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Posted: October 05, 2018, 7:13 AM Post
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The bullpen this year has been awesome. One of the reasons the Crew is now in the playoffs.

Next year, I could see it being even better.

Imagine this: Barnes-Knebel-Jeffress for 7-8-9.
Hader, Woodruff, and Peralta as relief aces - able to go 2 dominant innings
Cedeno as the LOOGY
Guerra as the long man/swing.

Is it possible to create such a super-pen, and still have a very good rotation?


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 7:18 AM Post
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Barnes and "Super Pen" should never been in the same sentence.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 7:21 AM Post
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Barnes? No. Woodruff should be in the rotation too. All they need to do ti have q super pen is bring Soria back.

Rotation
nelson
Chacin
Burnes
Woodruff
Anderson if not traded otherwise Miley signs

Bullpen
Hader
Jeffress
Knebel
Soria
Cedeno
Guerra
Peralta


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 7:22 AM Post
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Im a bit confused. You talk about building a super pen and then you name our current bullpen.

How is this bullpen different then today's?


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 7:33 AM Post
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liveforoctober said:
Im a bit confused. You talk about building a super pen and then you name our current bullpen.

How is this bullpen different then today's?


The question isn't how, it is, that yes they are. We are exactly who we thought we are.

We are on to something with a strong pen, and I don't see that changing much next year!


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 7:38 AM Post
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Unless I've got Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman on my roster, I'd try not to count on the same names being in my Super-pen from year to year.

Having a super pen is obviously key, it's just tricky to write in who it might consist of. Even from April to June to August to October there can be many changes.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 7:42 AM Post
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I think there is an extremely good chance that Zach Brown is treated the same way Burnes was this year, and is brought up at some point mid-season next year to serve as a pen piece. Woodruff, Burnes, Brown, Webb ... this team has really hit it out of the park lately on drafted college arms.Hoping that Kirby and Rasmussen are next in line if they can get over the injury woes.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 7:43 AM Post
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Oxy said:
Unless I've got Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman on my roster, I'd try not to count on the same names being in my Super-pen from year to year.

Having a super pen is obviously key, it's just tricky to write in who it might consist of. Even from April to June to August to October there can be many changes.


Remember when Matt Albers looked unhittable back in April?


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 8:11 AM Post
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The challenge for recreating the depth of the 2018 pen is Barnes (& hopefully Woodruff) will be in the rotation.

We'll need to find solid mid-game power arms if we want to hope for anything like a repeat of the 2018 pen imo.

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Posted: October 05, 2018, 8:16 AM Post
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If Woodruff and Burnes (and possibly but probably not likely, Hader) are moved to the rotation, that really hurts the bullpen. Everyone gets excited about seeing those guys starting while generally ignoring the hit the bullpen takes. I don't know the right answer as to what to do with them.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 8:23 AM Post
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I am going to go out on a limb and assume our rotation/bullpen is going to be similar to what we trotted out in September that we have already rode to a division championship and is still riding a 9 game winning streak. I definitely could see Burnes moving to the rotation, but I bet Peralta/Woodruff both stay in the pen. I think the Brewers are going to continue to be a trend setter with their pen and starting rotation.

Nelson
Chacin
Burnes
Anderson
(someone)

Maybe Woodruff sets up in one of those rotation spots, but it might make more sense to have Davies/Miley/some else average-ish there. Have to pen loaded with dynamic multi inning relievers and maybe have your starters go short inning (5 or less) quite often. I mean why not? If you manage it everyone will be fresh all year and we have already proven this setup wins games.

Would it work over a long season? Would long stretches without a day off make it hard? I don't know...but end of the season I love it.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 8:30 AM Post
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The challenge for recreating the depth of the 2018 pen is Barnes (& hopefully Woodruff) will be in the rotation.

We'll need to find solid mid-game power arms if we want to hope for anything like a repeat of the 2018 pen imo.


I think Jordan Lyles is a darkhorse there. He's a power guy, and pitched very well when called upon by the Brewers, albeit in limited opportunities and non high-leverage spots. Also Adrian Houser seems primed to take a step next year.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 8:48 AM Post
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I think they have already said Burnes will be in the rotation and it also seems like the organization is high on Peralta as a starter going forward as well. Woodruff isn't so clear but it is maybe telling that he was out there yesterday and Chase/Davies were not. There is a lot to shake out with the pitching in the offseason, how this post season pans out will probably affect decisions as well. It sure is nice that the farm is finally churning out some good pitchers though.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 8:57 AM Post
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My prediction for starting rotation beginning 2019:

Nelson
Chacin
Burnes
Peralta
Woodruff

That is a rotation that has a chance to be special.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 9:10 AM Post
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My prediction for starting rotation beginning 2019:

Nelson
Chacin
Burnes
Peralta
Woodruff

That is a rotation that has a chance to be special.


I love that 3 of the 5 are Brewers' draftees, and 4 of 5 were developed by the team.

That said, I don't think they'll trade both Davies and Anderson, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them re-sign Miley and/or Gio. Can never have enough starting pitching depth, and as they have shown, a lot of these guys can be very valuable as multi-inning relievers. I've been a big advocate of moving Hader to the starting rotation, too, but with the philosophy this team has, he may be just as valuable in the role he's in.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 9:20 AM Post
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A team coming of a 96 win divison winning season is not going to be putting some who with injured all year (Nelson) and three newcomers (Peralta, Woodruff, and Burnes) into the rotation. Ignoring possible innings limits on some of those guys its just waaay to risky to do. I would be absolutely in shock if they went that direction. It would absolutely kill our depth because I have to imagine Anderson is definitely traded in that scenario...leaving Davies as the only guy in AAA. I don't believe Guerra has an option...but he may.

I just don't see such a move happening in real life. That is the kind of stuff I see on a video game or I see in a BP predicting our rotation 3 years from now. Logistically it never tends to work that way in reality.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 9:33 AM Post
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I think Jordan Lyles is a darkhorse there. He's a power guy, and pitched very well when called upon by the Brewers, albeit in limited opportunities and non high-leverage spots. Also Adrian Houser seems primed to take a step next year.

Yep, Lyles has been good for the most part. Has above-average stuff. I would be surprised if he's not back next year.

And Houser is out of options - he'll be part of the Brewers' staff next year unless he's traded or injured.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 9:35 AM Post
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in 2019 I'd like to see Woodruff and Burnes in the rotation and let Peralta, take Burnes role from this past season. This way we are keeping Peralta in the mix, and still giving him that valuable MLB experience. 2020 could be the year we see all three in the rotation to start the season.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 9:45 AM Post
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A team coming of a 96 win divison winning season is not going to be putting some who with injured all year (Nelson) and three newcomers (Peralta, Woodruff, and Burnes) into the rotation. Ignoring possible innings limits on some of those guys its just waaay to risky to do. I would be absolutely in shock if they went that direction. It would absolutely kill our depth because I have to imagine Anderson is definitely traded in that scenario...leaving Davies as the only guy in AAA. I don't believe Guerra has an option...but he may.

I just don't see such a move happening in real life. That is the kind of stuff I see on a video game or I see in a BP predicting our rotation 3 years from now. Logistically it never tends to work that way in reality.


Guerra will be in the pen if he isn't starting. I could see Anderson traded and signing a free agent and going with this:

Chacin
Free Agent
1 of Nelson/Davies
2 of Woodruff/Burnes/Peralta

So as backup plan, you have maybe one of Nelson/Davies and one of Woodruff/Burnes/Peralta. Then you have guys like Guerra and Lyles that have been starters in the pen for insurance. Wilkerson, Derby and Houser as extreme backups. And maybe someone like Z Brown potentially ready at midseason. If there is an issue, I would think we could survive until a July trade for a starter.

I don't see trading Davies as you will be selling dirt cheap low.


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Posted: October 05, 2018, 9:46 AM Post
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MrTPlush said:
A team coming of a 96 win divison winning season is not going to be putting some who with injured all year (Nelson) and three newcomers (Peralta, Woodruff, and Burnes) into the rotation. Ignoring possible innings limits on some of those guys its just waaay to risky to do. I would be absolutely in shock if they went that direction. It would absolutely kill our depth because I have to imagine Anderson is definitely traded in that scenario...leaving Davies as the only guy in AAA. I don't believe Guerra has an option...but he may.

I just don't see such a move happening in real life. That is the kind of stuff I see on a video game or I see in a BP predicting our rotation 3 years from now. Logistically it never tends to work that way in reality.


Peralta will get to around 150 innings this year and was already in the rotation for a good stretch. Burnes and Woodruff will only get about 120 but Burnes pitched 145 in 2017 and Woodruff 158 in 2016, does only 120 this year set them too far back in potential innings for next year? I really don't know. At some point you need to go with these guys or package one or 2 of them in a trade for an ace. But I do think they will have to earn it spring training so you have a point on the risk of letting Chase go, most likely only 2 of these guys start in the rotation. I am just not sure that these 3 guys are that big of a risk compared to the guys we threw out there this year, not that they were bad just think we could use some upgrades.


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