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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: August 16, 2017, 8:42 PM Post
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DHonks said:
MrTPlush said:
Two thoughts:
2) I seriously question any move to Tucson. It is really far from the other ballparks which I just don't see them doing. I don't buy there being a bunch of Midwest fans there. I mean yes there are, but that is what all of Arizona is. It is a bunch of people fleeing the "cold". You would get little tourist action flocking to Tucson. They will want to be by all the stadiums and Phoenix. The only gain you have from sticking yourself in Tucson is the fact you are the only show within hours. The only way I see them moving there is if the AAA rumor comes to fruition. That would be the only positive coming out of it..,and I guess paying less money. Though how positive is it to snag a less cruddy AAA site than we have now? Is Fresno that huge of a difference than Tucson? I question that.


This is what I've been hoping for, and why I speculated Tucson a week or so ago. AAA baseball in Tucson is nice for a variety of reasons.

MrTPlush, I think you're exaggerating a bit saying the Brewers would be "the only show within hours." Tempe, Mesa, and Scottsdale are roughly 1 hr 30-45 minutes. That's a pretty easy drive. In good traffic I have to drive nearly an hour to Surprise, 45 minutes to Tempe/Maryvale, over an hour to Goodyear/Camelback Ranch. Gilbert is basically an hour away. What's convenient for me personally is that a former golfer on my team is a starter on U of A's softball team, and it would allow me to head to Tucson to spend a weekend catching some college softball and Brewers games.


What are the variety of reasons outside of your personal preferences? I don't think DHonks knowing someone at UA is a good reason In the grand scheme of things Tucson AAA would still be well down the list of AAA spots.

Not much of an exaggerration. The Cubs complex(closest?) would be about 2 hours away in best case traffic.. Then they would be progressively worse.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: August 16, 2017, 8:58 PM Post
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Polish Falcons said:
With all this uncertainty I was just wondering if there is any chance the brewers wind up in Florida instead? Have there been any rumors about that? Or is this completely off the table?


It is not off the table but I think that is the Brewers last resort option. From the people I have talked to in differing chambers of commerce that have been dealing with the Brewers and these situations is that they seriously want to stay in AZ. This is not just a fluff answer the Brewers seriously want to stay in AZ and Florida is really the last and final option. I have talked with the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce members who have dealt with the Brewers and the Peoria Chamber of Commerce members who have also dealt with the Brewers and they have both said this.

I would give the chances of the Brewers going to Florida at about a 5% chance maybe even less.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: August 16, 2017, 10:51 PM Post
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MrTPlush said:
DHonks said:
MrTPlush said:
The Cubs complex(closest?) would be about 2 hours away in best case traffic.. Then they would be progressively worse.


And this is where I was disagreeing. In bad traffic it might be 2 hours. Now I realize we are arguing over 15-30 minutes, but it's a relatively short commute that teams did regularly until 2009.

The reasons why this works:
-available AAA-caliber stadium immediately
-minor league fields and clubhouses for 2 clubs to handle spring training adjacent to stadium
-when I worked Dbacks minor league spring training roughly 12 years ago, the locker rooms and training facilities were very good.
-consistent weather to avoid the constant rainouts plaguing our other affiliates
-facilities to handle a AAA team, extended spring training, rehabbing players, the AZ Summer League all in one spot
-Community/county willing to pony up
-Tucson airport very close and Phoenix airport with direct flights to Milwaukee (important should we purchase a AAA team)
-drive/commute shorter than most in Florida, although roughly double what more are in Arizona (which is why teams usually brought only 2-4 starting players to compete in Tucson). 8:30-9am traffic generally a breeze on the I-10.
-no other viable option at present, besides staying in Maryvale

reasons this isn't great:
-we can wait more years and hope for something better
-It is farther from the greater Phoenix area. Fans wouldn't be able to stay in Old Town and attend home games easily, but can attend road games.
-community near stadium isn't much better than Maryvale. Last time I was there, it needed some development.
-players don't like bus-rides
-many players live in the greater Phoenix area, and wouldn't be able to live at home during Spring Training.

Personally for me, I probably would be more likely to travel to Tucson than Gilbert. I'm not a fan of dealing with the 60, especially nearing rush hour. At least with Tucson I might make a weekend out of it, play some courses I rarely get to, etc. Maryvale is ok--centrally located with plenty of parking. I'm still probably more likely to attend plenty of games at Salt River Fields, Peoria, and Surprise (just cause I like the stadium). My first desire is the north valley, as it has no teams training there, but those rumors died down long ago. Plus, there's also the reality that there's no actual plans for a stadium in Gilbert, just proposals


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: August 16, 2017, 10:56 PM Post
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MrTPlush said:
Two thoughts:

1) I am a little skeptical about the Gilbert plan. If the Brewers and the developmental company were footing the entire bill why has this not happened? It would literally make zero sense for Gilbert to turn down something that will only cost them the money they directly make from it.

2) I seriously question any move to Tucson. It is really far from the other ballparks which I just don't see them doing. I don't buy there being a bunch of Midwest fans there. I mean yes there are, but that is what all of Arizona is. It is a bunch of people fleeing the "cold". You would get little tourist action flocking to Tucson. They will want to be by all the stadiums and Phoenix. The only gain you have from sticking yourself in Tucson is the fact you are the only show within hours. The only way I see them moving there is if the AAA rumor comes to fruition. That would be the only positive coming out of it..,and I guess paying less money. Though how positive is it to snag a less cruddy AAA site than we have now? Is Fresno that huge of a difference than Tucson? I question that.



To help shed some light on #1, the land the Brewers are seeking for this complex is PRIME and maybe the most PRIME land Gilbert has to offer. The Town of Gilbert will eventually make serious $$$ off the location regardless of what they put there. Some of the other hang ups I am hearing is that the park on the far NW end of the parcel is a Owl Park, a nature reserve type area/park. The other issue is the high school that would border the east side and concerns about traffic and other possible issues between the two during the month of March.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: August 20, 2017, 8:39 PM Post
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Any chance the Brewers have something on the "back burner" that no one really is aware of? Am I not mistaken that some articles have mentioned deadlines? Just speculating, but what if the Brewers have a "back burner" deal in place like in Kissimmee (Champion Stadium)? Probably makes more sense than Tucson and becomes available in 2019.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: September 09, 2017, 1:04 PM Post
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If Arizona is the Brewers overwhelming preference, Tucson may be the best option if they (Tucson) can secure AAA baseball again. Victory Field in Indianapolis was probably the last nice AAA home stadium they were in. When the PDCs come around for re-upping, Tucson may not be great but probably compares just fine to some of the options they may be looking at (Tacoma, Syracuse, Las Vegas, Norfolk, Fresno, etc.). Tucson also seems to have one thing many of these other locations don't seem to have...an interest in the Brewers.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: September 10, 2017, 12:52 PM Post
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The Arizona Daily Star (Tucson Paper) ran a follow up on efforts to land the Brewers. The author believes a new stadium will need to be built.

http://tucson.com/my-two-cents-tucson-m ... b595e.html


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: September 16, 2017, 11:21 AM Post
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A quick five year recap:

2012 - Gila River and Scottsdale mentioned as new ballpark options

2013 - Dunedin mentioned and HoHoKam and Phoenix Muni agree with the A's and ASU to generation-long leases

2014 - Peoria, Gila River, and Fort McDowell mentioned and Sloan Park opens

2015 - Quinn states he has talked facilities for ten of his eleven years with the club

2016 - Attanasio states the team needs to be "moved in and operating" in a state-of-the-art complex in the "next few years"

2017 - Gilbert and Pima County mentioned

Options:

Building new - seems like public money has dried up so unless the Brewers or private funding comes through, it doesn't seem like an option.

Renovating - the options seem to be Maryvale, Tucson, or Florida. Other than Tucson there are not many options of unused stadiums still standing compared to Florida that has 7-8 that have been vacated in the last decade. Would Attanasio and company consider the Orlando area or even Dodgertown in Vero Beach?


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: September 16, 2017, 11:39 AM Post
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I would hope that the brewers do not hold out for a new stadium to move to Tuscon. I think the biggest thing should be to get out of Maryviale so if you get a slightly older facility that will meet all of your needs in a better neighborhood, you should take it. its a very tough sell in my opinion to convince tax payers to build a new facility for a team you have no connection to to play games there for a month.

Frankly i am surprised any city will take that deal without the MLB team, unless to lure diamondbacks or a one of the florida teams to florida, paying a large portion of the stadium costs.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: September 18, 2017, 1:18 PM Post
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I think my surprise really comes from Gila River or any Native American reservation proposal dying. As someone who doesn't frequent casinos, I would think the draw of an MLB team would only increase attendance at casinos during those games much like attending Talking Stick when I saw the Brewers play the Rockies. I am sure the numbers have been run and they don't pencil out, but my mind just assumes it would be a good move by a tribe.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: September 19, 2017, 6:36 PM Post
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Maybe the Gilbert proposal is not that far fetched. It sounds like the Braves are chipping in $55.5 million for their new spring training home.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: October 21, 2017, 4:03 PM Post
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Anyone have a prediction when something will happen regarding the Brewers spring training home? Bob Quinn (I think) mentioned they have been talking about spring training changes for the last decade and there are about a dozen teams that have changed homes since 2009. Some options:

Maryvale Renovations - hard to think if this was going to happen that it isn't already done
Building a New Stadium in Arizona (Gilbert?)
Getting involved with a renovation in Dunedin if Blue Jay lease expires at the end of the year
Moving into City of Palms Park in Fort Myers (would college lease be an issue)
Convincing the Mets and Port St. Lucie into making First Data Field a two-team complex
Building a New Stadium in Florida (Naples or Boca Raton?)

I did not include Tucson options or Orlando-area options because of the distance of travel not only for spring training, but also rookie-league games.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: October 21, 2017, 10:46 PM Post
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balsamlaker said:
I did not include Tucson options or Orlando-area options because of the distance of travel not only for spring training, but also rookie-league games.



That doesn't make sense. Tucson is 2-2.5 hours away from the Phoenix locations. That's longer than most Florida trips


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: October 21, 2017, 10:48 PM Post
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I am still not sure the Crew is going to move to Florida


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: October 22, 2017, 12:52 PM Post
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DHonks, that is why I did not include Tucson as an option. The Orlando-area is also not a great option travel-wise especially for rookie ball as there is only one team left within 70 miles of Disney. Until the playoffs gulf coast league teams only play the 3-4 teams closest to their site, so that travel outside of Central Florida is not horrible.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: October 23, 2017, 4:59 PM Post
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This is totally going off the lack of news surrounding the future long term home of the Brewers Spring Training

I have to imagine the lack of a clear path as to where the Brewers will be playing their future spring training games is beginning to get annoying to the front office. First it was Peoria, then Gila River, then Gilbert, then Tucson...then potentially Florida. While only a month in the beginning of the season for the MLB club, the unsettled nature of where the minor league operation will be in the future has to cause some consternation.

OR

Perhaps it's just me that would like some clarity on the subject. Please stay in Arizona.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: October 23, 2017, 5:37 PM Post
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Warning Track Power said:
This is totally going off the lack of news surrounding the future long term home of the Brewers Spring Training

I have to imagine the lack of a clear path as to where the Brewers will be playing their future spring training games is beginning to get annoying to the front office. First it was Peoria, then Gila River, then Gilbert, then Tucson...then potentially Florida. While only a month in the beginning of the season for the MLB club, the unsettled nature of where the minor league operation will be in the future has to cause some consternation.

OR

Perhaps it's just me that would like some clarity on the subject. Please stay in Arizona.



At Spring Training in 2016, Attanasio was interviewed about the facilities issue.

He made VERY clear that the Brewers wanted to get the issue taken care of and quick.

I doubt he would have made those comments if Spring Training facilities were not a primary concern for the front office.

Here is a link to the February 2016 interview: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/165468730 ... ning-home/

That was about 20 months ago. Based on the way he talked, I thought we would have had an announcement by March 2017.

I live out here in Arizona and don't have much to add except for the fact that I know a lady who works in facilities management for the City of Phoenix. She is not a higher up, but has enough knowledge to tell me that the City of Phoenix is no longer interested in the Spring Training business. They wont be sad if the Brewers leave. The Maryvale Stadium would likely be gobbled up by a re-developer and turned into high density apartments or housing.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: October 26, 2017, 11:32 AM Post
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I thought the ball park there was not in a nice location or at least not nice location to get to the ballpark.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: October 26, 2017, 12:12 PM Post
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brewmann04 said:
I thought the ball park there was not in a nice location or at least not nice location to get to the ballpark.


The ballpark is in a crappy part of town. However, it is in central Phoenix where land is at a premium.

I dont think luxury homes will be built in Maryvale anytime soon, however, condos and apartments do make a lot of sense for lower income folks.


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Offline  Re: Brewers Maryvale Spring Training Lease
Posted: October 27, 2017, 4:29 PM Post
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Maybe the total "lack of news" is the Brewers just keeping an eye on the Blue Jays and Dunedin to see if they reach an agreement by the end of 2017. Until that lease is signed it will likely always be a possibility with the Brewers' VP of Baseball Projects having spent about two decades worth of springs in Dunedin.


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