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Posted: November 17, 2020, 10:41 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
Looking at the cap and I see they're still paying Leuer and Larry Sanders? Yech.



I think they can appeal and get some cap relief with regard to Leuer since his injuries forced him to retire.


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Posted: November 17, 2020, 9:08 PM Post
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Sam Dekker is available... [wink]


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Posted: November 17, 2020, 9:38 PM Post
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HiAndTight said:
PeaveyFury said:
Looking at the cap and I see they're still paying Leuer and Larry Sanders? Yech.



I think they can appeal and get some cap relief with regard to Leuer since his injuries forced him to retire.

That's exactly it. If a player is forced to retire, you can petition to have that salary removed from your books (he still gets his cash).

The issue is that there is some question as to if the Bucks released Leuer before it was determined if he could not play anymore. He actually didn't retire until May 2020. However, he had been released the previous July - the club 'stretching' his 2019-20 salary cap hit over three years - meaning instead of eating $9M in salary last season, we only took a $3M charge. We get charged $3M in 2020-21 and again in 2021-22. This gave the club an extra $6M last season to play with. Nice at the time - but it can come back to haunt you.

A lot of the question will come down to did the Bucks cut Leuer because his physically couldn't play anymore back in July 2019? Or was it just a way to clear some cap space? That no one signed him - even for the veteran minimum - indicates he had some serious health issues going on.


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Posted: November 17, 2020, 9:48 PM Post
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Samurai Bucky said:
Sam Dekker is available... [wink]

Dekker is playing in Turkey this season. Their 2020-21 season has already starter. Dekker is the 10th leading scorer.

https://basketball.realgm.com/internati ... -BSL/stats


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Posted: November 17, 2020, 10:00 PM Post
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One thing about Giannis signing the Supermax is that he and the club might have a handshake agreement that basically says they'll trade him if things don't go as he likes. From what I understand, that's sort of the Paul George had with Oklahoma. He signed, and when things didn't work out - he asked for a deal and they gave it to him.

The Bucks could do the same thing, and if it happens, and they trade him, they'll be able to get a boatload of picks and/or players.

The only thing is that the Bucks can't trade a player who signs a Supermax for one year after signing (I believe that is correct - and not one year after the contract kicks in - but I'm not betting my life on it).

No matter, if Giannis signs, and then things go poorly (for whatever reason short of a catastrophic Giannis injury), we could deal Giannis for a ton of assets.


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Posted: November 18, 2020, 7:20 AM Post
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reillymcshane said:
Samurai Bucky said:
Sam Dekker is available... [wink]

Dekker is playing in Turkey this season. Their 2020-21 season has already starter. Dekker is the 10th leading scorer.

https://basketball.realgm.com/internati ... -BSL/stats


I thought about him as well! I went to see where he was and saw he tweeted when someone asked about coming back now to play for the bucks. He said "I'd play for free [smile] "

I honestly don't know how he's playing and what his holes are, but it would make for a great story and a WI kid to cheer for on the Bucks.


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Posted: November 18, 2020, 8:10 AM Post
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reillymcshane said:
One thing about Giannis signing the Supermax is that he and the club might have a handshake agreement that basically says they'll trade him if things don't go as he likes. From what I understand, that's sort of the Paul George had with Oklahoma. He signed, and when things didn't work out - he asked for a deal and they gave it to him.

The Bucks could do the same thing, and if it happens, and they trade him, they'll be able to get a boatload of picks and/or players.

The only thing is that the Bucks can't trade a player who signs a Supermax for one year after signing (I believe that is correct - and not one year after the contract kicks in - but I'm not betting my life on it).

No matter, if Giannis signs, and then things go poorly (for whatever reason short of a catastrophic Giannis injury), we could deal Giannis for a ton of assets.


Yep, that's the thing. Just because Giannis signs a 5 year supermax, doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be here in 5 years. It would obviously be a great sign, but NBA superstars get whatever they ask for. If things aren't going great and Giannis wants to go somewhere else after year 2, he can basically facilitate that.

Obviously you still want him to sign and it at least assures you that if he leaves, you don't lose him for nothing.

Giannis not signing the supermax and then leaving in free agency after 20-21 is the nightmare doomsday scenario, especially after blowing up the roster and mortgaging years worth of picks.


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The fact he is already playing over in Europe and said he would play for free is a pretty good sign the Bucks wouldn't want him even if he offered to pay Giannis' salary. Cool story, probably not an actual useful basketball player.


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Posted: November 18, 2020, 8:49 AM Post
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Yeah, feel good story on Dekker, but at a career 28% of his three pointers, he doesn't really fit this Buck's team. If you want the WI connection, I think looking back to Matthews is the best choice.

Edit - Though in Turkey, he is hitting 56% of his threes (18/32 in 8 games)....


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Posted: November 18, 2020, 9:50 AM Post
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The one Wisconsin connection no one mentioned is Frank Kaminsky.

He's a free agent, and in this market, he might be had for veteran's minimum. I won't pretend to know if he's a good fit for our team. I just bring him up because of his Wisconsin connections, his availability, and our needs.

His 3-point shooting is 34.7% for his career. Not great, but not bad. I always felt his outside game would be better - but that just hasn't developed. Perhaps in a stable, winning-environment he would thrive. We don't need these guys for 30 minutes - but 15-20 a game. They will all be flawed - just a matter of finding the one that best fits our needs (and budget).


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Posted: November 18, 2020, 9:53 AM Post
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CheezWizHed said:
Yeah, feel good story on Dekker, but at a career 28% of his three pointers, he doesn't really fit this Buck's team. If you want the WI connection, I think looking back to Matthews is the best choice.

Edit - Though in Turkey, he is hitting 56% of his threes (18/32 in 8 games)....


I'd have to look but I think Dekker was really good at catch and shoot threes - like over 40% at one point.

Edit: Oof. Not so much.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/catch ... ode=Totals

He was 8/53 on catch and shoots in 2017 - 18.

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Posted: November 18, 2020, 9:55 AM Post
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Grab Dekker and Frank and win the whole thing. The basketball gods owe us one from that Duke fiasco.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: November 18, 2020, 10:27 AM Post
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I don't get the obsession with the UW guys. They were high draft picks that flopped. I'd rather bring in vets that actually are playing in the league and not Europe that are looking for a ring.

yes I am not a UWB fan, so its a little biased I'll admit.


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Posted: November 18, 2020, 11:32 AM Post
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patrickgpe said:
I don't get the obsession with the UW guys. They were high draft picks that flopped. I'd rather bring in vets that actually are playing in the league and not Europe that are looking for a ring.

yes I am not a UWB fan, so its a little biased I'll admit.


I think a lot of it is tongue in cheek.

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patrickgpe said:
I don't get the obsession with the UW guys. They were high draft picks that flopped. I'd rather bring in vets that actually are playing in the league and not Europe that are looking for a ring.

yes I am not a UWB fan, so its a little biased I'll admit.


Kaminsky would actually fit in with the Bucks and what they do offensively. He is actually a better fit than Robin Lopez was as a backup C. Dekker doesn't really fit in with what the Bucks do though defensively he wouldn't be a bad option but there are better fits out there than Dekker. Kaminsky is really the only player that actually fits into what the Bucks are doing offensively and he wouldn't be a liability defensively at C either. Like Robin Lopez I am not sure Kaminsky will want to come to the Bucks as there would be very little playing time for him at C.


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Frank Kaminsky makes a bit of sense...drafting Markus Howard or signing Sam Dekker on the other hand does not make much sense to me...other than the fact they are from Wisconsin.


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Posted: November 18, 2020, 1:20 PM Post
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Frank Kaminsky makes a bit of sense...drafting Markus Howard or signing Sam Dekker on the other hand does not make much sense to me...other than the fact they are from Wisconsin.


I agree, for actual bench contributors the Bucks can do better than a scrap heap of Euro guys and 2nd round rookies. Kaminsky makes a lot of sense but he's a better player than the role he would get with the Bucks. I think they will have no shortage of options willing to come on board.

Markus does intrigue me because he appears to be good at basketball (albeit sloppy) with some upside but he should be in the G league in 2021, not filling a spot deep on the bench.


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I'm guessing Kaminsky gets more than league minimum, but you never know. He might be wiling to sacrifice a million or two to play in Milwaukee. Obviously, he would have to feel comfortable with the team's plan for him. But if he thinks he can thrive, he might be intrigued. I think he's dealt with a lot of uncertainty in his career - and losing teams. A winning, more stable club might be a big lure.


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Posted: November 18, 2020, 2:20 PM Post
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Looks like the Bucks traded with Orlando and now have the 45th pick too

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status ... 5630991360

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Posted: November 18, 2020, 2:24 PM Post
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Looks like the Bucks traded with Orlando and now have the 45th pick too

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status ... 5630991360


That should go along with #42 (bought from the Pelicans) and #60 (part of the Holiday deal), per Eric Nehm on 1260 AM The Fan this morning.

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