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Posted: April 25, 2020, 7:41 AM Post
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I also wonder if they'll use more tandem backfields, with Dillon as the 'RB' and Jones being used as a quasi-receiver. That actually makes a lot of sense, and could create some matchup nightmares for defenses.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 7:46 AM Post
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I also wonder if they'll use more tandem backfields, with Dillon as the 'RB' and Jones being used as a quasi-receiver. That actually makes a lot of sense, and could create some matchup nightmares for defenses.


Yep - A 2WR/TE formation with Rodgers in the shotgun, motioning Jones out to the slot and then still having a sledgehammer with speed in the backfield as a running threat with 6 blockers in front of him would be fun to see.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 7:47 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
I also wonder if they'll use more tandem backfields, with Dillon as the 'RB' and Jones being used as a quasi-receiver. That actually makes a lot of sense, and could create some matchup nightmares for defenses.


Lafleur has said on multiple occasions this offseason that he wanted another RB. If this draft has proven anything so far, it's that Lafleur is done with trying to incorporate McCarthy's fingerprints into his offense. He's remaking it entirely in the image he wants. He wants size and power and wants to run it down teams' throats. I think this is his way of telling Rodgers "Get with the program, or you can be replaced."

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Posted: April 25, 2020, 7:48 AM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
PeaveyFury said:
I also wonder if they'll use more tandem backfields, with Dillon as the 'RB' and Jones being used as a quasi-receiver. That actually makes a lot of sense, and could create some matchup nightmares for defenses.


Yep - A 2WR/TE formation with Rodgers in the shotgun, motioning Jones out to the slot and then still having a sledgehammer with speed in the backfield as a running threat with 6 blockers in front of him would be fun to see.


Very much the way the Titans employed Derrick Henry and Dion Lewis in the same backfield often in 2018.

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Posted: April 25, 2020, 7:50 AM Post
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RB:
1. Jones
2. Dillon
3. Williams

H-Back:
1. Deguara

WR:
1. Adams
2. Funches
3. Lazard
4. Kumerow/MVS/St. Brown
5. Day 3 Draft Pick *maybe

TE:
1. Sternberger
2. Lewis
3. Tonyan

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Posted: April 25, 2020, 7:51 AM Post
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There's nothing in the rules of being a fan that says you have to convince yourself and others that every pick was a good one. If you need proof that some of them actually are as bad as what people thought they were when the name was called, you need look no further back than the 2018 group. Some massive wasting of draft capital there. The shine wore off those guys real quick. I can still hear the people talking themselves into those guys.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 7:56 AM Post
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There's nothing in the rules of being a fan that says you have to convince yourself and others that every pick was a good one. If you need proof that some of them actually are as bad as what people thought they were when the name was called, you need look no further back than the 2018 group. Some massive wasting of draft capital there. The shine wore off those guys real quick. I can still hear the people talking themselves into those guys.


Who were people 'talking themselves into,' exactly? Josh Jackson, who had been mocked to teams in the mid-first (including the Packers' first round pick)? Maybe Orin Burks? After that, you have a bunch of mid to late-round picks, many of which have shown some promise in some ways, and the others are the typical fliers that sometimes work and often don't.

I don't know what the heck happened with Scott midway through last year, but they got two all-pro level players from that draft, and I'm convinced that one of Madison, MVS, or St. Brown will end up being the 3rd 'significant contributor' that you need to call a draft successful.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 7:56 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
RB:
1. Jones
2. Dillon
3. Williams

H-Back:
1. Deguara

WR:
1. Adams
2. Funches
3. Lazard
4. Kumerow/MVS/St. Brown
5. Day 3 Draft Pick *maybe

TE:
1. Sternberger
2. Lewis
3. Tonyan


I wonder if the Packers might be willing to throw a pick or a player at the Panthers for Curtis Samuel? It sure would be nice to get some of that jitterbug speed. Tyler Ervin might potentially provide some of that skillset, but he's far from proven.

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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:01 AM Post
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wildcat83 said:
I am ok with them trying to turn to a power running game as Rodgers gets older. It carried SF and TEN pretty far. However, I don’t see anything that suggests that this guy wouldn’t have been available in the 5th.

They said that Nick Collins would have been available later in the draft. After the Packers drafted him, the GM of the Ravens called TT to congratulate him because they were going to draft him two picks later. The Ravens ended up with Dan Cody, who played a total of two games in his career. I think Baltimore regrets not giving up their 5th round pick that year (Justin Green, a FB with five career carries and zero career TDs) to move ahead of the Packers.

Nobody had Josh Sitton on their board at all - he wasn't invited to the combine. In 2009 the Packers drafted a LB with 5.5 career sacks in college with a first round pick - remember that reaction? I don't think anybody had Elgton Jenkins on their board either.

You never know what team's draft boards are, or how they are going to turn out.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:03 AM Post
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LouisEly said:
I don't think anybody had Elgton Jenkins on their board either.

You never know what team's draft boards are, or how they are going to turn out.


I recall the Jenkins pick going over very poorly here last year.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:06 AM Post
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True Blue Brew Crew said:
There's nothing in the rules of being a fan that says you have to convince yourself and others that every pick was a good one. If you need proof that some of them actually are as bad as what people thought they were when the name was called, you need look no further back than the 2018 group. Some massive wasting of draft capital there. The shine wore off those guys real quick. I can still hear the people talking themselves into those guys.


Who were people 'talking themselves into,' exactly? Josh Jackson, who had been mocked to teams in the mid-first (including the Packers' first round pick)? Maybe Orin Burks? After that, you have a bunch of mid to late-round picks, many of which have shown some promise in some ways, and the others are the typical fliers that sometimes work and often don't.

I don't know what the heck happened with Scott midway through last year, but they got two all-pro level players from that draft, and I'm convinced that one of Madison, MVS, or St. Brown will end up being the 3rd 'significant contributor' that you need to call a draft successful.


Jaire Alexander was the only great pick from that draft (so far). I don't know who the second all-pro level player that they got from that draft that you're referring to.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:08 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
Jaire Alexander was the only great pick from that draft (so far). I don't know who the second all-pro level player that they got from that draft that you're referring to.


PeaveyFury said:
I don't know what the heck happened with Scott midway through last year


Scott was 2nd team All-Pro.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:16 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
I can wrap my head around why they took Love but these last two are just baffling to me to take a complementary running back and H-back TE. It's like they are building their offense completely toward a run heavy offense in an era when passing has never been so important.

If there has been anything that I have learned watching the Badgers the last 25 years, it's that when you run the ball effectively you get three major benefits: 1) you frequently get 3rd and short (<5 yards), which is a lot easier to convert than 3rd and long; 2) you keep your defense off the field and well rested (and it's hard for the other team to score if their offense isn't on the field); and 3) the combination of those two things usually leads to close games that are winnable.

Give me Rodgers in a close game in the 4th quarter - he's won a heckuva lot of those, and there's a reason he's earned the nickname "The Boogeyman". And I have no doubt that a major part of the success of Wisconsin recently has been because their defense is well-rested. Lastly, if teams are shifting to 225lb speedy LBs, a 250lb running back suddenly becomes a big advantage.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:18 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
adambr2 said:
Jaire Alexander was the only great pick from that draft (so far). I don't know who the second all-pro level player that they got from that draft that you're referring to.


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I don't know what the heck happened with Scott midway through last year


Scott was 2nd team All-Pro.


Ok, but..it's a punter. One that was not very good in 2019.

I'm not saying Scott is a bust and won't have a bounceback 2020, but those special teams guys are graded on a little bit different scale than most contributors. To draft any of these guys on day 3...well, you're pretty much expecting to get an immediate starter and contributor.

To hang your hat on any of those guys as a great draft pick is a little bit of a reach IMO, is all I'm saying. It's like giving Ted Thompson a big win for drafting Aaron Ripkowski in the 6th round because he was a contributor for several years. It's a fullback.

To me, if you have to point to these guys to highlight a draft, it wasn't a great draft.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:23 AM Post
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Scott was 2nd team All-Pro.

Where did you see that? Last year it was Brett Kern (1st team) and Tress Way (2nd team). In 2018 it was Dickson and Hekker.

I do know that in 2018, Scott led the league in hang time and fewest % of punts returned.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:24 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
I'm not saying Scott is a bust and won't have a bounceback 2020, but those special teams guys are graded on a little bit different scale than most contributors. To draft any of these guys on day 3...well, you're pretty much expecting to get an immediate starter and contributor.

To hang your hat on any of those guys as a great draft pick is a little bit of a reach IMO, is all I'm saying. It's like giving Ted Thompson a big win for drafting Aaron Ripkowski in the 6th round because he was a contributor for several years. It's a fullback.


There's a difference between a 'contributor' like Ripkowski and an all-pro level player, regardless of position. Scott was basically the MVP of the first Bears game last year.

Regardless, the point is that I challenge the narrative of people 'convincing themselves' about the 2018 draft. Alexander wasn't on many radars, and he's been great. Everyone was excited about Jackson, because he was a percieved mid-first rounder that fell to our 2nd. The rest? Who convinced themselves anything other than the typical hopeful potential of the 3rd-day guys?

Now if he had said the 2015 or 2017 drafts? You bet. But that's again a different regime.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:25 AM Post
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LouisEly said:
PeaveyFury said:
Scott was 2nd team All-Pro.

Where did you see that? Last year it was Brett Kern (1st team) and Tress Way (2nd team). In 2018 it was Dickson and Hekker.

I do know that in 2018, Scott led the league in hang time and fewest % of punts returned.


Good call- he was PFF All-Pro, which is oddly on his profile. I didn't realize the distinction until now.

But the point remains, he's performed at an all-pro level in the past.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:33 AM Post
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To me, the biggest criticisms of this draft is that we appear to have reached for players in the 2nd and 3rd round - guys who easily could have been there later. And in doing so, we have ignored some areas of need.

But as noted, the team may very well have felt those players would be gone the next time we picked - so they pulled the trigger.

But you could argue that we are not going best available player and instead focusing heavily on guys who fit a very specific profile. But there is always a balance in the two approaches.

Still lots of holes on this team to fill. WR, OL, LB.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:43 AM Post
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Reading through some of the Twitter craziness on the web.. I see that SPARQ ratings similar to RAS is something GUT's picks are normally rated super high on.. AJ Dillion was the top RB.. Deguara was the 5th TE..

https://3sigmaathlete.com/sparq-ranking ... ning-back/

SPARQ-based similarity score applied to physical measureables of NFL draft prospects. The idea behind this is that specific athletic profiles have different rates of success. It’s one step further than SPARQ — instead of the only question being “How athletic are you?”, it asks “What kind of athletic are you?” Of course, SPARQ figures into the calculation. The full list of inputs: height, weight, arm length, forty-yard dash, ten-yard split, short shuttle, 3-cone drill, bench press, vertical jump, and broad jump.

Note that the “NFL%” and “z-score” columns refer to the NFL positional averages and not to the draft positional averages. This means that a 0.0 z-score and 50.0 percentile would represent a player who rates as a league-average NFL athlete at the position. The average NFL player is pretty athletic, so this designation is not at all a poor result.

Please note that the measureables used to calculate each player’s SPARQ can be found by scrolling to the right of the “NFL%” column. Age is calculated for each player as of September 2020.


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Posted: April 25, 2020, 8:48 AM Post
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True Blue Brew Crew said:
There's nothing in the rules of being a fan that says you have to convince yourself and others that every pick was a good one. If you need proof that some of them actually are as bad as what people thought they were when the name was called, you need look no further back than the 2018 group. Some massive wasting of draft capital there. The shine wore off those guys real quick. I can still hear the people talking themselves into those guys.


homer said:
I took a quick look at various publications to see what they thought of GB's moves/draft and it was almost universally praised:

- USA Today lists Pack as one of their "winners" of the draft

- NFL.com gives Pack an "A"

- SBnation gives Pack an "A-"

- Sporting News gives Pack an "A"
(although it should be mentioned that they thought Pack and Vikings were nuts for passing on the CB from Iowa)

- Even salty, bitter Pete Prisco gives the Pack an "A"

Lowest grade I found:
- SI gives Pack a B+

Also, it seems the Chargers pick of Derwin James was universally lauded even more than the Packers pick. My guess is the Packers had three or four guys they liked at 14 then when the Saints offered that 1st rounder they decided to make that trade and immediately started trying to get back into the mid teens.


Everyone everywhere thought the Packers had a good draft in 2018

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