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Posted: October 18, 2018, 5:55 PM Post
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I think what most are getting at is that you seem kind of fixated just on Braun in a lot of posts as some crux of the problem, when he hasn't been near the worst. That's really I think the jist of it. And specific to this starting GRandy over him in one game will have made no difference in the current 3-2 deficit because they won the game anyway and Braun's hit was key to it. So why not focus on something that matters to this series. Your discussion would be more relevant if say they play Hous next with only one lefty starter.

Also, just realized when I did the L/R stats breakdown earlier that I had it in my head that Buehler was game 2, not game 3. So those numbers are off, whoops. But a reminder again on his postseason stats, simply adding in Yelich's two base running blunders drastically increases his OPS due to such a small sample. Those were hits. Your points on taking pitches and not taking walks is good though, that guy should have more than 1 walk in 8 games.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 6:01 PM Post
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Honestly if we're really looking at a way to get Granderson multiple at-bats in one of these games, it should probably be at the expense of out coldest hitter. And that player is likely to win the 2018 National League MVP. I know we're all waiting for Yelich to break out of it ... but time is running out.

But no, Braun isn't sitting. If he was comfortable getting a game in at 1B, though, we could play him there, and have the ice-cold Aguilar take a seat in one of these games.

Or I guess we'll just have to depend on Grandy to come up big in his final two at bats in the next two games.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 6:01 PM Post
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coolhandluke121 said:
Brew4U said:
coolhandluke121 said:

But all I said was he should start against RHP's (Buehler, basically).


Braun smoked Buehler. Doubled in his first at bat to give us a 1-0 lead in game #3.

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Every good thing Braun does is magnified 3x by people desperate to cling to the notion that he's still a good player.

Wrong. Again. This is just sour grapes to those calling you out.


The "only player to show up in both series" with an OPS under .700 is blatantly a pro-Braun bias. He has not been good. Case in point right here; one hard-hit double with a .558 OPS in the series proves me wrong? Okay. You are reaching to support a strong pro-Braun bias.

Aren't you the guy that was making the argument at the beginning of the season that Jared Hughes was more important to the team than Aguilar?


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 6:38 PM Post
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Man, I just really don't want the season to end tomorrow.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 6:54 PM Post
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Aren't you the guy that was making the argument at the beginning of the season that Jared Hughes was more important to the team than Aguilar?


I mean he quite literally had a higher WAR than Aguilar this year. Not that that has ANYTHING to do with this discussion.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 6:59 PM Post
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coolhandluke121 said:
82brewcrew82 said:
Aren't you the guy that was making the argument at the beginning of the season that Jared Hughes was more important to the team than Aguilar?


I mean he quite literally had a higher WAR than Aguilar this year. Not that that has ANYTHING to do with this discussion.

LOL, Ok.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 7:00 PM Post
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tmwiese55 said:
I think what most are getting at is that you seem kind of fixated just on Braun in a lot of posts as some crux of the problem, when he hasn't been near the worst.


Except I didn't even make a big deal of it. I said Granderson should have more than 3 plate appearances and get a start against the RHP. It's the Braun Police that have to overreact to anything like that who made a big deal of it. It's not a hot take, a mere symptom of Braun hate, or a fixation. There's sufficient evidence to support the argument. It's debatable at worst, but some people here are trying to turn any disloyalty to Braun into something sacrilegious.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 7:08 PM Post
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coolhandluke121 said:
tmwiese55 said:
I think what most are getting at is that you seem kind of fixated just on Braun in a lot of posts as some crux of the problem, when he hasn't been near the worst.


Except I didn't even make a big deal of it. I said Granderson should have more than 3 plate appearances and get a start against the RHP. It's the Braun Police that have to overreact to anything like that who made a big deal of it. It's not a hot take, a mere symptom of Braun hate, or a fixation. There's sufficient evidence to support the argument. It's debatable at worst, but some people here are trying to turn any disloyalty to Braun into something sacrilegious.


This isn't the only time you've pushed it and I think people remember your name easily haha, whereas many names just blend in. At least they do to me anyway, most of the time I have no idea who made what points when or any history. Yours stands out easily so I think that's a bigger part of it actually. Just my two cents that I think people have gotten an anti-Braun sentiment or push from you. And in this case he really hasn't been that bad just not good, especially compared to how awful the rest of the lineup has been. Everyone has been bad so I think it seems odd to single him out.

To the real point though, if they win tomorrow this actually becomes relevant. Start Braun in Game 7 or Grandy? I mean no way they don't start Braun especially considering he did get the double off him last game. I'd really be curious how much Braun has kept fresh at 1B, I bet not at all since Jesus became every day.

I was watching some MBL network earlier and they had Bauer from Cle on talking about pitching. And the examples they were showing just had me thinking it's crazy how many breaking balls our guys have been swinging at out of the zone, Braun included, almost like you could coach them to literally not swing at a curve until two strikes and it would probably have made a huge difference. He ws showing some ABs Hous had vs him and making points about how Ps just hate to see hitters spit on breaking balls out of the zone, like it almost rattles them a bit. Or at least gets their head spinning regarding what they hitter is looking for. Yes we have swung away over and over at curves in the dirt.

ETA: I forgot on the eye test D discussion. Yea, that's why they've tried to create these advanced stats to judge it as best as possible. And those have Grandy as awful, which you wrote off as not trusting and that you're test says he looks fine. So it can't go both ways.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 7:18 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Honestly if we're really looking at a way to get Granderson multiple at-bats in one of these games, it should probably be at the expense of out coldest hitter. And that player is likely to win the 2018 National League MVP. I know we're all waiting for Yelich to break out of it ... but time is running out.

But no, Braun isn't sitting. If he was comfortable getting a game in at 1B, though, we could play him there, and have the ice-cold Aguilar take a seat in one of these games.

Or I guess we'll just have to depend on Grandy to come up big in his final two at bats in the next two games.


I agree. We need to play the guys who are making hard contact regardless of the name on the back of their jersey.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 7:19 PM Post
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coolhandluke121 said:
tmwiese55 said:
I think what most are getting at is that you seem kind of fixated just on Braun in a lot of posts as some crux of the problem, when he hasn't been near the worst.


Except I didn't even make a big deal of it. I said Granderson should have more than 3 plate appearances and get a start against the RHP. It's the Braun Police that have to overreact to anything like that who made a big deal of it. It's not a hot take, a mere symptom of Braun hate, or a fixation. There's sufficient evidence to support the argument. It's debatable at worst, but some people here are trying to turn any disloyalty to Braun into something sacrilegious.


Braun is hitting the ball reasonably well. Why would he be the guy to sit?


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 7:20 PM Post
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coolhandluke121 said:
tmwiese55 said:
I think what most are getting at is that you seem kind of fixated just on Braun in a lot of posts as some crux of the problem, when he hasn't been near the worst.


Except I didn't even make a big deal of it. I said Granderson should have more than 3 plate appearances and get a start against the RHP. It's the Braun Police that have to overreact to anything like that who made a big deal of it. It's not a hot take, a mere symptom of Braun hate, or a fixation. There's sufficient evidence to support the argument. It's debatable at worst, but some people here are trying to turn any disloyalty to Braun into something sacrilegious.



This is your evidence:

Braun has been swinging away at the first pitch at the worst possible time on a regular basis and has taken 58 pitches this series by my count. That's less than 3 per plate appearance. Granderson is a more disciplined hitter whose approach translates better to postseason baseball, and even his regular season production has been every bit as good as Braun's for 2 years now. He's taken 17 pitches in just 3 appearances, made good contact on a regular basis, and nearly came up with one of the greatest clutch HR's in Brewers history in his first at-bat. He also has a lot more experience in RF than Braun, allowing Yelich to stay in LF.

It's not very convincing because it's all based on teeny, tiny samples. The team as a whole hasn't taken a lot of pitches so it stands to reason that's by design - attack early in the count. And if your argument is that a guy one time nearly hit a clutch home run so he should now start then I don't know what to tell ya.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 7:31 PM Post
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"The team as a whole hasn't taken a lot of pitches so it stands to reason that's by design - attack early in the count."

Yea I think I agree with this and I agree that it was likely the wrong move coaching wise. Kind of gets into what I said about Bauer on MLB network. It sure seems like that has been the gameplan and it seems wrong. Best example is Cain, he's been so heavy on taking pitches all year then this series he's done the opposite, it had to be pushed that way. Until last game and he shockingly had his only good game. I really hope they move on from Coles this year, I don't wanna be a hot take blame just one guy or anything. So it's not like I'm screaming to fire him but I think it's time for a change up


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 7:56 PM Post
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Sit Ryan Braun? The absurdity has reached all time highs. The TEAM isn't hitting.

Now if we want to talk about guys that shouldn't see the field, why did Schoop see an entire game's worth of hideous at bats for the first time in 10 days as Travis Shaw warmed the bench? There was ample opportunity to PH for him as well later in the game.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 7:56 PM Post
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Man, I just really don't want the season to end tomorrow.


I have a very bad feeling about our offense. This isn’t working and I feel like running the same guys out there in the same order is the definition of insanity.

On the other hand this team did just win 12 straight, all pressure packed games.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 8:03 PM Post
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Baseball is a funny game. Things can go 180 degrees in a day. Nothing to do but enjoy another day and hope they figure something out. They hit this guy last time. They can do it again.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 8:27 PM Post
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Baseball is a funny game. Things can go 180 degrees in a day. Nothing to do but enjoy another day and hope they figure something out. They hit this guy last time. They can do it again.


Yup. And try remember how absurd it would be during the regular season to overreact to 3ish game sample sizes that sweeping changes need to be made. Sometimes you just have to ride things out and hope for corrections to the mean.


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Posted: October 18, 2018, 8:41 PM Post
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Sit Ryan Braun? The absurdity has reached all time highs. The TEAM isn't hitting.

Now if we want to talk about guys that shouldn't see the field, why did Schoop see an entire game's worth of hideous at bats for the first time in 10 days as Travis Shaw warmed the bench? There was ample opportunity to PH for him as well later in the game.


I mean I get trying to shake things up but I don't see Granderson over Braun as the answer.

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Posted: October 18, 2018, 9:56 PM Post
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OldSchoolSnapper said:
Baseball is a funny game. Things can go 180 degrees in a day. Nothing to do but enjoy another day and hope they figure something out. They hit this guy last time. They can do it again.


Very hard for fans like us to accept, but oh so true. We want to constantly fix things after a small sample. The real answer is what people dont want to hear. Yelich and Cain carried the offense all year and all you can do is hope they get hot. As you said, that can happen in a day.

Braun plays, Moose plays. Perez or Shaw vs LH starter, at this point Im fine either way. Really the only change I would even consider is what I mentioned a couple days ago. Santana in RF, Braun to 1B.


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Posted: October 19, 2018, 3:55 AM Post
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From The Athletic, ‘Something looks a little bit off’: In a postseason of paranoia, some Brewers suspect the Dodgers are stealing signs

Here is an excerpt:

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The article is behind a paywall so I can’t post the entire thing, but here are a couple more lines from the article:

...“They use video people to get sequences,” one Brewers source said of the Dodgers. “It’s known throughout the league. MLB knows it’s an issue.”

Said another: “It’s one thing if your signs suck and the runner on second base can tell, but when you have a video person trained on the signs, that’s not right.”
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...In numerous cases, the Brewers have used multiple signs despite Los Angeles having no runners on base. “That’s a dead giveaway they think something is up,” one rival executive said....

...Brewers personnel believe that, despite their fears, the Dodgers haven’t been able to completely figure their signs out. “It’s more [that they] think [they] have them,” says one. And it’s easier to pick up on signs for some pitchers than others....


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They throw fastballs 118% of the time, not sure you need to steal signs.


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