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Posted: August 31, 2017, 8:03 AM Post
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It would take pretty much going 5-2 against them just to make things interesting, and even 5-2 would not be enough to give us the lead at this point, so we'd still need to make up ground against a considerably tougher schedule than the Cubs.


After this weekend, our schedules are essentially the same. If we are still within 3 on Monday, the division is still within reach.


Absolutely. It is a minor miracle we are seeing how our offense disappeared after the ASB. Our pitching has been a nice surprise, actually. [smile]


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 8:08 AM Post
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If we take care of our business, we have a very good chance at either the wildcard or division. We control our own destiny against the cubs, but colorado and arizona play each other and the dodgers quite a bit. Also the Giants and Padres are both playing better, so those won't be layup drill victories. Step 1 is winning enough to get to 86-88 wins, the rest should work out 1 way or another.


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Arizona has separated itself, so catching them seems a stretch. Rockies are in cross hairs at this point. They have 8 game trip starting the 7th with 4 in LA and 4 in Arizona. That's when they should be vulnerable.

18-11 the rest of the way gets it done one way or another. Go 9-3 vs. the Pirates and the Reds, then 9-8 vs everyone else.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 8:43 AM Post
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The Rockies pithing is falling apart. Holland is crashing pretty hard and their already nondescript rotation is coming back down to earth.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 8:55 AM Post
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It'd be fun to knock out the Rockies and take their spot because Lucroy wanted to play on a "contender."


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 9:31 AM Post
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It'd be fun to knock out the Rockies and take their spot because Lucroy wanted to play on a "contender."


It would be far more fun to watch the cubs further gut their farm system and not make the playoffs as we take the division. But beating out the Rockies would be a nice consolation. And my point in mentioning Arizona is that yes they've separated themselves a bit, but them facing the Rockies means a Brewers win would gain ground on 1 of the 2. If Colorado get's hot, it's not like the wildcard becomes impossible because they'd likely be beating up on Arizona and putting them in a position for us to catch them.


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September 7th-14th will be a very key week. The Rockies have an absolutely brutal stretch, 8 games in Arizona and L.A. without a day off. Meanwhile we get 3 in Chicago and 3 at home vs. the Pirates with 2 days off. Hopefully they get slaughtered. If they went 2-6 on that stretch even if we only split ours 3-3, that would be enough to completely erase the current deficit.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 11:03 AM Post
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It'd be fun to knock out the Rockies and take their spot because Lucroy wanted to play on a "contender."


I have no ill will towards Lucroy, he also wanted to sign an extension with the Brewers.

After reading his comments during our series in Denver, it seems more than anything that he's a loyal guy who is a bit hurt by the business-like, non-loyal nature of professional sports. He was great with the Brewers, but signing an aging catcher to a market value extension didn't make any sense for a rebuilding team. He seemed to take some offense to that.

There is no team in all of sports I'd like to knock out of the playoffs more than the Chicago Cubs

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Yeah, I really don't understand why anyone harbors any ill will towards Lucroy. I hope he gets a nice contract in the off-season.


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The Dodger games don't matter much IMO. They're already on cruise control.

Still think the Brewers can catch the Rockies, but more so because I think they stink.

I hate the Cubs. I hope they die.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 11:19 AM Post
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Yeah, I really don't understand why anyone harbors any ill will towards Lucroy. I hope he gets a nice contract in the off-season.


Ill will? Pish posh. He made douchey comments about wanting to be on a team to contend and all that jazz before our season ever began. He had one foot out the door the minute they said no on his extension offer. I don't hate the guy, just would rather see him never make the playoffs while our Brewers figure out a way to continually get in them.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
It'd be fun to knock out the Rockies and take their spot because Lucroy wanted to play on a "contender."


It would be far more fun to watch the cubs further gut their farm system and not make the playoffs as we take the division. But beating out the Rockies would be a nice consolation. And my point in mentioning Arizona is that yes they've separated themselves a bit, but them facing the Rockies means a Brewers win would gain ground on 1 of the 2. If Colorado get's hot, it's not like the wildcard becomes impossible because they'd likely be beating up on Arizona and putting them in a position for us to catch them.


For irony's sake, the best outcome to me is the Brewers winning the division and the Cubs edging out the Rockies for the 2nd WC and then promptly losing to Arizona.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 12:07 PM Post
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Yeah, I really don't understand why anyone harbors any ill will towards Lucroy. I hope he gets a nice contract in the off-season.


Ill will? Pish posh. He made douchey comments about wanting to be on a team to contend and all that jazz before our season ever began. He had one foot out the door the minute they said no on his extension offer. I don't hate the guy, just would rather see him never make the playoffs while our Brewers figure out a way to continually get in them.


Well, if it's enough that you hope he never sees a playoff game, yes, I would call that ill will.

He was directly asked by a reporter in an interview his thoughts about being traded to a contender. Here was his response.

"I want to win and I don't see us winning in the foreseeable future. I want to go to a World Series. That's what all players want. Rebuilding is not a lot of fun for any veteran guy."

"If I stay with the Brewers, I'm not going to go out and dog it," he told the newspaper. "I'm not going to be a bad teammate. I'm not going to be a bad clubhouse guy. I'm not going to be bitter. It's just part of the game."

"Right now, I'm planning on being with the Brewers. I'm not going to think anything different until something happens. It might and it might not. No one knows. I'm going to go out every day and compete with whatever team I'm with.

He gave an honest response instead of an obviously phony 'no comment' or 'I think we're on the right track here!' I can respect that. He didn't bemoan the organization, complain about his lack of a new contract or anything like that.

After being a great teammate and player for years, playing for well under market value and basically turning into the best catcher in Brewer history, I am honestly pretty shocked that people are bitter enough toward him for those relatively mild comments enough to hope he never makes it back to the playoffs. And I totally understand and agree with why they didn't give him an extension.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 12:11 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Brew4U said:
adambr2 said:
Yeah, I really don't understand why anyone harbors any ill will towards Lucroy. I hope he gets a nice contract in the off-season.


Ill will? Pish posh. He made douchey comments about wanting to be on a team to contend and all that jazz before our season ever began. He had one foot out the door the minute they said no on his extension offer. I don't hate the guy, just would rather see him never make the playoffs while our Brewers figure out a way to continually get in them.


Well, if it's enough that you hope he never sees a playoff game, yes, I would call that ill will.

He was directly asked by a reporter in an interview his thoughts about being traded to a contender. Here was his response.

"I want to win and I don't see us winning in the foreseeable future. I want to go to a World Series. That's what all players want. Rebuilding is not a lot of fun for any veteran guy."

"If I stay with the Brewers, I'm not going to go out and dog it," he told the newspaper. "I'm not going to be a bad teammate. I'm not going to be a bad clubhouse guy. I'm not going to be bitter. It's just part of the game."

"Right now, I'm planning on being with the Brewers. I'm not going to think anything different until something happens. It might and it might not. No one knows. I'm going to go out every day and compete with whatever team I'm with.

He gave an honest response instead of an obviously phony 'no comment' or 'I think we're on the right track here!' I can respect that. He didn't bemoan the organization, complain about his lack of a new contract or anything like that.

After being a great teammate and player for years, playing for well under market value and basically turning into the best catcher in Brewer history, I am honestly pretty shocked that people are bitter enough toward him for those relatively mild comments enough to hope he never makes it back to the playoffs. And I totally understand and agree with why they didn't give him an extension.


That's all that needed to come out of his mouth for me to lose respect for him. You just don't say something like that, especially as a "leader" of our team and BEFORE the season. Talk about having a losers mentality.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 12:33 PM Post
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The odds of the Rockies playing mediocre (or worse) are probably better than the Cubs playing mediocre (or worse). So I'd say the Wild Card is our best bet at this point.

In the end, however, we still have to win games. If we play .500ish, that won't cut it. We have to play well down the stretch. If that happens we are in the thick of things (for both division and WC).


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 12:33 PM Post
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I totally agree with Adambr2. You're crucifying a guy for being honest and forthright instead of giving cliched bs answers publicly to appease you as fans. While saying the truth behind closed doors to team officials like all other players do in these situations. Really I don't see much difference, but I'd rather support the honest guy than the guy giving fluff just because that's what you want to hear.


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I guess I'm just not offended by Lucroy saying that, Brew. Guys are generally pretty candid aboit their chances in a rebuild. Our own owner before the season said wins and losses weren't a high priority to him this year. Braun stated before the year that he was optimistic but also realistic.

Could Lucroy have worded it better, yeah, but I still appreciate everything he did for us and wish him the best.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 12:47 PM Post
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I guess I'm just not offended by Lucroy saying that, Brew. Guys are generally pretty candid aboit their chances in a rebuild. Our own owner before the season said wins and losses weren't a high priority to him this year. Braun stated before the year that he was optimistic but also realistic.

Could Lucroy have worded it better, yeah, but I still appreciate everything he did for us and wish him the best.


Yeah and I totally get that stance. And this isn't about being offended or not because I truly don't care too much about a guy like Lucroy. It was just telling that when he didn't get his way, all of a sudden he had comments. He could have very easily left out the part I highlighted. He chose to include that and for some, that's enough to diminish his time as a leader of our club. I want guys that want to battle. Not guys that want to complain or come up with excuses for why theyre not winning.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 2:28 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
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I guess I'm just not offended by Lucroy saying that, Brew. Guys are generally pretty candid aboit their chances in a rebuild. Our own owner before the season said wins and losses weren't a high priority to him this year. Braun stated before the year that he was optimistic but also realistic.

Could Lucroy have worded it better, yeah, but I still appreciate everything he did for us and wish him the best.


Yeah and I totally get that stance. And this isn't about being offended or not because I truly don't care too much about a guy like Lucroy. It was just telling that when he didn't get his way, all of a sudden he had comments. He could have very easily left out the part I highlighted. He chose to include that and for some, that's enough to diminish his time as a leader of our club. I want guys that want to battle. Not guys that want to complain or come up with excuses for why theyre not winning.


This and his veto of the Cleveland trade because they wouldn't guarantee he would be the full time catcher the next year. He said he wanted to play for a contender and then vetoed a trade to a contender because they wouldn't give him what he wanted. Does anyone honestly believe Cleveland was going to give the majority of the starts to Yan Gomes or Roberto Perez? Even in his crappy season Lucroy is outhitting both of them.


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Posted: August 31, 2017, 2:36 PM Post
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He was worried that since Gomes is signed multi-year that they would trade him again in the offseason and just generally that Cle wouldn't be the spot for him long term. If they didn't have Gomes signed he probably would be comfortable working out an extension in the offseason. Turns out it didn't turn out any better in TX but that's mostly been his fault for not playing well. If he'd have done well he'd probably have a deal locked in with them already.

I mean, the team came right out and said they tearing down and rebuilding and not trying to win. But Lucroy is the devil for saying the same thing?


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