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Posted: October 28, 2020, 7:20 AM Post
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I don't see the need there. They don't have world class TEs but I haven't been watching the games thinking boy, we need to upgrade TE. The group they have is getting it done. They need front 7 help and maybe a WR like Devin Funchess would have been.


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I don't see the need there. They don't have world class TEs but I haven't been watching the games thinking boy, we need to upgrade TE. The group they have is getting it done. They need front 7 help and maybe a WR like Devin Funchess would have been.


I almost wonder if the Packers' offer may have come before Tonyan broke out? I agree that TE is not particularly a position of need, but perhaps the Packers saw Ertz as a clear upgrade over what they had on hand at the position. If they are truly trying to emulate the 49ers offense, Ertz is probably a closer approximation to Kittle's talent level than Tonyan is, despite Tonyan's obvious attempts to imitate Kittle.

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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
OldSchoolSnapper said:
I don't see the need there. They don't have world class TEs but I haven't been watching the games thinking boy, we need to upgrade TE. The group they have is getting it done. They need front 7 help and maybe a WR like Devin Funchess would have been.


I almost wonder if the Packers' offer may have come before Tonyan broke out? I agree that TE is not particularly a position of need, but perhaps the Packers saw Ertz as a clear upgrade over what they had on hand at the position. If they are truly trying to emulate the 49ers offense, Ertz is probably a closer approximation to Kittle's talent level than Tonyan is, despite Tonyan's obvious attempts to imitate Kittle.


Did Tonyan really break out though or was it just one huge week? He's been pretty quiet since Week 4.

Ertz has been a premium talent at his position for years; if the Packers were truly interested I have to imagine they thought he has some juice left. I know he hasn't impressed this season but it's an obvious buy low opportunity. Wentz and the Eagles' offensive line and other weapons surely haven't done Ertz any favors. He'd certainly have had better opportunity here.


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Who knows...maybe price and availability attracted us to Ertz. Sternberger hasn't been killing it...maybe Ertz was a short-term upgrade?

I do agree that Funchess would be very helpful right now. Hopefully St. Brown will still show something this year, but MVS looks like he has stalled as a WR. The third WR isn't needed so much, except when Adams or Lazard has been out. And it is pretty obvious now.

I'm thinking we stand pat at MLB for now. Barnes and Martin look better than anything we could get back in a trade. It will be interesting to see what happens when Kirksey comes back.

I think the DL still could use a run-stuffer upgrade - like the Pickett/Green suggestions earlier - but they have been playing better as of late. Obviously, healthy Clark makes a huge difference. But Adams is starting to show something (I'll eat my words about him now) and Keke has provided pressure. Lowry still has been poor, but Clark's return helped him out too.

A couple years ago, Lancaster looked like a guy that could plug holes (comparable to the aforementioned Howard Green), but his development stalled out. Maybe some time off and reduced snaps will help him out.


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Tonyan left the Tampa game early with an injury and is still hobbling, that has something to do with his being quiet. Rodgers loves him. I think getting Ertz probably had to do with a lower price tag to get another receiver than being displeased with their TEs but that's just my guess.


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Ertz is two years removed from a 116(!!!!) catch, 1200 yard receiving season, and just last year had 88 catches and 900+ yards. I love what Tonyan has done, but Ertz has historically been on a completely different level.


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Packers asking about Will Fuller:
https://twitter.com/aaronjreiss/status/ ... 7562750978

This may turn into one of those "Well that's too much to give up for Fuller, but maybe we can discuss Cooks" deals.

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Packers asking about Will Fuller:
https://twitter.com/aaronjreiss/status/ ... 7562750978

This may turn into one of those "Well that's too much to give up for Fuller, but maybe we can discuss Cooks" deals.


I'm just glad that they seemingly recognize the need for another weapon on the offensive side of the ball, even though the offense has been pretty dang good this year. Fuller's injury history is scary, but he would bring true game-breaking speed to the team.

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Any of Fuller, Cooks, Cobb or Stills would be a solid add without breaking the bank.

It's clear that, as good as our offense has been, the emerging #2 receiver on our roster still doesn't exist.

I think this year is it for the MVS experiment. We've seen enough. ESB still has a chance, but he needs to start showing something and stay healthy.


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Any of Fuller, Cooks, Cobb or Stills would be a solid add without breaking the bank.

It's clear that, as good as our offense has been, the emerging #2 receiver on our roster still doesn't exist.


I think Lazard was doing a pretty good emerging imitation before he went down. it appears that he's close to returning, but who knows how effective he will be with that type of injury.

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What would we expect to give for a guy like Fuller?


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What would we expect to give for a guy like Fuller?


Fuller is on the last year of his deal, the 5th year option on his original rookie contract. He is, for the most part, a rental, although he would likely recoup a pick for the Packers depending on the size and type of deal he signs in the offseason. I would imagine he's the type that would garner a 4th round compensatory pick, so I would imagine the Packers could probably get him for a 4th rounder, while eating the rest of his deal this year. That would, in essence, mean that they would only be trading the Texans salary relief for him. I suppose it's possible the Packers may go as high as a 3rd round pick for him.

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Ron Robinson's Beard said:
PeaveyFury said:
What would we expect to give for a guy like Fuller?


Fuller is on the last year of his deal, the 5th year option on his original rookie contract. He is, for the most part, a rental, although he would likely recoup a pick for the Packers depending on the size and type of deal he signs in the offseason. I would imagine he's the type that would garner a 4th round compensatory pick, so I would imagine the Packers could probably get him for a 4th rounder, while eating the rest of his deal this year. That would, in essence, mean that they would only be trading the Texans salary relief for him. I suppose it's possible the Packers may go as high as a 3rd round pick for him.


Thanks! I'd think considering the 4th as a comp pick, the Texans would need them to go higher just to justify the trade. I guess there IS a difference between a late true 4th and a later comp pick, but barely.

But would I trade a (presumably late) 3rd for the rest of the season of Fuller and a comp 4th? Absolutely.


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Glad we didn't get Ertz...have we not learned a single thing the past decade? Flashy TE names on the decline aren't very productive, Ertz was incredibly unimpressive before he went down.

I agree. We have several other areas of need bigger than tight end. That made no sense to me.

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PeaveyFury said:
Ron Robinson's Beard said:
PeaveyFury said:
What would we expect to give for a guy like Fuller?


Fuller is on the last year of his deal, the 5th year option on his original rookie contract. He is, for the most part, a rental, although he would likely recoup a pick for the Packers depending on the size and type of deal he signs in the offseason. I would imagine he's the type that would garner a 4th round compensatory pick, so I would imagine the Packers could probably get him for a 4th rounder, while eating the rest of his deal this year. That would, in essence, mean that they would only be trading the Texans salary relief for him. I suppose it's possible the Packers may go as high as a 3rd round pick for him.


Thanks! I'd think considering the 4th as a comp pick, the Texans would need them to go higher just to justify the trade. I guess there IS a difference between a late true 4th and a later comp pick, but barely.

But would I trade a (presumably late) 3rd for the rest of the season of Fuller and a comp 4th? Absolutely.


They would get the pick a year earlier then they would with the comp pick, plus they don't have any risk of losing the comp pick by signing other FA's. Add in the salary relief and a 4th seems about fair if that would be his comp pick value.


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PeaveyFury said:
Ron Robinson's Beard said:
PeaveyFury said:
What would we expect to give for a guy like Fuller?


Fuller is on the last year of his deal, the 5th year option on his original rookie contract. He is, for the most part, a rental, although he would likely recoup a pick for the Packers depending on the size and type of deal he signs in the offseason. I would imagine he's the type that would garner a 4th round compensatory pick, so I would imagine the Packers could probably get him for a 4th rounder, while eating the rest of his deal this year. That would, in essence, mean that they would only be trading the Texans salary relief for him. I suppose it's possible the Packers may go as high as a 3rd round pick for him.


Thanks! I'd think considering the 4th as a comp pick, the Texans would need them to go higher just to justify the trade. I guess there IS a difference between a late true 4th and a later comp pick, but barely.

But would I trade a (presumably late) 3rd for the rest of the season of Fuller and a comp 4th? Absolutely.



Wilde said on the radio today the Packers have offered a 4th for Fuller...but the Texans believe they'll get a 3rd for him. This is from Wilde. I have a hard time seeing Fuller getting a big deal after this season given his injury history, but he does have elite talent and upside...so maybe.


I like all the guys they've been rumored to be after. Ertz would be awesome...but they have to fortify the front 7. Maybe not a MLB'er(I've seen Myles Jack rumors), but something on the DL.

And with the Panthers losing to the Falcons, Curtis Samuel seems like a pretty ideal target. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but how reliable is Tyler Ervin? If he's as important as they've suggested and as important as it looks when watching this offense, then bring someone in who can play a comparable role. Samuel is a Deebo Samuels type player. Not quite a big, but elite speed and he's already used out of the backfield in Carolina.


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Unbelievable. I didn't actually lose faith in this front office until right now. I was fine with the Love pick. They'd talked about him, they reportedly really loved him, no pun intended.

I was good with Gary. He was a freak athlete at a premier position. I'm fine with being a forward looking team and constantly building through the draft...but you can do that AND also address OBVIOUS needs now.

This team was(and maybe still is, but I suspect they'll again fall short) of being a true SB contender. A Dalvin Tomlinson, Williams, hell, even a guy like McLendon would have helped this team out a lot.

But while SF, NO, TB and all the other contenders make significant moves...at least we can say we tried again. We TRIED to sign AB this year. We TRIED to trade for Fuller. We tried to...everyone else must just be trying harder.


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Unbelievable. I didn't actually lose faith in this front office until right now. I was fine with the Love pick. They'd talked about him, they reportedly really loved him, no pun intended.

I was good with Gary. He was a freak athlete at a premier position. I'm fine with being a forward looking team and constantly building through the draft...but you can do that AND also address OBVIOUS needs now.

This team was(and maybe still is, but I suspect they'll again fall short) of being a true SB contender. A Dalvin Tomlinson, Williams, hell, even a guy like McLendon would have helped this team out a lot.

But while SF, NO, TB and all the other contenders make significant moves...at least we can say we tried again. We TRIED to sign AB this year. We TRIED to trade for Fuller. We tried to...everyone else must just be trying harder.

Did they really try though? I suspect their definition of try is "take our low ball offer or forget it".

Looks to me like Gute is Ted Thompson 2.0. Content to just be a second tier also ran year after year. It's so frustrating watching every other Super Bowl contender making moves to improve their team for the championship push while this organization is content to sit on their hands year in and year out. Just once can they go all in? Remember all the "would you rather" talk about either winning a Super Bowl and sucking for the next 10 years or being a contender every year and not winning one? Alot of people picked the latter. I suspect after today that number has significantly dwindled.

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HiAndTight said:
Unbelievable. I didn't actually lose faith in this front office until right now. I was fine with the Love pick. They'd talked about him, they reportedly really loved him, no pun intended.

I was good with Gary. He was a freak athlete at a premier position. I'm fine with being a forward looking team and constantly building through the draft...but you can do that AND also address OBVIOUS needs now.

This team was(and maybe still is, but I suspect they'll again fall short) of being a true SB contender. A Dalvin Tomlinson, Williams, hell, even a guy like McLendon would have helped this team out a lot.

But while SF, NO, TB and all the other contenders make significant moves...at least we can say we tried again. We TRIED to sign AB this year. We TRIED to trade for Fuller. We tried to...everyone else must just be trying harder.

Did they really try though? I suspect their definition of try is "take our low ball offer or forget it".

Looks to me like Gute is Ted Thompson 2.0. Content to just be a second tier also ran year after year. It's so frustrating watching every other Super Bowl contender making moves to improve their team for the championship push while this organization is content to sit on their hands year in and year out. Just once can they go all in? Remember all the "would you rather" talk about either winning a Super Bowl and sucking for the next 10 years or being a contender every year and not winning one? Alot of people picked the latter. I suspect after today that number has significantly dwindled.



I think Thompson was better about addressing needs in-season. That's not saying much, but it's a low bar.

I just don't understand this. I don't know how much each player cost. Maybe the Texans wanted a 2nd for Fuller. That's too much. Maybe the Jets a 1st for Williams. I think that's fair, but I get if they don't.

But there have to be SOME teams that were willing to trade. A 5th for Dalvin Tomlinson would have almost certainly got the Giants to bite and or McLendon. But we didn't even hear rumors about the DL the last few days. It seemed like Fuller or nothing.

11-5...they'll win a playoff game and then likely lose in the 2nd round or maybe the NFCCG. That's probably our ceiling.


Edit-Oh...to answer your question...I don't know if they really tried. But when you're the GM of a team that doesn't have an owner in a revenue-sharing league like the NFL, trying doesn't mean much. You have a all time Great at QB. You need to actually get something done. If the Bucks can't or the Brewers can't make moves, I'll understand. The Packers really have ZERO excuses for not upgrading at least one area of this team. Desmond King was traded for a 6th round pick. Same with Avery Williamson. Both would have helped...even if they weren't big needs.


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Don't forget about Snacks Harrison. Carlos Dunlap would've been a great pickup too. Instead he went to Seattle, a team trying to win the Super Bowl.

"You're not going to have him when you want him and you're going to run out of games. He can't pitch 90 games. It's just not going to work. If anyone thinks it's going to work, show me how."- Craig Counsell on Josh Hader.


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