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Posted: October 30, 2018, 5:48 AM Post
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MNBrew said:
I like Kyle Wren, too, and he seems to outproduce Taylor, and wonder what's preventing him from being viewed as a useful MLB piece.

Perhaps you meant this as past tense, but a reminder that Kyle Wren finished the year as a member of the Red Sox organization after being released mid-season to pursue other opportunities.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 6:46 AM Post
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I wouldn’t burn a valuable 40 man on a guy who is unlikely to play in Milwaukee. I’m hoping this is short term.

Well they have two spots open right now so I think it was a decent play by the Brewers. He was likely gone in free agency so at the very least this can get them to the rule 5 draft and then they can try to outright him off the 40 man if they need the space. If somebody claims him then they are in the same spot if they never added him to the 40 man.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 7:27 AM Post
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MNBrew said:
The Taylor move seems a little curious and it's possible he still ends up a short-timer for the organization -- or maybe he makes it next year over either Broxton or Santana since they're both out of options. I like Kyle Wren, too, and he seems to outproduce Taylor, and wonder what's preventing him from being viewed as a useful MLB piece.

Wren is gone, but the point is valid - if the Brewers never added Wren why would they be interested in Taylor?

Taylor's AAA splits have been noted, and who knows if the power is legit (splits suggest it isn't) but looking at AA:

Wren: .362 OBP, .354 SLG
Taylor: .306 OBP, .332 SLG

If we want to add guys with inflated AAA hitting stats, I'd rather add Bethancourt and have some catching depth. Taylor isn't needed with Broxton and Ray in the system. He strikes out less than Broxton, but I don't know if he's as good of a defender as Broxton. As someone noted, perhaps Taylor fills a seat on the Majors-AAA 25th Man Roster Shuttle where Broxton is out of options, but I think Wren could have filled that seat just as well.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 7:31 AM Post
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Taylor plays CF well, Wren does not. Taylor has shown he has some power, yes it was in Colorado but Wren was there a long time and never showed power.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 7:59 AM Post
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Boomer5 said:
I wouldn’t burn a valuable 40 man on a guy who is unlikely to play in Milwaukee. I’m hoping this is short term.

Well they have two spots open right now so I think it was a decent play by the Brewers. He was likely gone in free agency so at the very least this can get them to the rule 5 draft and then they can try to outright him off the 40 man if they need the space. If somebody claims him then they are in the same spot if they never added him to the 40 man.


They also don't have many guys to protect this year after all of the trades.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 9:11 AM Post
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Under the Qualifying Offer system, the Brewers have 5 days from the end of the World Series to make a QO to Wade Miley (so by Friday).

He was with the Brewers all year (assuming time on the DL counts), and I can't believe he would have ever received a QO in prior years, so he should be eligible for one.

A Qualifying Offer would constitute a 1-year, $17.9 million contract.

Presumably, Miley would decline the offer, seeking to get more money, but spread out over 3-4 years. The downside is that we have a potentially-overpaid LH starting pitcher on a 1-year deal. If he declines the QO, and signs for over $50M (which I consider likely, based on last season), the Brewers would receive an additional Competitive Balance A (after the first round) pick, or a Comp. Balance B (after 2nd round) pick if he signs for less than $50M.


With most of the Brewers starting pitching options being right handed, I say roll the dice and make the QO.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 9:25 AM Post
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According to spotrac, Jordan Lyles contract is $1M for 2019.

But since baseball reference and this article say it is $3.5 with a buyout to boot - I assume this is the right amount. That makes things a lot more interesting to see whether we keep him or not.

https://www.mlb.com/brewers/news/brewer ... -299957776


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 9:26 AM Post
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0% chance they give Miley a QO and he doesn't warrant one either.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 11:24 AM Post
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Under the Qualifying Offer system, the Brewers have 5 days from the end of the World Series to make a QO to Wade Miley (so by Friday).

He was with the Brewers all year (assuming time on the DL counts), and I can't believe he would have ever received a QO in prior years, so he should be eligible for one.

A Qualifying Offer would constitute a 1-year, $17.9 million contract.

Presumably, Miley would decline the offer, seeking to get more money, but spread out over 3-4 years. The downside is that we have a potentially-overpaid LH starting pitcher on a 1-year deal. If he declines the QO, and signs for over $50M (which I consider likely, based on last season), the Brewers would receive an additional Competitive Balance A (after the first round) pick, or a Comp. Balance B (after 2nd round) pick if he signs for less than $50M.


With most of the Brewers starting pitching options being right handed, I say roll the dice and make the QO.


No way. I think you are giving Miley more credit than what the 30 MLB GMs will.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 11:57 AM Post
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Miley was great for us, but there is no way we are making him a qualifying offer, and no way he is turning down 1 year/18M if it's on the table.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 11:59 AM Post
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No way I'd give Miley that kind of dough.

Half that, sure.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 12:02 PM Post
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Under the Qualifying Offer system, the Brewers have 5 days from the end of the World Series to make a QO to Wade Miley (so by Friday).

He was with the Brewers all year (assuming time on the DL counts), and I can't believe he would have ever received a QO in prior years, so he should be eligible for one.

A Qualifying Offer would constitute a 1-year, $17.9 million contract.

Presumably, Miley would decline the offer, seeking to get more money, but spread out over 3-4 years. The downside is that we have a potentially-overpaid LH starting pitcher on a 1-year deal. If he declines the QO, and signs for over $50M (which I consider likely, based on last season), the Brewers would receive an additional Competitive Balance A (after the first round) pick, or a Comp. Balance B (after 2nd round) pick if he signs for less than $50M.


With most of the Brewers starting pitching options being right handed, I say roll the dice and make the QO.


Miley would accept that qualifying offer, while checking to see if Ashton Kutcher is hiding around the corner punking him.


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I think making the QO to Miley is a good idea.

If Miley passes, the Crew gets a pick to help re-stock the system. If he takes it, then the Crew has a good starting pitcher for 2019.

It's a win-win.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 12:25 PM Post
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Taylor plays CF well, Wren does not. Taylor has shown he has some power, yes it was in Colorado but Wren was there a long time and never showed power.

Yah, Taylor and Wren have very different skillsets. It's not a comparison where you can drop a few stats down and wonder why Wren isn't still here. Taylor is a premium athlete who plays a premium position (CF) well and is still just 24.

For something completely different, Nelson/Suter/Vogt will all need to be activated from the 60-day DL by Friday at 4pm central. Safe to assume Nelson will stick on the 40-man, but the odds are certainly different for Suter and Vogt due to their injuries.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 12:45 PM Post
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For the last day I have been thinking Tyrone Taylor = Troy Stokes Jr and have been so confused. Finally realized it wasn't actually Stokes that got added to the 40.

[ohwell]


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The issue is that Miley was a pretty unproductive player for 4 seasons before this past season. It is a big risk thinking that he all of a sudden become a frontline pitcher. Giving someone like him $18 million is a big risk, small reward in my opinion. I loved what he did for us this season, but his past seasons and issues with walks is too much for me. He is also turning 32 next month. I don’t see anyone giving him a contract longer than 2 or 3 years with the third year being an option year. With the total value being around $25 million. He would take the $18 million QO without hesitation.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 1:01 PM Post
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Taylor plays CF well, Wren does not. Taylor has shown he has some power, yes it was in Colorado but Wren was there a long time and never showed power.

Yah, Taylor and Wren have very different skillsets. It's not a comparison where you can drop a few stats down and wonder why Wren isn't still here. Taylor is a premium athlete who plays a premium position (CF) well and is still just 24.

For something completely different, Nelson/Suter/Vogt will all need to be activated from the 60-day DL by Friday at 4pm central. Safe to assume Nelson will stick on the 40-man, but the odds are certainly different for Suter and Vogt due to their injuries.

Very true about the 60 day DL players, forgot about that. Besides the injury, one thing working against Suter is that if he was kept on the 40 man and put on the DL for all of 2019 he would be arbitration eligible for 2020. Unfortunately for Suter I think he will be removed from the 40 man.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 2:03 PM Post
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The issue is that Miley was a pretty unproductive player for 4 seasons before this past season. It is a big risk thinking that he all of a sudden become a frontline pitcher. Giving someone like him $18 million is a big risk, small reward in my opinion. I loved what he did for us this season, but his past seasons and issues with walks is too much for me. He is also turning 32 next month. I don’t see anyone giving him a contract longer than 2 or 3 years with the third year being an option year. With the total value being around $25 million. He would take the $18 million QO without hesitation.


Then the Crew has a good starting pitcher for 2019, one who performed well in the playoffs, I might add.

Win-win for the Crew on the QO. Miley accepts, a rotation slot is filled with a good pitcher. Miley declines, the Crew gets a pick.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 3:53 PM Post
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$18M for Wade Miley is an insanely high salary for the guy.

I'm thinking $18M over two years is pushing it.


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Posted: October 30, 2018, 4:43 PM Post
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$18M for Wade Miley is an insanely high salary for the guy.

I'm thinking $18M over two years is pushing it.


Perhaps, but for one year, it's not a killer. He pitched well in Milwaukee - I think DJ did well with him. So, why not take the risk, and have him?

The pick, if he declines, is worth the risk.


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