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NFC Championship: Buccaneers @ Packers - Sunday, Jan 24th, 2:05 PM

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Posted: February 07, 2021, 9:02 PM Post
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nate82 said:
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I’ve never been sure if the 2014 team would have beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl, I think that’s a toss-up. But I will now go to my grave believing beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 2020 Packers win this game against Kansas City. This really was Rodgers’ last best chance.


Umm lol no. Green Bay's defense isn't even half as good as Tampa Bay's is. The Packers wouldn't have been able to take away Hill like Tampa has. Tampa has actually taken out all of the Chiefs WR's Green Bay couldn't have done that. Also Tampa's pass rush is far better than Green Bay's.

It is a completely different game if it is Packers vs Chiefs.


Tampa is Probably the best NFL defense since the Baltimore squads.


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Posted: February 07, 2021, 9:02 PM Post
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I just don't understand how you can say the Packers are better than the Bucs. they destroyed us the first game and were the better team two weeks ago. They easily have more talent, especially in the front seven and receiver. OL and secondary are the only positions we have a decided advantage.

Speaking only for myself, I don’t at all think Tampa was the better team two weeks ago. Their pass rush played better than our offensive line, and that plus two unforced errors (one strongly aided by referee malpractice) was the difference in the game. But our QB played decisively better, and we won the turnover battle and dominated time of possession. Those are all marks of superior teams. But results did not match process, thanks largely to Mike Pettine’s brain fart. So here we are. But I am not disputing Tampa’s front 7, they’re great. But Green Bay was better and should have won that game, and anyone is going to have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

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Tampa's front 7 is better than the Giants SB fronts no? White makes that statement true. I don't remember the Giants having such a threat at LB with those teams.


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PinaMadness said:
I just don't understand how you can say the Packers are better than the Bucs. they destroyed us the first game and were the better team two weeks ago. They easily have more talent, especially in the front seven and receiver. OL and secondary are the only positions we have a decided advantage.


First game=too long ago to be relevant. Two weeks ago, the key decisive plays were coaching or officiating gaffes mainly. I feel that the Packers lost to a team they should not have lost to that day.


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I think GB would have beaten KC. Tampa played great... not an easy bunch of guys to root for though.

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Tampa's defense the last two games has faced teams without their starting Pro-Bowl LTs. Makes the pass rush quite a bit easier.


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Suh winning a SB just flat out sucks. Can’t stand that guy.

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Tampa did play a great game today, no taking that away from them.


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homer said:
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I just don't understand how you can say the Packers are better than the Bucs. they destroyed us the first game and were the better team two weeks ago. They easily have more talent, especially in the front seven and receiver. OL and secondary are the only positions we have a decided advantage.


he didn't say that. he said they'd beat the Chiefs.

I wasn't referring to Harvey. Just posters in general.

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Brew4U said:
Suh winning a SB just flat out sucks. Can’t stand that guy.


So happy for that Brady guy though.


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nate82 said:
Harvey'sWBs said:
I’ve never been sure if the 2014 team would have beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl, I think that’s a toss-up. But I will now go to my grave believing beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 2020 Packers win this game against Kansas City. This really was Rodgers’ last best chance.


Umm lol no. Green Bay's defense isn't even half as good as Tampa Bay's is. The Packers wouldn't have been able to take away Hill like Tampa has. Tampa has actually taken out all of the Chiefs WR's Green Bay couldn't have done that. Also Tampa's pass rush is far better than Green Bay's.

It is a completely different game if it is Packers vs Chiefs.


The Packers could have scored 50 points on this team. Given they are the Packers they would still probably lose 55-52.

I dunno that the Packers were better than Tampa, but they could certainly play with them and KC could not. I will say that touchdown at the end of the first half will haunt me for a long time. It likely was the difference between a 5th Super Bowl title and not even playing the game.

Tampa earned it though. An awesome front 7.


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adambr2 said:
Brew4U said:
Suh winning a SB just flat out sucks. Can’t stand that guy.


So happy for that Brady guy though.


Toss AB in there too. Just ish. Terrible behavior rewarded.

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Tampa is great, but they lost 5 games this year. It's not like they were infallible. They gelled and got hot at the right time. Sometimes, that's all it takes. Congratulations to them. We'll never know if we would have won today because we didn't make enough plays two weeks ago to get the opportunity. Maybe next year.


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Yay Tom Brady won his 37rd Super Bowl so interesting zzzzzzzz..


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Tampa Bay has some annoying dudes, but it isn’t like the Chiefs didn’t have a list of lame players too. One of their biggest stars is Tyreek Hill and after their coaches situation days before the Super Bowl I can’t say I’m sad the Chiefs got absolutely destroyed yesterday.


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Sorry guys, but Tampa was better than the Packers this year. There is no evidence to the contrary.

I think too man people are thinking about the early version of Tampa that looked very inconsistent. Once the team came together and gelled, they were clearly the better team. We did play them better the second time around and better than the Chiefs looked in the SB.

Whining about refs (that were bad, but consistently bad) doesn't help. Ironically, TB showed they can play well when Refs call nothing (NFC championship) or everything (SB).


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Sorry guys, but Tampa was better than the Packers this year. There is no evidence to the contrary.

I think too man people are thinking about the early version of Tampa that looked very inconsistent. Once the team came together and gelled, they were clearly the better team. We did play them better the second time around and better than the Chiefs looked in the SB.

Whining about refs (that were bad, but consistently bad) doesn't help. Ironically, TB showed they can play well when Refs call nothing (NFC championship) or everything (SB).


Meh. The Packers don't surrender that embarrassing touchdown to end the first half, you are looking at a 14-10 game with the Packers getting the ball. It wasn't some minor event, it was the moment the entire game went off the rails. It's a miracle to me still that GB even made it a game. That looked headed right for 45-17.

I will say that the defensive rankings are a joke. The Rams were the best defense? Lol. The Bucs were ranked 8th. That is not just the best defense in the league, it's probably the best defense of at least the past several years until you hit the Denver team that won the SB.

And the refs didn't call 'nothing.' They threw a flag when the Packers had one last gasp on a play they hadn't called all game, like 5 seconds after the play. It was nonsense. Conversely, they didn't call the same penalty that would have directly taken the deep TD off the board in the 1st half.

In 8 quarters of GB-TB, the Bucs were penalized 8 yards.

I can accept that Tampa is a better team than GB. Stating it in absolutes like it's so obvious though? It's not. And I'll go to my grave thinking they really blew this. '14 was a worse loss, but the SB with the Pats was a toss-up.

They got everything they needed this year and really blew it. There's no way around SF being in another class last season, or Atlanta running GB off the field the last time, but something about this just felt...different. No doubt Tampa took GB out of their game both games this year. But it always just felt like multiple self-inflicted things. Adams dropping a TD he's caught all year, Jones coughing up a TD - nearly twice if not for Tonyan falling on the first. They just got sloppy at the most inopportune time. Unfortunately, that's sort of what their identity has become.

I know personally I'll never believe the Packers are winning an NFCCG until they do. Don't care if they're favored by 14. I just have no confidence in this team to close anymore.


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CheezWizHed said:
Sorry guys, but Tampa was better than the Packers this year. There is no evidence to the contrary.

IMO, the evidence to the contrary is a healthy Bakhtiari in the NFCCG. If he plays and keeps JPP at bay and gives Rodgers more time to throw, I think GB has a good chance to win that game.


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Yep, if we don't turn it over, if we didn't have injuries, if, if, if... We lost. Twice. First step to recovery is to admit it. [wink]

I'm not saying we never had a chance to win. I think talent-wise, we were pretty close, but TB just matches up really well with us - just one of those teams that takes advantage of our weak spots. But to insist we were still better is a bit foolish...

Rankings are silly too. TB clearly was not playing well early in the season and obviously was playing huge at the end of the season. Trends are important too; teams that are hot at the end tend to play well in the playoffs.


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I think the point is that "admitting they were better" is just semantics when it's clear the teams were close to even and the game swung on a play or two.

The same could not be said for the Packers vs. 49ers last year or the Packers vs. Falcons a few years prior. In both cases it was fairly obvious before the game and crystal clear during it that the Packers were completely outmatched.

That was not the case this year. The Packers had a real chance to seal the deal this year. The QB is another year older and the team is almost a sure bet to be worse on paper in September. It makes it much harder to swallow when you really had a shot vs last year's loss, which was very easy to get over (for me).

I'll probably never get over this one, just like I'm not over 2014. Oddly, the Super Bowl 32 loss hurt, but not as much as either of these two, because in that one I felt they just lined up and got beat. The 15-1 team going down was pretty meh to me too, because I had my doubts about them going in. This year was just a real gut punch. It just felt like it was gonna happen.


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