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Posted: October 06, 2017, 4:20 PM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:

You actually couldn't possibly be more wrong on Aguilar. .827 OPS from a bench bat with sporadic playing time is like winning the friggin lottery.


Lumbering 1b's who hit .827 with the benefit of a lot of platoon starts are a dime-a-dozen. That's why they play sporadically in the first place. That roster spot could be used much more effectively by having Braun, Vogt, and maybe Santana able to play 1b.

He played a grand total of 14 innings at 3b in the minors. Fielding grounders at 3b during warm-ups means nothing. Baseball reference has him as a -.7 dWAR for his career in about half a full-season's worth of total innings, so his sporadic pt is protecting him from being recognized for the bad defender he really is. I know dWAR stats will disagree but that sure jives with what I see in terms of range and agility. He has a decent glove and all, but so did Jeter and Rollins when they were the worst starting ss's in baseball.

What about the fact that he had an .OPS of .800 in the minors? That's horrendous for a slugging prospect. You really think his .827 OPS (which isn't even good) in 311 pa's this year is somehow more indicative of his skill than his 4000+ MiLB pa's? You're relying too much on the narrative of the season. The sun shined on his butt a few times in crucial ph appearances. Don't let it go to your head. Jason Rogers him as soon as you get a chance.


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Posted: October 07, 2017, 7:24 AM Post
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LouisEly said:
Sogard's second half OPS was a Yadiel Rivera-like .586. For his career he's a little better against RHP, but still only .648. I'd rather have DeJesus as a backup and find a LH starter in FA/trade (i.e. Walker).


De Jesus like Sogard has little power (5 career HR in 545 PA), but unlike Sogard he is contact challenged with 130 K's in those 545 PA. I can live with a power/high K combo but not a no power/high K combo. Besides they already have one RH utility player in Perez. Sogard/Perez as your two utility players is about as solid a utility combo as they come. Heck as a platoon duo, they'd make a better option than Villar at 2B. Remember Craig Counsell who was essentially the same player as Sogard, actually had multi year contracts that paid him up to $2.8 million in his mid 30's.


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Posted: October 07, 2017, 11:30 AM Post
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coolhandluke121 said:
KeithStone53151 said:

You actually couldn't possibly be more wrong on Aguilar. .827 OPS from a bench bat with sporadic playing time is like winning the friggin lottery.


Lumbering 1b's who hit .827 with the benefit of a lot of platoon starts are a dime-a-dozen. That's why they play sporadically in the first place. That roster spot could be used much more effectively by having Braun, Vogt, and maybe Santana able to play 1b.

He played a grand total of 14 innings at 3b in the minors. Fielding grounders at 3b during warm-ups means nothing. Baseball reference has him as a -.7 dWAR for his career in about half a full-season's worth of total innings, so his sporadic pt is protecting him from being recognized for the bad defender he really is. I know dWAR stats will disagree but that sure jives with what I see in terms of range and agility. He has a decent glove and all, but so did Jeter and Rollins when they were the worst starting ss's in baseball.

What about the fact that he had an .OPS of .800 in the minors? That's horrendous for a slugging prospect. You really think his .827 OPS (which isn't even good) in 311 pa's this year is somehow more indicative of his skill than his 4000+ MiLB pa's? You're relying too much on the narrative of the season. The sun shined on his butt a few times in crucial ph appearances. Don't let it go to your head. Jason Rogers him as soon as you get a chance.


I don't think anyone is trying to say he's a superstar or anything. Just that a .837 OPS from a bench bat is fantastic, regardless of position. Aguilar ranked 20th out of 59 in OPS among 1b with no restrictions on PA or games. He's posting numbers in the Matt Adams, Matt Carpenter, Brandon Belt, etc range of player. Not everyone needs to be super versatile like Perez, we have guys like Perez so we can afford to have a guy that plays only 1b and puts up big time numbers for a bench bat. Aguilar is also around that 26-28 age range where guys tend to peak, so I'm not overly surprised that he's found something and is performing better than his minor league numbers.

If we were to get a Jason Rogers type offer, you absolutely consider it. I don't think we had any intention of trading Rogers at the time, but that offer was something we couldn't say no to.


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Posted: October 07, 2017, 11:45 AM Post
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KeithStone53151 said:
I don't think anyone is trying to say he's a superstar or anything. Just that a .837 OPS from a bench bat is fantastic, regardless of position. Aguilar ranked 20th out of 59 in OPS among 1b with no restrictions on PA or games. He's posting numbers in the Matt Adams, Matt Carpenter, Brandon Belt, etc range of player.


He got a lot of starts against lhp's and played in a lot of hitter's parks. Being 20th in the innings equivalent of half a season when so much is rigged in your favor means almost nothing when your track record is as bad as his. Guys like him are lucky to even be in the majors. Usually they're career minor-leaguers/Asia-leaguers like Matt Clark and Jason Rogers, both of whom were better players in the minors than Aguilar. Sure, he's in his prime, but that doesn't mean he can consistently hit better in the majors than he did as a full-time minor leaguer through his age 26 season (!!), with over 4000 pa's in the minors. He had some good ph homers in a small data set and it was fun, but there's no reason to think he'll be anything but a wasted roster spot next year.

Sorry but I think he's terrible and I will be disappointed if they don't find a much better way to use that roster spot while still having depth at 1b next year.


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Posted: October 07, 2017, 12:52 PM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Remember Craig Counsell who was essentially the same player as Sogard, actually had multi year contracts that paid him up to $2.8 million in his mid 30's.


Counsell had way better defense.


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