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Posted: March 30, 2017, 3:05 PM Post
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So honest question, we all know we have a bunch of outfield depth & pitchers on the 40 man, but last night I was playing the show and in the very first game Thames got hurt and had to go on the DL. It made me realize we don't have much if any depth. The only available infielder to call up was Yadiel. Seems like we could be better using our 40 man spots no? Do we need the Blazek's, Reed's, etc on the 40 man?


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Posted: March 30, 2017, 3:36 PM Post
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Hernan Perez is depth at 1B

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Posted: March 30, 2017, 3:44 PM Post
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Thames wouldn't be a big deal. Aguilar would get most of the starts and they could also go Shaw at 1st and Perez at 3rd.

Perez could fill in anywhere in the infield.

There's not a ton of depth in the infield on the 40, agreed, but they're pretty well covered right now in the short-term for an injury anywhere even with Scooter gone. Short-term if a guy went on the 10 day Rivera would probably be up. Something longer term that necessitated a 60 day stay they might use that extra 40 spot for Dubon.


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Posted: March 30, 2017, 4:02 PM Post
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1B? You have Thames and Aguilar already, which many would argue is one too many 1B on the 25. Shaw can play 1B, so could Perez. No idea if any of the catchers could play 1B in a pinch. Then there's Santana and Braun, one of which I hope learns the position. After that you have Cooper, maybe Coulter or Nottingham. In other words, almost anybody.


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Posted: March 30, 2017, 4:17 PM Post
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The point wasn't 1b exclusively. Its in general how little Infield depth we have. I apologize if that didn't come across clearly.


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Posted: March 30, 2017, 4:25 PM Post
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MVP2110 said:
The point wasn't 1b exclusively. Its in general how little Infield depth we have. I apologize if that didn't come across clearly.


I really don't see an issue though. Perez can cover 2nd 3rd or short as the everyday guy, and as mentioned 1st is already well covered. Frankly if it were a short 10 day DL stay I think we could fill it with basically no loss in production. If it were a longer term injury Dubon would possibly be up on the 40 if not the 25.

Who would you want to see on the 40 for depth that isn't already on it? I agree that Reed is probably the 40th man right now as far as position players go and the most expendable, but I don't see an issue right now.


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Posted: March 30, 2017, 7:24 PM Post
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Perez can cover 2nd 3rd or short as the everyday guy, and as mentioned 1st is already well covered. Frankly if it were a short 10 day DL stay I think we could fill it with basically no loss in production. If it were a longer term injury Dubon would possibly be up on the 40 if not the 25.


Agreed that the starting lineup would be ok if anyone goes down with Perez and Aguilar stepping in. The problem is that the bench goes from weak to bad.


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Posted: March 30, 2017, 8:03 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Perez can cover 2nd 3rd or short as the everyday guy, and as mentioned 1st is already well covered. Frankly if it were a short 10 day DL stay I think we could fill it with basically no loss in production. If it were a longer term injury Dubon would possibly be up on the 40 if not the 25.


Agreed that the starting lineup would be ok if anyone goes down with Perez and Aguilar stepping in. The problem is that the bench goes from weak to bad.


I guess I'm just not really concerned about it. Most of that depth is in the minors. Hopefully DeJesus will clear and wind up in Colorado Springs, if so you have plenty of good IF depth in the minors in him and Dubon. The 40 man is fluid. I don't see a lot of guys in the infield that are going to be replaced much whether it be late in games or frequently needing days off. If we have injuries, the roster will change.


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Posted: March 30, 2017, 8:23 PM Post
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It's 2 1/2 years into a rebuild where we traded almost every useful player. There isn't going to be much depth. The farm is deep but the active roster is what took the hit to get that depth.

There needs to be a King Thames version of the bible.


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Posted: March 30, 2017, 9:23 PM Post
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MVP2110 said:
The point wasn't 1b exclusively. Its in general how little Infield depth we have. I apologize if that didn't come across clearly.



I feel like we have too many bats for too few positions. Perez and Aguilar should be playing full time. Brinson probably should get a May call up but I hope he doesn't since there is nowhere to play. Nieuwenhius is an ok 4th OF and after that we have a number of guys in AAA that could probably do ok in the majors. Considering we are in the middle of a rebuild I'm shocked just how deep this major league positional roster is with real talent.


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Posted: March 30, 2017, 10:11 PM Post
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Yah, the depth is fine. DeJesus, if he is back, is a fringe big league player, Rivera can function as a short-term fill in at least thanks to his defense, and the team seemed to be giving Nate Orf a lot of playing time this spring. None of these guys are likely starters, but for AAA depth they aren't bad. And there is no real need for more than one extra on the 40-man just to have one. I'd rather put off a roster move than make an unnecessary one and lose somebody.


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Posted: March 31, 2017, 6:44 AM Post
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My depth concerns start and end with Nieuwenhuis. I just think they could do better for a 4th OF/lone LH bat off bench. (Angel Pagan?). Sure he will have his moments, but when you need a good AB off the bench late, chances are he won't make contact. 13 pitchers is a luxury. They can't afford any weak links off the bench.


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Posted: March 31, 2017, 7:15 AM Post

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MVP2110 said:
The point wasn't 1b exclusively. Its in general how little Infield depth we have. I apologize if that didn't come across clearly.

then please consider editing the topic title of your post. "lack of infield depth" perhaps?


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Posted: March 31, 2017, 7:44 AM Post
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I think the depth on this team and throughout the organization could be at its all time high. Everywhere you look there is someone lurking in the background waiting for a guy on the 25 to suck just enough to get their opportunity.

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Posted: March 31, 2017, 8:07 AM Post

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Posted: March 31, 2017, 8:46 AM Post
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The open 40-man spot eases the initial poster's problem. If we need another position player called up, we can add someone to the 40-man without the risk of losing someone else.


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Posted: March 31, 2017, 10:46 AM Post
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It is a good reminder that we are still a couple years away. While there are top prospects knocking on the door for pitching and outfield, most of the infield prospects are in the lower levels. If there is an infield injury, we are looking at AAAA replacements at this point.


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Posted: March 31, 2017, 10:55 AM Post
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I think we have more depth than many years. Depth that is maybe a half year too young if they are needed to be called up, but it is there if needed. Now if H Perez got hurt then you would be walking on eggshells about the next injury and maybe having problems.


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Posted: March 31, 2017, 12:12 PM Post
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bork said:
It is a good reminder that we are still a couple years away. While there are top prospects knocking on the door for pitching and outfield, most of the infield prospects are in the lower levels. If there is an infield injury, we are looking at AAAA replacements at this point.


Well Dubon is right there. Diaz and Erceg have higher upsides but yes they're still a couple years away.

How many teams have top prospects ready at the go at all available positions? Not many or any. Most teams are looking at AAAA replacements if they have injuries. No one is sitting 40 deep on their 40 man roster with MLB ready starting caliber players.


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Posted: March 31, 2017, 12:16 PM Post
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It all depends on what type if depth we are talking about. The farm is deep but that doesn't necessarily translate to depth on the major league roster. What we have is a lot of talented young players who need to play every day. That can help if we have an injury or someone struggles but it does not help to improve the bench. None of the prospects should be coming up to be part time players for an extended period of time. It also doesn't mean anyone in the minors are ready to come in and produce better than the current starters from day one.
The guys who are almost ready or, in the case of Arcia, are already here will be talented young players learning how to play at the major league level not top producers right away.

There needs to be a King Thames version of the bible.


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