traded up to get him.


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Posted: October 12, 2020, 6:59 AM Post
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I'm really confused as to what the purpose was for bumping this thread, and the ensuing discussion. The Packers clearly drafted with the future in mind, and a guy like Queen would look great in green and gold, but having/not having him hasn't negatively effected the team to this point. Trying to grade a draft after 4-5 games the next season is unproductive, especially when the 'make or break' player of the draft won't play for 2-3 years by design. If he gives them a third consecutive high-level QB, there won't be a single person who cares who was left on the board when they traded up to get him.


It was bumped because the Packers are 4-0 and on their bye week, and a large contingent of this fanbase isn't happy unless they are actively complaining about something.

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Posted: October 12, 2020, 7:13 AM Post
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nodakfan17 said:
3) Rodgers literally fell to the Packers at #24. He was projected to be picked much higher. The Packers traded up to #26 to get Love and then the GM tried to gaslight fans by saying Love fell to them.


That's a bogus argument. We have absolutely no idea where Love sat on the the Packers' draft value board. That's the only board that counts ... not anything guys like Todd McShay or Mel Kiper put out. If the Packers had Love as a Top 10 talent, and then got him at #26, then he fell to them. It's obvious that the Packers really liked him coming into the draft, and IMO insinuating that Gute is lying to the fanbase about Love's value is flat out wrong.


I think you’ll find my comments regarding Love on this board have been very measured. I was attempting to explain why fans have reacted differently to drafting Rodgers vs. Love. You can’t deny that Rodgers falling to #24 felt like a gift, whereas trading up for Love at #26 felt more like a reach. I’m a big BPA guy. If BG felt Love was a screaming value, then I’m glad he drafted him. Love’s talent was not obvious to me, but that’s irrelevant.


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Posted: October 12, 2020, 7:21 AM Post
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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
nodakfan17 said:
3) Rodgers literally fell to the Packers at #24. He was projected to be picked much higher. The Packers traded up to #26 to get Love and then the GM tried to gaslight fans by saying Love fell to them.


That's a bogus argument. We have absolutely no idea where Love sat on the the Packers' draft value board. That's the only board that counts ... not anything guys like Todd McShay or Mel Kiper put out. If the Packers had Love as a Top 10 talent, and then got him at #26, then he fell to them. It's obvious that the Packers really liked him coming into the draft, and IMO insinuating that Gute is lying to the fanbase about Love's value is flat out wrong.


I think you’ll find my comments regarding Love on this board have been very measured. I was attempting to explain why fans have reacted differently to drafting Rodgers vs. Love. You can’t deny that Rodgers falling to #24 felt like a gift, whereas trading up for Love at #26 felt more like a reach. I’m a big BPA guy. If BG felt Love was a screaming value, then I’m glad he drafted him. Love’s talent was not obvious to me, but that’s irrelevant.


I think when it comes to the Packers and their recent drafting tendencies, the best course of action is to take draft values and mock drafts and throw them out the window. The Packers have proven that they are going to do what they are going to do, and aren't beholden to any draft value gurus or to what any portion of the fanbase wants them to do. I really dig that about Gute. His goal is to build the best team, and set the team up for future success, not to make the fanbase happy.

For instance, watching that Seahawks/Vikings game last night, you can see that, even though he didn't get a ton of targets, Justin Jefferson is a dynamic talent. But at the same time, the Vikings are 1-4 because their secondary is a train wreck and their offensive line is below average pass blocking wise. But at least they have a shiny, new WR to help them go 6-10 this year.

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I think the 2020 draft was a bit frustrating because we all wanted someone to impact right away. But I think it is clear they got a LOT of value for the future. Even if Love is a clipboard holding QB for the next 2 years, how many times has the lack of a backup QB burned us? Not to mention that while Rodgers said he wants to play into his 40s, that doesn't mean his body will agree. I'm sure Dak thought he'd be playing next week. Even if drafting Love simply churned Rodger's competitive fires, it was worth the pick.

Also, while we do have holes (WR and DL most notably), many of our rookies are sitting because we did have depth - legit depth - that they couldn't overcome. Dillon needed a good pre-season to show he could handle the blitz pickup as well as Williams. I think he has shown himself (in a very small sample) to be the better runner, but if he hasn't proven himself to protect Rodgers, he won't get much time behind both Jones and Williams. But I doubt that both of them will stay healthy the whole year (hopefully nothing serious), so I'm sure Dillon will get more looks in future games.

I'm not sure what to make about Deguara. I hated the pick at the time, but he is growing on me. Unfortunately, he only really played one game, but it is obvious that the team likes him. He was everywhere in that first game; making a lot of key blocks. Unfortunately, we won't get to see more until next year...and probably off the PUP even then.

If Martin can stay healthy, I think he will be the steal of our draft. Though Barnes might take that also. I still don't understand how we got Runyan in the 6th round, either. He is another guy that could've moved up the depth chain with a strong pre-season. I would also expect to see him again this year.

Just in general, we are seeing our second and third year players really step up this year. The draft players are generally being relegated to depth. That doesn't mean the draft was bad...just that we were more focused on building for the future than this year; frustrating as that may be now.


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