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Posted: October 23, 2020, 8:53 PM Post
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While I love what mertz is doing he has had some of the easiest touchdown passes in the history of college football tonight.


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Posted: October 23, 2020, 8:54 PM Post
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And one for the thumb.

Have a day, Graham Mertz.


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Pour it on! No mercy.

"You're not going to have him when you want him and you're going to run out of games. He can't pitch 90 games. It's just not going to work. If anyone thinks it's going to work, show me how."- Craig Counsell on Josh Hader.


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Posted: October 23, 2020, 8:59 PM Post
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yourout said:
While I love what mertz is doing he has had some of the easiest touchdown passes in the history of college football tonight.


Yah, he has been good and made some great accurate throws...but Illinois has been absolutely terrible and they haven’t challenged him at all.

I think Mertz is worth all the hype and think he will live up to expectations...even this year, but let’s see him face a defense that will actually challenge him a bit more.


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Posted: October 23, 2020, 9:00 PM Post
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That was disappointing.

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There have been a lot of big contributions from freshmen tonight. Bright future for sure!


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Posted: October 23, 2020, 9:37 PM Post
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That was fun. Hard to judge after one game but I think Illinois was supposed to have a decent defense and UW just steamrolled them for the most part. UW did hardly any pre snap motion in the 1st half which had me worried but then they did a lot in the 2nd half. I love the jet sweep action and I'm glad they actually ran it a few times to get it on film early in the year so teams have to respect it.

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Posted: October 23, 2020, 11:56 PM Post
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yourout said:
While I love what mertz is doing he has had some of the easiest touchdown passes in the history of college football tonight.



Well, that's a given. But he has also put the ball right where it's needed to go on a few occasions. Of course the PA's on the goal line are throws Hornibrook could have made(though he deserves some credit for selling the fake). He also dropped in an NFL type throw to Ferguson on the sideline(I think it was Ferguson, whoever it was, he dropped it right in there).

He was flawless when guys were wide open, but also hit guys in stride and didn't come close to making a mistake. Pretty much the perfect game for a young, highly touted QB.

He was also pressured at times and instead of looking at the rush, kept his eyes downfield and made the throws.

Even when it looks easy, there are still things you can take away.


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Posted: October 24, 2020, 12:14 AM Post
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The TD he threw before the half ended even in the NFL at times that ball is over or under thrown to the WR even when they are wide open. That was a nice pass and he hit the receiver in stride down the field that is not something that happens with Badger QB's even Wilson had trouble doing that.


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Posted: October 24, 2020, 12:22 AM Post
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LouisEly said:
He was slightly better than Clifford last year, and neither Clifford nor Morgan had Jonathan Taylor in the backfield taking away passing attempts. I'd still argue that if you put Coan in Minnesota's offense he'd outplay Morgan - just re-watch the Minnesota game last year and Coan outplayed Morgan by a mile. It wasn't even close.

Give Coan two NFL WRs and no Jonathan Taylor and he'd blow away Morgan. And Michigan's QBs are terrible. McCaffrey may be better if he develops, but sure isn't right now.



Agreed. If you put him on a team that threw the ball more and had two big, athletic threats on the outside(including one who's a projected top 10 pick by some) he would have been more productive IMO.

Plus...it's not like Minnesota didn't have a rushing attack. They had 3 backs who averaged 5 YPC, a guy who went for ~1200 another for 600 and a 3rd for 400.

I feel like people forget that Jim Sorgi and Scott Tolzien were both among the top 15-20 best QB's in the country(if not higher) and they spent a combined 13 years in the NFL...and neither were "projected" to be NFL draft picks are as highly regarded at this point in their careers. Coan is rated ahead of Morgan and behind only Fields and Clifford in at least one services rankings.


So it's certainly not an outlandish argument to say he'd start for all of 15 D-1 teams and I doubt you meant exactly and literally 15 teams. Maybe it's 18 maybe 14...the underlying point was he is a very good QB. Mertz is just on another level in terms of talent and upside.


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Posted: October 24, 2020, 12:27 AM Post
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nate82 said:
The TD he threw before the half ended even in the NFL at times that ball is over or underthrown to the WR even when they are wide open. That was a nice pass and he hit the receiver in stride down the field that is not something that happens with Badger QB's even Wilson had trouble doing that.



Agreed. And for a Freshmen, he just didn't flinch at all. He was extremely calm and collected back there. Even on easy passes, QB's can rush it, but he just dropped it right in there. What's NOT to like at this point?

Maybe Mertz opens the doors for young WR'ers and future generations of QB's. If the Badgers throw the ball more this year, it'll show that the team isn't dedicated to running the ball, rather using whatever talent they have.

This certainly can't hurt in that regard anyway.


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Posted: October 24, 2020, 9:42 AM Post
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HiAndTight said:
nate82 said:
The TD he threw before the half ended even in the NFL at times that ball is over or underthrown to the WR even when they are wide open. That was a nice pass and he hit the receiver in stride down the field that is not something that happens with Badger QB's even Wilson had trouble doing that.



Agreed. And for a Freshmen, he just didn't flinch at all. He was extremely calm and collected back there. Even on easy passes, QB's can rush it, but he just dropped it right in there. What's NOT to like at this point?

Maybe Mertz opens the doors for young WR'ers and future generations of QB's. If the Badgers throw the ball more this year, it'll show that the team isn't dedicated to running the ball, rather using whatever talent they have.

This certainly can't hurt in that regard anyway.


I don't think you can overstate how big it would be for the program if Mertz goes on to be a Heisman candidate/top ten pick level player. We have been sort of stuck in #5-10 level program for a few years just can't get past OSU to the playoffs and QB IMO has been a big obstacle getting over that hump. Mertz being that good may put us on another level in recruiting as a 5 star player really can come here and be a star. Hard not to be excited about this team after last night but not sure how big a test that was.

I think the comment on Coan being around #15 best in the country isn't far off, if he was healthy and had a good senior season I think he gets drafted. Tough break for him, unless the wheels come off for Mertz or he gets injured hard to see them giving Coan the job back when healthy. Maybe he gets a medical redshirt and grad transfers?


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Posted: October 24, 2020, 3:35 PM Post
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Based on the Penn State/Indiana game today, Clifford sure doesn't look better than Coan.


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LouisEly said:
Based on the Penn State/Indiana game today, Clifford sure doesn't look better than Coan.


Clifford has a much higher ceiling.
Athletically he can do things that Coan just can't.


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Posted: October 25, 2020, 5:44 AM Post
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LouisEly said:
Based on the Penn State/Indiana game today, Clifford sure doesn't look better than Coan.



Not at all. People definitely take Coan for granted now that we have Mertz, but he was a highly touted QB out of New York. A pretty damn big get when he signed. And he's performed very well for us.

I could see a lot of very good Power 5 schools who'd want him to transfer...if he doesn't try and make a go of it in the NFL.


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Posted: October 25, 2020, 6:31 AM Post
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HiAndTight said:
LouisEly said:

I could see a lot of very good Power 5 schools who'd want him to transfer...if he doesn't try and make a go of it in the NFL.


I was thinking about this yesterday. I'm envisioning Coan taking his time with his foot healing and transferring to a QB needy school for 2021, as high
a profile program as he can land, and then balling out next year to get selected in the late rounds of the 2022 NFL draft. Seemingly far less accomplished UW QBs have made nice careers in the NFL holding clipboards and being adequate fill-ins.

This is a classic case where I think all Badgers fans would be rooting for him instead of scorning him for leaving the program.


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Posted: October 25, 2020, 6:40 AM Post
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OldHeidelberg said:
HiAndTight said:
nate82 said:
The TD he threw before the half ended even in the NFL at times that ball is over or underthrown to the WR even when they are wide open. That was a nice pass and he hit the receiver in stride down the field that is not something that happens with Badger QB's even Wilson had trouble doing that.



Agreed. And for a Freshmen, he just didn't flinch at all. He was extremely calm and collected back there. Even on easy passes, QB's can rush it, but he just dropped it right in there. What's NOT to like at this point?

Maybe Mertz opens the doors for young WR'ers and future generations of QB's. If the Badgers throw the ball more this year, it'll show that the team isn't dedicated to running the ball, rather using whatever talent they have.

This certainly can't hurt in that regard anyway.


I don't think you can overstate how big it would be for the program if Mertz goes on to be a Heisman candidate/top ten pick level player. We have been sort of stuck in #5-10 level program for a few years just can't get past OSU to the playoffs and QB IMO has been a big obstacle getting over that hump. Mertz being that good may put us on another level in recruiting as a 5 star player really can come here and be a star. Hard not to be excited about this team after last night but not sure how big a test that was.

I think the comment on Coan being around #15 best in the country isn't far off, if he was healthy and had a good senior season I think he gets drafted. Tough break for him, unless the wheels come off for Mertz or he gets injured hard to see them giving Coan the job back when healthy. Maybe he gets a medical redshirt and grad transfers?


Not even sure he needs to be that good. If he can help UW just become a truly balanced offense and show guys that if we have the QB and if we have the weapons, we'll make use of them, that might help us pick up a few more recruits at WR'er, CB, the positions we're usually not elite at.


As for Coan, since this season doesn't count against his eligibility, he's still got another year left. I do kinda feel bad for Coan...but...I mean, 21-22 5TD's...Imma get over it!


Imagine if Taylor had stuck around? Get the NCAA Rushing Record(from a fellow Badger as far as I'm concerned) and get UW into the playoffs with him and the Freshmen Phenom? C'mon Berger...we're all looking at you right now. Clean up whatever it is that needs cleaning...


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