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Posted: November 03, 2018, 11:33 AM Post
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He was the Cubs assistant hitting coach last season.

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/10 ... 0387100672

"You're not going to have him when you want him and you're going to run out of games. He can't pitch 90 games. It's just not going to work. If anyone thinks it's going to work, show me how."- Craig Counsell on Josh Hader.


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 11:43 AM Post
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Haines is very progressive from an analytics standpoint. Seems like a good hire/good fit.

To wit, here’s the last thing he retweeted: https://twitter.com/jasonochart/status/ ... 40193?s=21


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 11:49 AM Post
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adding another analytics guy guess this is putting a stamp on what DS is looking for .


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 11:51 AM Post
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The hitting coach on a team that had hitters regress tremendously?

This doesn't make me feel that great.


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 11:56 AM Post
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turborickey said:
The hitting coach on a team that had hitters regress tremendously?

This doesn't make me feel that great.

He worked with Christian Yelich as a coach in the Marlins’ minor league system. That seemed to turn out ok.


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 12:04 PM Post
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I've always thought hitting coaches have minimal impact to the teams offense. However, it would be nice if we could teach a few players to not swing at balls in the dirt or are a foot outside.

I'm guessing this guy will be able to provide some behind the scenes insight which might help our pitching.


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 12:09 PM Post
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I'll wait to hear what he has to say at a press conference and then read into every word he says.


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I think hitting coaches get too much credit for team hitting success, and too much blame for team hitting failure.


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turborickey said:
The hitting coach on a team that had hitters regress tremendously?

This doesn't make me feel that great.


Not the hitting coach, the assistant hitting coach.

Cubs batters 2017 | 108 wRC+
Cubs batters 2018 | 107 wRC+

How much of that one point decrease in wRC+ can we confidently attribute to the assistant hitting coach?


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 1:25 PM Post
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Last time they plucked a guy from the Cubs coaching ranks and gave him a promotion in position it was DJ, that turned out okay. Hopefully Haines can have a positive impact on our guys the way DJ did.

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Posted: November 03, 2018, 2:08 PM Post
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Good hire! (I think)

It is good to get everyone on the same page in terms of analytics. I'll be interested in seeing if Stearns brings in another high contact/high batting average hitter ala Cain/Yelich. The 3TO guys are good to have in a few spots in the lineup, but too many of them really kill rallies & comebacks etc, especially in the postseason.

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Posted: November 03, 2018, 5:36 PM Post
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KCBrewerfan34 said:
I've always thought hitting coaches have minimal impact to the teams offense. However, it would be nice if we could teach a few players to not swing at balls in the dirt or are a foot outside.

I'm guessing this guy will be able to provide some behind the scenes insight which might help our pitching.


Maybe I'm wrong but I think hitting coaches help fix mechanics or change the type of swing somewhat but strike zone judgement is more on the player than the coach. I just can't see many coaches teaching them to swing at garbage.

There needs to be a King Thames version of the bible.


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 6:22 PM Post
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I think Counsell deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one. He did a good job hiring his initial staff. I was thinking they would bring in Hinske. I’m much more interested in who they bring in as pitching coach. Not sure how much the hitting coach moves the needle day by day over the course of the season.


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 8:05 PM Post
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KCBrewerfan34 said:
I've always thought hitting coaches have minimal impact to the teams offense. However, it would be nice if we could teach a few players to not swing at balls in the dirt or are a foot outside.

I'm guessing this guy will be able to provide some behind the scenes insight which might help our pitching.


Maybe I'm wrong but I think hitting coaches help fix mechanics or change the type of swing somewhat but strike zone judgement is more on the player than the coach. I just can't see many coaches teaching them to swing at garbage.


Kinda depends on the age of the player. A young guy may have not seen enough different types of pitches/ spins/ arm angles/ etc. so he is more easily fooled by big league pitching. Teaching a young player to recognize how he is being fooled is a pretty big aspect of being a hitting coach.

On this team that basically means that Arcia is the only guy really still "coachable" in a true teaching sense--and perhaps Aguilar.

I would prefer that a good teacher like that would be at Wisconsin or Carolina rather than the big league club--but again, minor league pitching might not actually be good enough to consistently fool batters based on a scouting report as most pitchers are working on their own stuff rather than worrying about the scouting report of the hitter.


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 8:10 PM Post
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turborickey said:
The hitting coach on a team that had hitters regress tremendously?

This doesn't make me feel that great.


Not the hitting coach, the assistant hitting coach.

Cubs batters 2017 | 108 wRC+
Cubs batters 2018 | 107 wRC+

How much of that one point decrease in wRC+ can we confidently attribute to the assistant hitting coach?


Cubs batters in 2017: 223 HR 822 Runs Scored 1,401 K's

Cubs batters in 2018: 167 HR 761 Runs Scored 1,388 K's

I believe only the Orioles had more games where they scored 1 run or less than the 2018 Cubs


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 8:13 PM Post
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Kris Bryant played 50 less games last year. I’m sure that plays into those stats a bit.


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 8:15 PM Post
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Haynes was with the Cubs for longer that last year I believe while all their guys were developing. I think he’s a pretty solid hire for as much as a hitting coach can possibly matter.


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 9:14 PM Post
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I don't even know who the Brewers assistant hitting instructor is...or if they have one. Anyone giving this dude credit or blame for anything the Cubs did or didn't do is really pushing an agenda.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: November 03, 2018, 9:22 PM Post
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I don't even know who the Brewers assistant hitting instructor is...or if they have one. Anyone giving this dude credit or blame for anything the Cubs did or didn't do is really pushing an agenda.


There used to be a phrase "paralysis by analysis." Not en vogue these days. Especially on the internet.


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Posted: November 04, 2018, 6:47 AM Post
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homer said:
I don't even know who the Brewers assistant hitting instructor is...or if they have one. Anyone giving this dude credit or blame for anything the Cubs did or didn't do is really pushing an agenda.

Last season it was Jason Lane, I do agree with your larger point. I’m sure Craig met with him, liked his approach and hired him. Can’t really look at the cubs performance for any benchmark.


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