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Posted: November 04, 2018, 9:37 AM Post
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Not sure the hitting coach has anything to do with this, but would really like to see Brewer hitters show a little more patience at the plate after following a guy who just walked on 4 or 5 pitches.


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Not sure the hitting coach has anything to do with this, but would really like to see Brewer hitters show a little more patience at the plate after following a guy who just walked on 4 or 5 pitches.

While I agree, didn't Yelich hit better when being more aggressive earlier in the count?


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Samurai Bucky said:
Patrick425 said:
Not sure the hitting coach has anything to do with this, but would really like to see Brewer hitters show a little more patience at the plate after following a guy who just walked on 4 or 5 pitches.

While I agree, didn't Yelich hit better when being more aggressive earlier in the count?


Yes and it was on purpose. The theory is that pitchers are more likely to throw in the zone early in the count. Rather than wait for the pitcher's "out" pitch you attack early. It can be frustrating to see guys ground out on the first or second pitch but obviously can't quibble with Yelich's results.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: November 04, 2018, 1:09 PM Post
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homer said:
Samurai Bucky said:
Patrick425 said:
Not sure the hitting coach has anything to do with this, but would really like to see Brewer hitters show a little more patience at the plate after following a guy who just walked on 4 or 5 pitches.

While I agree, didn't Yelich hit better when being more aggressive earlier in the count?


Yes and it was on purpose. The theory is that pitchers are more likely to throw in the zone early in the count. Rather than wait for the pitcher's "out" pitch you attack early. It can be frustrating to see guys ground out on the first or second pitch but obviously can't quibble with Yelich's results.



I don't mind being aggressive early when the pitcher is throwing strikes, but when the pitcher just walked the last guy on 4 straight pitches or 5 pitches and showing signs of not having great control, I don't get it. I may be imagining it, but it seems like I saw this a lot this year.


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Posted: November 04, 2018, 2:45 PM Post
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Patrick425 said:
I don't mind being aggressive early when the pitcher is throwing strikes, but when the pitcher just walked the last guy on 4 straight pitches or 5 pitches and showing signs of not having great control, I don't get it. I may be imagining it, but it seems like I saw this a lot this year.


I am very much not on board with this. The theory here is that if a pitcher is wild and not throwing strikes that when he does throw strikes he is going to be "wild in the zone." Major league hitters need to be trusted in this scenario to hunt their pitch. I 100% agree with you that if the pitcher goes from 4+ balls in a row to a nasty pitch on the black, you don't need to be swinging on that. But if hitters are going up their hunting a certain pitch and they get it, I absolutely want them to swinging at it.

Taking pitches in your nitro zone just because the previous pitches have been wild is a good way to give the pitcher the advantage back that you have just gained.


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Do we really want someone from a second place team?


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Do we really want someone from a second place team?


[laughing] love it!


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Posted: November 05, 2018, 9:04 AM Post
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Good hire! (I think)

It is good to get everyone on the same page in terms of analytics. I'll be interested in seeing if Stearns brings in another high contact/high batting average hitter ala Cain/Yelich. The 3TO guys are good to have in a few spots in the lineup, but too many of them really kill rallies & comebacks etc, especially in the postseason.


If the Brewers are able to lock Stearns up long-term, I would imagine that over time our franchise would be filled with more "all around" players who make contact, get on base, and play good defense. Melvin liked guys with one "tool" that really stood out, and that's doesn't seem to be what Stearns likes. It will take a while to re-stock a system, but we're making our way through the process, trading away guys who don't fit and acquiring guys who do. I agree that Stearns will look to add more of these guys to the MLB roster this off-season, but who we acquire (draft, trade, etc) on the farm is important as well.

To the topic of the thread, I wonder how much influence the MLB hitting/pitching coaches have on how players are coached in the minors. I can't imagine that every minor league coach gets complete discretion to do whatever he wants with his players, especially the top prospects. It's important to get guys at the top who are aligned with the long-term strategy of the owner/GM so that the guys coming up from the farm will be the ones they want filling out the roster.

If Haines is an "analytics guy," it could mean good things for the future if he can coach his coaches in what the Brewers are looking for to get guys to advance through the system.

"The most successful (people) know that performance over the long haul is what counts. If you can seize the day, great. But never forget that there are days yet to come."

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homer said:
Samurai Bucky said:
Patrick425 said:
Not sure the hitting coach has anything to do with this, but would really like to see Brewer hitters show a little more patience at the plate after following a guy who just walked on 4 or 5 pitches.

While I agree, didn't Yelich hit better when being more aggressive earlier in the count?


Yes and it was on purpose. The theory is that pitchers are more likely to throw in the zone early in the count. Rather than wait for the pitcher's "out" pitch you attack early. It can be frustrating to see guys ground out on the first or second pitch but obviously can't quibble with Yelich's results.


And that's a sound theory...that Yelich did feast off of. You have to be selective and look for your pitch though, especially if a pitcher is struggling with command. You shouldn't be swinging at a breaking pitch in the dirt of a letter high fastball if the guy in front of you walked on 4 or 5 pitches.

Hitting coach is kinda whatever. I would think the Cubs players get the most blame for lack of results, followed by the hitting coach, with the assistant hitting coach getting little to no blame. If CC likes his philosophy and approach, fine sign him. It's probably good for hitters to get a fresh perspective every so often rather than stick with the same guy year after year.


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homer said:
Yes and it was on purpose. The theory is that pitchers are more likely to throw in the zone early in the count. Rather than wait for the pitcher's "out" pitch you attack early. It can be frustrating to see guys ground out on the first or second pitch but obviously can't quibble with Yelich's results.


And that's a sound theory...that Yelich did feast off of. You have to be selective and look for your pitch though, especially if a pitcher is struggling with command. You shouldn't be swinging at a breaking pitch in the dirt of a letter high fastball if the guy in front of you walked on 4 or 5 pitches.

Hitting coach is kinda whatever. I would think the Cubs players get the most blame for lack of results, followed by the hitting coach, with the assistant hitting coach getting little to no blame. If CC likes his philosophy and approach, fine sign him. It's probably good for hitters to get a fresh perspective every so often rather than stick with the same guy year after year.


I remember listening to a Ned Yost interview after the Royals won the World Series, and that was exactly what he preached. He said that in today's game, hitters are told to work the count. Pitchers know this, so they know they can throw strikes early with their secondary stuff to get ahead in the count, saving their best pitch for the strikeout when the hitter needs to protect. He felt that by being aggressive early, his hitters could swing at pitches that were easier to hit.


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