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Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon

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Offline CheezWizHed Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 13, 2020, 10:00 PM Post
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HiAndTight said:
I don't know if Degura was too slow on that route. He had Kendricks beat. Rodgers just didn't put anything under it. Probably one of the only throws he'd like to have back. He's certainly not a burner or anything, but we knew that going in.


It looked like a route with two options. He held up as if he thought Rodgers was going to hit him short, but Kendrick had that covered.
Then was late getting out and around Kendrick where Rodgers lead him. Rodgers probably could've put more air under it, but with his hesitation, it looked like he misread the defense.

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Fun game to watch. Extra special for me having several friends who are rabid Viking fans.


I live and work in the Twin Cities. Work will be fun tomorrow. [wink]
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Offline HiAndTight Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 13, 2020, 10:49 PM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
A few quick thoughts:

1)Defense is always behind offense early in the season, and probably more so this year, but holy crap does that Viking unit look bad. They're going to have to score a lot of points to let their new-ish defense catch up, and I wouldn't bet on Cousins to pull that off. The number of points the Packers gave up doesn't look good on paper, but there was really no legit defensive 'scheme' for nearly the entire 4th quarter. I'm more annoyed they gave up three consecutive 2 pointers than anything.
2)Consequently, this offense looked really good today. MVS showed flashes of being a guy who can beat anyone today, he just needs to catch the ball consistently to be a massive play maker.
3)As shaky as Rodgers looked last year in a lot of the games, that looked like MVP-level Rodgers out there today. Not sure if that's more time with the scheme, better rapport with his weapons, or whatever, but holy crap was he good.
4)Alexander and King both had a hiccup late in the game, but Jaire has become one of the top-tier corners in the league. HR of a draft pick. If King can stay on the field (Big if, I know), they're a really good CB tandem.
5)Adams, just wow.


I really think there's something to Rodgers looking at how he was throwing the ball off balance last year and that might have contributed to him performing so much better. That, the fact that the Vikes weren't able to just rush since there was so much play action and so many quick hitters.

As for Defense, I'd have said offense is usually behind defense early in the season. But either way, once they get Hunter back, I don't think that's going to be a bad defense. That's two really good edge defenders, Weatherly and their DT's are good, Kendricks and Barr are good LB'ers and their safeties are just about as good as any teams. But their CB's look terrible. I still see Minnesota as a 8-10 win team.

Agree with everything else and would add Jenkins looked outstanding everywhere he played. For a guy who's played mostly center and then guard last year, I think they could get through a season with him at RT.
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Offline HiAndTight Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 13, 2020, 10:55 PM Post
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homer said:
Week one really doesn't tell you much. Particularly with no preseason. We will know what's what after they play NOLA in week 3.



If they're competitive against the Saints in NO, I'll be impressed. That team is loaded. Right up there with SF, Balt and KC. There are just no holes on paper when you look at that team.

The Packers are just not good on that DL. When Clark is there, they at least have a chance. If he's hobbled or misses time, it's just an ugly group.
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Offline HiAndTight Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 13, 2020, 11:16 PM Post
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CheezWizHed said:
HiAndTight said:
I don't know if Degura was too slow on that route. He had Kendricks beat. Rodgers just didn't put anything under it. Probably one of the only throws he'd like to have back. He's certainly not a burner or anything, but we knew that going in.


It looked like a route with two options. He held up as if he thought Rodgers was going to hit him short, but Kendrick had that covered.
Then was late getting out and around Kendrick where Rodgers lead him. Rodgers probably could've put more air under it, but with his hesitation, it looked like he misread the defense.



Could be. I thought it was just a simple wheel route, one those guys run out of that system(not that they don't run several option routes). They tried it a couple times last year with Vitale. At least he had good speed though(for a FB). But there's not much room for error there with a slower TE/FB with a small catch radius.
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Offline HiAndTight Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 13, 2020, 11:35 PM Post
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Anyone hear any updates on King or Taylor? I'm assuming Taylor's out for the season, but curious about King.

I'd REALLY like to see the Packers go out and pick up Jerrigan(who's been banged up, but played very well when healthy and is just 29).

Harrison is obviously a logical choice(and the best one IMO).

Lancaster's a lost cause at this point. I never give up on guys early, but he's just brutal to watch. We've at least seen Lowry play well for stretches. I haven't seen that from Lancaster.

And Larry Warford might be a good idea to shore up the OL. It'd allow the Packers to continue to play Jenkins at RT.

Jerrigan, Harrison should be available for ~3 million and maybe another million with incentives. A guy like Marcel Dareus should be available for less than that.

Warford would likely cost much more as it was rumored he wanted 7 million to play this year. But he's a pro-bowl caliber Guard(A former All Pro) who's still in his prime...so obviously he'd be more expensive.

This team looks MUCH better on offense and we haven't seen what Dillon can do, if St. Brown can continue, what the TE's Jace and Tonyan can do.
The Defense looks great on the edge(Gary played well today) at CB, good safeties(With room to grow). But I don't know what'll stop teams just just washing them in the running game if they don't get another difference maker AND Clark doesn't stay healthy.
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Offline PeaveyFury Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 14, 2020, 2:22 PM Post
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A few more thoughts with a little more time to review the game:

6)Who knows how the rest of the season plays out, but it was great to see Kirksey's name all over the stat sheet. He really seems to flow to the ball well.
7)Considering the negative opinions about taking a 'project' at 12 overall, it was nice to see Gary around the QB yesterday. Hopefully the next step is translating that to actual sacks.
8)Goals for a team are probably 1)Win, 2)Win while looking as 'pretty' as you can, and 3)Win while staying mostly healthy afterward. I think the Packers did a nice job on 1 & 2, but they got hit a bit with the injuries. Taylor's appears to be the one that we all assume is a long-term injury, but it'll be important to see the official injury/practice reports later this week. The good news is that the Packers managed to assemble a fairly deep and versatile group of o-linemen and should be able to weather 2-3 injuries along the line very well. It's when that creeps to 4-5 that any team's depth is challenged. Hopefully a few guys get healthy there before another goes down.
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Offline PeaveyFury Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 14, 2020, 4:51 PM Post
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Taylor officially out for the year, if there was any question left on that.
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Offline HiAndTight Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 14, 2020, 4:57 PM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
Taylor officially out for the year, if there was any question left on that.



I don't think there was. It's not 100 pct, but trainers can tell by how much give there is in your knee almost immediately.

Sucks...the OL was looking REALLY good with Jenkins at RT.
Now the question is, are the Packers better off playing Jenkins at RT when Turner comes back or sticking with Turner/Wagner out there? I'll say Jenkins, but I know that's not the route they'll go.


Packers also apparently made an offer to Damon Harrison earlier in the off-season. One that Snacks didn't find suitable I guess, but they made an offer.
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Offline CheezWizHed Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 14, 2020, 9:30 PM Post
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HiAndTight said:
Could be. I thought it was just a simple wheel route, one those guys run out of that system(not that they don't run several option routes). They tried it a couple times last year with Vitale. At least he had good speed though(for a FB). But there's not much room for error there with a slower TE/FB with a small catch radius.


Yeah, I don't know the options on his route. I just saw him slow and put up his hands, then put on the afterburners to try to get to where Rodgers threw it.

This writer saw the same thing.

The rookie missed on a shot play up the sideline where he appeared to turn and look for the football too early, slowing down up the sideline.


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Offline CheezWizHed Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 14, 2020, 9:33 PM Post
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Sounds like Patrick missed having a major injury. Runyan looked decent out there. Maybe Turner can be OK back at guard, but not if its at last year's level. But at least we have some options.
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Offline Ron Robinson's Beard Re: Game 1: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, September 13th, Noon
Posted: September 14, 2020, 10:54 PM Post
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CheezWizHed said:
Sounds like Patrick missed having a major injury. Runyan looked decent out there. Maybe Turner can be OK back at guard, but not if its at last year's level. But at least we have some options.


Wagner looked solid at RT as well. I really liked how Jenkins looked out there, too. They have a decision to make with Jenkins I think. He has the capability of being a great, All-Pro-type guard, but I also think he has the ability to be a very good right tackle. Is a great guard more valuable than a good tackle? If the goal is to have your most talented 5 out there, that could very well mean Jenkins plays tackle, while Turner, Patrick and Runyan hold down the guard spots.
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