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40-man roster discussion (part 2)

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Posted: October 22, 2019, 11:31 AM Post
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Moose and Grandal filing for free agency would open up two spots.


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Posted: October 22, 2019, 11:46 AM Post
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djoctagone said:
deolis guerra has his contract selected again by the brewers. he is out of minor league options, and has been outrighted to the minor leagues before.

the roster is at capacity, with two players (corey knebel and bobby wahl) on the 60-day injured list.


I think Albers is definitely gone so that's one open spot. They can remove Freitas-Saladino-Austin and that's 4 spots. Plus Faria and Black are out of options but on the 40-man roster. Besides Knebel and Wahl they also have rule 5 guys: Ray-Brown-Erceg-Fryereisan-Webb to make decisions on early next year.


I would think Ray and Feyereisen are the two locks to be protected. Ray since he was their first round pick from a few years back and Feyereisen since they traded for him in September knowing he wouldn’t make an impact in 2019. I don’t think the other three are at risk of being taken in the rule 5 draft.


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Posted: November 01, 2019, 4:06 PM Post

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the brewers activated the club's option for manny pina.

tyler austin and cory spangenberg were outrighted to the minor leagues and they elected free agency.

matt albers, gio gonzalez, yasmani grandal (decline of mutual option), jay jackson, jordan lyles, mike moustakas (decline of mutual option), and drew pomeranz all elected free agency.

the roster is at 31 players.


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Posted: November 01, 2019, 4:46 PM Post
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Bummer about Spangenberg. I thought he showed well in his limited opportunities, and hoped/assumed he'd be back.


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Posted: November 01, 2019, 4:48 PM Post
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djoctagone said:
the brewers activated the club's option for manny pina.

tyler austin and cory spangenberg were outrighted to the minor leagues and they elected free agency.

matt albers, gio gonzalez, yasmani grandal (decline of mutual option), jay jackson, jordan lyles, mike moustakas (decline of mutual option), and drew pomeranz all elected free agency.

the roster is at 31 players.


I was really hoping Spangenberg would be back to be the backup for SS and 2B since his arby number wasn’t too pricey. It’ll be interesting to see what they do there since I don’t think they really have another viable option for SS or 2B outside of a Perez return. But I don’t really think he will be back either...


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 7:48 AM Post
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Anyone know where the 2020 payroll stands now assuming all arby eligible players are retained?


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 8:15 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Anyone know where the 2020 payroll stands now assuming all arby eligible players are retained?


I've got the 40 man roster currently at $106M


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 8:17 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Anyone know where the 2020 payroll stands now assuming all arby eligible players are retained?


From what I can see (not including benefits) somewhere in the $97-99M range. That figure includes estimates on arby salaries.


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 8:17 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Anyone know where the 2020 payroll stands now assuming all arby eligible players are retained?


I've got them at around $120 million, including buyouts.


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 8:49 AM Post
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I think option decisions are due today for Thames and Anderson. (of course if Anderson's option is declined he's still under team control through arbitration so he may not immediately become a free agent)


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 9:37 AM Post
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Perdomo given a spot on the 40-man. That's fun.


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 9:43 AM Post

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angel perdomo has his contract selected from class aaa san antonio. he enters 2020 spring training with three minor league options.

the roster is at 32.


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 10:00 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Anyone know where the 2020 payroll stands now assuming all arby eligible players are retained?


I just did some quick and dirty math.

I came up with $109,230,000

I used contract info from Cots.
I used $565k as the minimum salary for all pre-arb players on the 40 man. (This isn't perfect because I believe players on the 40 man get minor league pay while they're in the the minors)
I used MLB Trade Rumors arbitration salary projections.
I assumed Thames and Anderson would have their options exercised and all players under 6 years of service time would be retained.
I included the $5.25mm in buyouts owed to Gandal and Moose. I also removed $4mm for deferred comp for Braun and Cain.
I included Wahl and Knebel who technically are not listed on the 40 man roster yet.
This is player salary only. It does not include other forms of player compensation/benefits that are rolled into the luxury tax calculation.


Edit: to add Perdomo.


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 4:37 PM Post
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I think option decisions are due today for Thames and Anderson. (of course if Anderson's option is declined he's still under team control through arbitration so he may not immediately become a free agent)

I'm pretty sure that if they decline Anderson's option, he's a free agent. If the Brewers wish to retain him, they have to pick up his option. If they don't pick up his option and instead pay the buyout, then that makes him a free agent.

That's not to say they couldn't re-sign him later, but in the short term they're giving up their rights to him by not exercising their option on his contract.


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Posted: November 02, 2019, 4:39 PM Post
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long ball said:
I think option decisions are due today for Thames and Anderson. (of course if Anderson's option is declined he's still under team control through arbitration so he may not immediately become a free agent)

I'm pretty sure that if the Brewers decline Anderson's option, he's a free agent. If the they wish to retain him, they have to pick up his option. If they pay the buyout, they're giving up their rights to him by not exercising their option on his contract, which then makes him a free agent.

They couldn't re-sign him later if he's still available, but he's an FA and nothing's guaranteed.


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Posted: November 03, 2019, 7:29 AM Post
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I don't envy Stearns on his decision on Shaw. He performance next year is incredibly unpredictable. He could realistically have an OPS anywhere from 551 to 862. That means we could have anywhere from bad Arcia to good Moose.

I think his only option is to try and trade him and replace him with Moose or another free agent. Relying on that level of unpredictability for a key role cannot be afforded on a contending team. I liked the idea that someone posted to trade him for Zack Cozart (as long as the money gets evened out). Change of scenery type trade.


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Posted: November 03, 2019, 9:52 AM Post
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I don't envy Stearns on his decision on Shaw. He performance next year is incredibly unpredictable. He could realistically have an OPS anywhere from 551 to 862. That means we could have anywhere from bad Arcia to good Moose.

I think his only option is to try and trade him and replace him with Moose or another free agent. Relying on that level of unpredictability for a key role cannot be afforded on a contending team. I liked the idea that someone posted to trade him for Zack Cozart (as long as the money gets evened out). Change of scenery type trade.


Cozart is a walking talking injury waiting to happen. No thanks.

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Posted: November 04, 2019, 12:56 PM Post

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the brewers officially announced picking up the option of manny pina.

the brewers declined the option of eric thames.

the brewers have traded chase anderson for a minor leaguer.

the brewers have reinstated corey knebel and bobby wahl from the 60-day injured list.

the roster remains at 32.


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Posted: November 05, 2019, 9:27 AM Post
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Here is my rough 40-man and payroll calculations

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Posted: November 05, 2019, 11:49 AM Post
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Vollbc74 said:
Here is my rough 40-man and payroll calculations


Forgot to remove Austin and Spangenberg who elected FA after being outrighted. Payroll stands at roughly 96.35M


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