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Posted: September 05, 2017, 10:57 AM Post
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Nice loyalty to the existing players like Dejesus, Wren and Orf, who grind it out all year, only to be bypassed by an indy player pickup. Not to impressed with this move.


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Nice loyalty to the existing players like Dejesus, Wren and Orf, who grind it out all year, only to be bypassed by an indy player pickup. Not to impressed with this move.

Berry is a lot faster than any of those guys. The point with Berry is to use him as a running replacement. He's also easy to take off the roster at the end of the season.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:01 AM Post
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I don’t necessarily disagree with you – however Berry wouldn’t have sniffed our roster if we weren’t in the playoff mix. He has an elite tool that the others don’t. Even guys who run well like Wren have to understand the move.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:22 AM Post
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And That said:
dacbrewers said:
Nice loyalty to the existing players like Dejesus, Wren and Orf, who grind it out all year, only to be bypassed by an indy player pickup. Not to impressed with this move.

Berry is a lot faster than any of those guys. The point with Berry is to use him as a running replacement. He's also easy to take off the roster at the end of the season.


Spot on. I doubt he even plays defense, he's getting a major league salary for 30 days because he has elite speed. Decent deal for him, he'll probably make more this month than he did the first 5. With all the close games we've been playing, he could be quite valuable. Down 1 or tied in the late innings, if someone can walk or get a single...in theory we put this guy in to steal second(and maybe 3rd) and give us a better chance to get the run home. At minimum, he'll be in the pitchers head and add that much pressure...and likely glide home with ease on anything extra bases.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:38 AM Post
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If they want someone to pinch run only, go find a track star. Berry in 5 attempts had 3 steals at colorado springs and was caught 2 times, not that great of a ratio for a so called speed burner or elite speedster. I personally think it's a BS move by the Brewers Organization. Anyone can pinch run and Suter has.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:41 AM Post
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If they want someone to pinch run only, go find a track star. Berry in 5 attempts had 3 steals at colorado springs and was caught 2 times, not that great of a ratio for a so called speed burner or elite speedster. I personally think it's a BS move by the Brewers Organization. Anyone can pinch run and Suter has.


I don't know how fast or how good of a runner Berry is. That ratio is not great. Your point about the track star is silly as you need someone with baseball instincts, stealing bases isn't only about speed. I could understand considering Wren or Dubon for this type of role, but the Brewers clearly thought Berry would be a better fit in this specific role. Maybe it is BS to some degree(I personally don't think so), many of us on this site understand the move though.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:43 AM Post
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And at Rochester AAA earlier this year...3 steal attempts....2 caught stealing....1 stolen base.


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dacbrewers said:
If they want someone to pinch run only, go find a track star. Berry in 5 attempts had 3 steals at colorado springs and was caught 2 times, not that great of a ratio for a so called speed burner or elite speedster. I personally think it's a BS move by the Brewers Organization. Anyone can pinch run and Suter has.


I don't know how fast or how good of a runner Berry is. That ratio is not great. Your point about the track star is silly as you need someone with baseball instincts, stealing bases isn't only about speed. I could understand considering Wren or Dubon for this type of role, but the Brewers clearly thought Berry would be a better fit in this specific role. Maybe it is BS to some degree(I personally don't think so), many of us on this site understand the move though.


Kyle Wren...26 steals...5 caught stealing.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:48 AM Post
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I just think it alienates your players when you bring in an Indy player and promote him over guys in the Brewers Organization that deserve it more. In actuality, Wren has a better stealing ratio regardless of who is faster.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:53 AM Post
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In actuality, Wren has a better stealing ratio regardless of who is faster.

Wren's career SB%: 77.1%
Berry's career SB%: 81.1%

Wren's MLB SB%: N/A
Berry's MLB SB%: 96.4%


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:55 AM Post
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dacbrewers said:
KeithStone53151 said:
dacbrewers said:
If they want someone to pinch run only, go find a track star. Berry in 5 attempts had 3 steals at colorado springs and was caught 2 times, not that great of a ratio for a so called speed burner or elite speedster. I personally think it's a BS move by the Brewers Organization. Anyone can pinch run and Suter has.


I don't know how fast or how good of a runner Berry is. That ratio is not great. Your point about the track star is silly as you need someone with baseball instincts, stealing bases isn't only about speed. I could understand considering Wren or Dubon for this type of role, but the Brewers clearly thought Berry would be a better fit in this specific role. Maybe it is BS to some degree(I personally don't think so), many of us on this site understand the move though.


Kyle Wren...26 steals...5 caught stealing.


I see your point on Wren, in fairness Berry has 27 steals with 1 caught stealing in his MLB career. He's also stolen over 400 total bases in his baseball career. Looking strictly at the stats isn't enough though. Shaw has 9 steals and no caught stealing...should we have him be our running specialist?


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:57 AM Post
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Loyalty doesn't matter nearly as much as who can help the team the most in a playoff push. Berry's numbers at the MLB level suggest a fair amount of success on the basepaths and I will trust Stearns on this one.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 11:58 AM Post
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How about Wren and Berry race for the roster spot?


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 12:15 PM Post
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Johnny Davis is faster than Berry,, bring him up.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 12:17 PM Post
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So the Brewers get to call up a guy that is a proven base stealer and they do it at the expense of basically nothing. The guy will probably never see an at bat or an inning in the outfield. Is that the role you would want to see Wren in for a month when he could be playing in the AAA playoffs? This is a nothing move for the most part other than it may give us a guy to use in desperation mode to try to score a run to tie a big game. The rest of it screams nothing to see here.

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Posted: September 05, 2017, 12:20 PM Post
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dacbrewers said:
Johnny Davis is faster than Berry,, bring him up.

Im assuming the brewers don't want to put Davis on the 40 and have to remove him for the rule V players. Berry is not a concern and will be gone after the season from the 40


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 12:20 PM Post
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It seemed likely the Brewers were going to do this after signing him but the guy is almost 33 and likely has lost a step or two since having success in the majors 3-4 years ago. Probably doesn't mean much one way or the other and will only get a few pinch running opportunities without hopefully ever swinging a bat.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 12:26 PM Post
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Yes, proven in the past. Its not the past anymore. Berry is 2 years older than when he was last in the majors..He didnt get any faster, in reality he got slower. Ask Wren what he thinks...I'm sure he would love a month of major league pay.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 12:28 PM Post
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dacbrewers said:
Johnny Davis is faster than Berry,, bring him up.


This is probably your best point. Especially considering that Davis is getting old and probably doesn't have much hope to be a MLB regular or anything at this point. But Davis also hasn't seen MLB pitching, it probably makes more sense to take the guy who's proven he can do it in this case than gambling on a AA or AAA player.


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Posted: September 05, 2017, 12:33 PM Post
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dacbrewers said:
Johnny Davis is faster than Berry,, bring him up.

The Brewers want to retain Davis after this year. If they add him to the 40-man now, they will have to remove him after the season and risk losing him. Berry will be removed from the 40-man as well, but I assume they don't care about losing him. It is perversely showing some faith in Davis by not adding him right now.

Also, and I do not usually put much stock in this but this is the rare exception - I want an experienced guy as a pinch runner. I don't want a foolish baserunning mistake from a guy who is only there to be a base runner.

I get your point, and it certainly isn't fair to Davis or Wren, but the Brewers are doing what they believe is best for right now, and for roster construction going forward. And it is in their best interests to do that.


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