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Posted: October 20, 2020, 7:36 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Cowboys players discontent with coaches after 2-4 start https://www.nfl.com/news/cowboys-player ... -2-4-start

Not sure his players think he's a great coach.



Rodgers actually stuck up for him pretty strongly today on McAfee's show. Calling it cowardly and ridiculous to call him out after 6 weeks.

I wonder if THAT will make news? That the guy Rodgers "ran off" is the guy who he's defending now?


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Posted: October 21, 2020, 4:27 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
Cowboys players discontent with coaches after 2-4 start https://www.nfl.com/news/cowboys-player ... -2-4-start

Not sure his players think he's a great coach.



Rodgers actually stuck up for him pretty strongly today on McAfee's show. Calling it cowardly and ridiculous to call him out after 6 weeks.

I wonder if THAT will make news? That the guy Rodgers "ran off" is the guy who he's defending now?


Yeah, I agree with Rodgers there. Dallas was pretty mediocre for their talent level under Garrett too, so perhaps it's time the players there look in the mirror a little bit at the problem.

I'm not a big fan of the concept of "Packer people", but Dallas is notorious for not giving two rips about character. They'll hire every troubled thug they can get their hands on (see Aldon Smith, Randy Gregory, etc). Jerry couldn't care less about your off the field issues as long as you have talent.

So I really don't think it's a coincidence that their team chemistry and locker room always sucks.


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Posted: October 21, 2020, 7:15 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
HiAndTight said:
adambr2 said:
Cowboys players discontent with coaches after 2-4 start https://www.nfl.com/news/cowboys-player ... -2-4-start

Not sure his players think he's a great coach.



Rodgers actually stuck up for him pretty strongly today on McAfee's show. Calling it cowardly and ridiculous to call him out after 6 weeks.

I wonder if THAT will make news? That the guy Rodgers "ran off" is the guy who he's defending now?


Yeah, I agree with Rodgers there. Dallas was pretty mediocre for their talent level under Garrett too, so perhaps it's time the players there look in the mirror a little bit at the problem.

I'm not a big fan of the concept of "Packer people", but Dallas is notorious for not giving two rips about character. They'll hire every troubled thug they can get their hands on (see Aldon Smith, Randy Gregory, etc). Jerry couldn't care less about your off the field issues as long as you have talent.

So I really don't think it's a coincidence that their team chemistry and locker room always sucks.



Dallas is kinda built like how most fans would build a team. Flashy WR'ers, big names on Defense who are terrible(relative to their pay) and now Dak's out as are almost all of their starters on the OL.

And yeah, they will bring in Pablo Escobar or El Chapo if they think they'll get a few sacks. La'el Collins was wrongly implicated in a double homicide and went from a early 1st round pick to an UDFA and of course he ended up in Dallas with an unprecedented deal for an UDFA. They happened to be right in that case, but I wonder how much they actually vetted him.
I am glad I don't hear the whole "Packer people" nonsense as much anymore since it never really made a ton of sense, but there definitely needs to be a balance. You can give some guys a second chance. Aldon Smith may be worth one for instance. And you can't have 54 choir boys...

Anyway, The Pat McAfee show has given me more insight into how the Packers do things than anything over the past 20 or so years. The way Pat's shocked at how dull the Packers really are(no Alcohol on planes, no tramadol before games...which might contribute to Packers players missing more games due to injury)...and just Rodgers and the way he opens up.

It's a pretty cool segment every Tues and it's as unbuttoned as I'm guessing anyone who doesn't know Rodgers will see him.


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Posted: October 21, 2020, 7:45 AM Post
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It is a bit of revisionist history to say "Packer People" means we never gave someone a second chance or that the team was filled with choir boys. I think the bar was a bit lower than that. Normally that just meant that we were avoiding someone that had a history of being a poor teammate or hard to coach. Or someone that had continuous off the field issues. Someone that did something and was trying to make amends wasn't normally the problem (Jolly has three chances?).

That and trying to avoid further Lofton/Chmura type scandals.


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The Packers signed a guy that punched his kid's mom in the face. They knew this when they signed him. Packer People meant what it always has. If you're a borderline player your off-field issues matter. If you clearly belong on an NFL roster, then they don't care.


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Posted: October 21, 2020, 10:47 AM Post
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The Packers signed a guy that punched his kid's mom in the face. They knew this when they signed him. Packer People meant what it always has. If you're a borderline player your off-field issues matter. If you clearly belong on an NFL roster, then they don't care.


As horrible as an act as this is ...does this particular individual deserve no shot at redemption for his entire life? (and I'm speaking hypothetically as I don't know who you're talking about).

What if the person accepts their punishment, is truly remorseful and agrees to anger management and any other counseling deemed necessary, and more importantly, shows with their follow up actions that they are genuine in these feelings? Would that make a difference?

My point is not to excuse such behavior, but to state that there is a difference between giving a guy a chance who did something terrible, and giving a guy a chance who is just a dirt bag. I couldn't differentiate as I don't know these guys personally, but I would imagine that most teams would do their due diligence on it. I'm not sure the Cowboys really care either way, that was the larger point.

Again, I don't like the Packer People term myself, we're certainly not holier than thou on who we bring in, but I do think certain organizations put different weights on character.


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Posted: October 21, 2020, 2:14 PM Post
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Maybe the players are still fuzzy on pad level. Coach 'em up, Mike.

"You're not going to have him when you want him and you're going to run out of games. He can't pitch 90 games. It's just not going to work. If anyone thinks it's going to work, show me how."- Craig Counsell on Josh Hader.


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Posted: October 21, 2020, 7:24 PM Post
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It is a bit of revisionist history to say "Packer People" means we never gave someone a second chance or that the team was filled with choir boys. I think the bar was a bit lower than that. Normally that just meant that we were avoiding someone that had a history of being a poor teammate or hard to coach. Or someone that had continuous off the field issues. Someone that did something and was trying to make amends wasn't normally the problem (Jolly has three chances?).

That and trying to avoid further Lofton/Chmura type scandals.



The point is, it didn't really mean anything. We had guys who got arrested, we had guys who got suspended, we had guys who did stupid things...so claiming we had some moral high ground was always just annoying to me.(And the justification for fans when Thompson didn't sign guys).

If you really did have a standard, you don't ever bring in Colt Lyerla...but he was an extraordinarily talented TE out of Oregon.

I think the Packers did the same math MOST other teams did. Is he good enough to overlook the bad stuff? That was pretty much it.


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I forgot all about Colt Lyerla. What a sad waste of a great talent. He's in prison, unsurprisingly. Hope he can turn it around before he winds up either there for life or dead.


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Posted: October 22, 2020, 7:39 AM Post
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The point is, it didn't really mean anything. We had guys who got arrested, we had guys who got suspended, we had guys who did stupid things...so claiming we had some moral high ground was always just annoying to me.(And the justification for fans when Thompson didn't sign guys).

If you really did have a standard, you don't ever bring in Colt Lyerla...but he was an extraordinarily talented TE out of Oregon.

I think the Packers did the same math MOST other teams did. Is he good enough to overlook the bad stuff? That was pretty much it.


Like I said, I think you are still thinking of "Packer People" as too high of a standard. The team wasn't filled with choir boys - yes they had guys make mistakes and they gave guys second chances. Packer People just meant that we cared about how people were on and off the field - pretty much the opposite of the Raiders of the 70s. People that had long histories of issues were avoided, but it wasn't as if they expected the players to never have gotten in trouble either.

Much was made of this when they brought Colt in, too. They were clear this was his chance and he had a very short rope. I don't recall him ever taking the field in preseason. Sad case for the guy.

FYI, TT's justification for not signing FAs was that they weren't rookie free agents - the only kind he ever signed.


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The Vikings traded Yannick Ngakoue to the Ravens for a 3rd round pick after having given Jacksonville a 2nd rounder for him a few weeks ago.


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HiAndTight said:
The point is, it didn't really mean anything. We had guys who got arrested, we had guys who got suspended, we had guys who did stupid things...so claiming we had some moral high ground was always just annoying to me.(And the justification for fans when Thompson didn't sign guys).

If you really did have a standard, you don't ever bring in Colt Lyerla...but he was an extraordinarily talented TE out of Oregon.

I think the Packers did the same math MOST other teams did. Is he good enough to overlook the bad stuff? That was pretty much it.


Like I said, I think you are still thinking of "Packer People" as too high of a standard. The team wasn't filled with choir boys - yes they had guys make mistakes and they gave guys second chances. Packer People just meant that we cared about how people were on and off the field - pretty much the opposite of the Raiders of the 70s. People that had long histories of issues were avoided, but it wasn't as if they expected the players to never have gotten in trouble either.

Much was made of this when they brought Colt in, too. They were clear this was his chance and he had a very short rope. I don't recall him ever taking the field in preseason. Sad case for the guy.

FYI, TT's justification for not signing FAs was that they weren't rookie free agents - the only kind he ever signed.


I had never heard of this guy before seeing his name here. According to Wikipedia he tore his ACL warming up before Family Night and was released shortly after. Never saw game action of any kind.


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When he signed as an UDFA, it made some waves because he had such a troubled past (though I honestly don't remember what problems he was in). He was pretty talented, but went undrafted.


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Posted: October 23, 2020, 12:10 AM Post
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CheezWizHed said:
HiAndTight said:
The point is, it didn't really mean anything. We had guys who got arrested, we had guys who got suspended, we had guys who did stupid things...so claiming we had some moral high ground was always just annoying to me.(And the justification for fans when Thompson didn't sign guys).

If you really did have a standard, you don't ever bring in Colt Lyerla...but he was an extraordinarily talented TE out of Oregon.

I think the Packers did the same math MOST other teams did. Is he good enough to overlook the bad stuff? That was pretty much it.


Like I said, I think you are still thinking of "Packer People" as too high of a standard. The team wasn't filled with choir boys - yes they had guys make mistakes and they gave guys second chances. Packer People just meant that we cared about how people were on and off the field - pretty much the opposite of the Raiders of the 70s. People that had long histories of issues were avoided, but it wasn't as if they expected the players to never have gotten in trouble either.

Much was made of this when they brought Colt in, too. They were clear this was his chance and he had a very short rope. I don't recall him ever taking the field in preseason. Sad case for the guy.

FYI, TT's justification for not signing FAs was that they weren't rookie free agents - the only kind he ever signed.


I had never heard of this guy before seeing his name here. According to Wikipedia he tore his ACL warming up before Family Night and was released shortly after. Never saw game action of any kind.



He was a guy who had 1st round potential playing for Oregon...but had a coke problem, was suspended from the team for I believe hitting his Girlfriend, then came back and was later kicked off the team. Then arrested for having cocaine and running from the Police. Pled guilty, spent like 10 days in jail. A few other scrapes before the draft. Then was signed as an UDFA and apparently only GB and a couple of other teams would even consider signing him.

He's since served time in prison for similar but more severe crimes.


But he was a stud. I think Rodges was comparing him to Gronk during training camp.


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Posted: October 23, 2020, 12:19 AM Post
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HiAndTight said:
The point is, it didn't really mean anything. We had guys who got arrested, we had guys who got suspended, we had guys who did stupid things...so claiming we had some moral high ground was always just annoying to me.(And the justification for fans when Thompson didn't sign guys).

If you really did have a standard, you don't ever bring in Colt Lyerla...but he was an extraordinarily talented TE out of Oregon.

I think the Packers did the same math MOST other teams did. Is he good enough to overlook the bad stuff? That was pretty much it.


Like I said, I think you are still thinking of "Packer People" as too high of a standard. The team wasn't filled with choir boys - yes they had guys make mistakes and they gave guys second chances. Packer People just meant that we cared about how people were on and off the field - pretty much the opposite of the Raiders of the 70s. People that had long histories of issues were avoided, but it wasn't as if they expected the players to never have gotten in trouble either.

Much was made of this when they brought Colt in, too. They were clear this was his chance and he had a very short rope. I don't recall him ever taking the field in preseason. Sad case for the guy.

FYI, TT's justification for not signing FAs was that they weren't rookie free agents - the only kind he ever signed.


Yeah, but what team DOESN'T care about how people are on and off the field? They all do. And I'm speaking more about how some of the fans would talk about different players and use the "Packer People" term rather than the organization. It was a little too righteous at times for my liking.

And of course, they said Colt had a short rope. Few players have come out of College in recent years with as much baggage as him. And they even talked about bringing him back once his ACL healed, but he ended up getting arrested. Which is fine...like I said, I don't want them with these unrealistic standards or being too unforgiving to kids who've had trouble. I was really pulling for him....in part because he was so talented...but sadly he's had a pretty hard time since his days at Oregon.


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Yeah, but what team DOESN'T care about how people are on and off the field? They all do. And I'm speaking more about how some of the fans would talk about different players and use the "Packer People" term rather than the organization. It was a little too righteous at times for my liking.

There have been several teams that reveled in being "bad boys" and encouraged dirty play or cheap shots. Then off the field, it was just don't get caught. As I mentioned the 70's Raiders, Jerry Jones' Cowboys, the 90's Vikings (remember the Love Boat or the Urinator?)...

The whole comment came up on how the Packers did business, so I assumed you meant they were being self-righteous. Makes more sense to simply look at how the Packers acted (they did intentionally pass on a few players, but worked with others) to see what it actually means. The opinions of a couple fans that annoy you don't really amount to much.


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I find it a bit amusing that Troy Aikman and Joe Buck were assigned the Thursday Night football game that featured the 1-4-1 Eagles vs 1-5 NYG. I didn't even bother turning it on. There was a better fight on the other channels.


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They're just the default guys for Thursday.

They were pumping plenty of helium into this loser match, trying to get it to float.


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Speaking of the game last night.

https://streamable.com/nkxs04


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It will be interesting to see just how bad of a record the eventual NFC east champ has - within their division they are all about equal, meaning they will likely beat up on each other and there won't be a team that pads their record with 5 or 6 interdivision W's. Outside their division they are all equally awful and have a solid shot at losing most all of their games.

I think the Eagles have the best chance at finishing with 8ish wins even with a tie already on their record, but if they falter the division champ may wind up being a 7 or even 6 win team. Having an entire division be that pathetic in today's NFL is incredibly difficult to do. The fact all 4 teams are traditionally among the league's most popular based on organizational history and markets they play in is even more perfect.


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