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Posted: December 01, 2018, 11:10 AM Post
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AdvantageSchneider said:
I'm a little surprised X-man is gone. I guess this means the Brewers are getting out of the LOOGY business. Bullpen needs guys that can get out lefties and righties and preferably can go more than one inning.


I doubt they are opposed to LOOGY's. They are opposed to ineffective LOOGY's. A good GM also needs to protect a team from it's manager, i.e. if Counsell has a LOOGY, he is going to go to him, no matter how inconsistent he might be (FWIW pretty much any other MLB manager would have done the same thing)

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Posted: December 01, 2018, 11:22 AM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
[I am very surprised that he was non-tendered, given how the Brewers like to play matchups, and the dearth of lefty relievers currently available but on the roster and in the upper minors. Right now not only is Hader the only non-injured lefty on the active roster, ...

It wouldn't surprise me to see them go after a lefty starter, and at least 1-2 lefty relief arms, along with several minor league free agent NRI-types. If I'm a lefty reliever looking for a job, the Brewers have to be a prime candidate.


I hope the goal is to find something better and not to go into the season with 11 RHP's on the roster. I can understand why they'd want lots of relievers who can go multiple innings, and I can see the logic in saving a roster spot for guys with more upside, like Williams. But when all is said and done, if you look up and Hader is the only LHP in the pen, you're going to have a problem with match-ups. Even if every RHP reliever you keep is more valuable than Cedeno in a vacuum, that would constitute failing to see the forest for the trees.

Another thing is that even though you don't get a lot of use out of LOOGY's, just the threat of having one is a factor opponents have to consider when making their lineups. Start the season with a pen of Knebel, JJ, Williams, Barnes, Woodruff, Guerra, and Hader and opponents will have too much freedom in where they put their LHB's in their lineup on those many nights when Hader is unavailable.


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Posted: December 01, 2018, 11:23 AM Post
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3and2Fastball said:
AdvantageSchneider said:
I'm a little surprised X-man is gone. I guess this means the Brewers are getting out of the LOOGY business. Bullpen needs guys that can get out lefties and righties and preferably can go more than one inning.


I doubt they are opposed to LOOGY's. They are opposed to ineffective LOOGY's.


What does that have to do with Cedeno or Jennings?


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Posted: December 01, 2018, 12:39 PM Post
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If it wasn't obvious before, it should be now. They're moving away from specialists and one out guys. This post is not directed at anyone specific.


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Posted: December 01, 2018, 1:11 PM Post
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I think they will look to pickup a LOOGY later in the season if they feel they need one. I think this is an ok move because those guys did not have options.


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Posted: December 02, 2018, 8:29 PM Post
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I think the Brewers will be getting left-handed relief pitchers, but I wonder, with the money cleared by letting Schoop go, if Andrew Miller may be a target.

Jeffress, Knebel, Hader, Miller, Peralta would make for the heart of a devastating bullpen.


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Posted: December 03, 2018, 7:27 PM Post
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clancy, I doubt Miller is a target. I've read the Mets and Yankees both connected with him


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Posted: December 04, 2018, 8:47 AM Post
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DHonks said:
clancy, I doubt Miller is a target. I've read the Mets and Yankees both connected with him


The Brewers would be smart to add him to the pen. Three years, $18 million.

Why settle for one Hader when you can have two?


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Posted: December 04, 2018, 8:57 AM Post
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the one downside to Miller is his recent injuries.


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Posted: December 04, 2018, 2:52 PM Post
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I doubt Miller can he had at 3 years and 18 million... Highly doubtful.


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Posted: December 06, 2018, 9:17 AM Post
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coolhandluke121 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
[I am very surprised that he was non-tendered, given how the Brewers like to play matchups, and the dearth of lefty relievers currently available but on the roster and in the upper minors. Right now not only is Hader the only non-injured lefty on the active roster, ...

It wouldn't surprise me to see them go after a lefty starter, and at least 1-2 lefty relief arms, along with several minor league free agent NRI-types. If I'm a lefty reliever looking for a job, the Brewers have to be a prime candidate.


I hope the goal is to find something better and not to go into the season with 11 RHP's on the roster. I can understand why they'd want lots of relievers who can go multiple innings, and I can see the logic in saving a roster spot for guys with more upside, like Williams. But when all is said and done, if you look up and Hader is the only LHP in the pen, you're going to have a problem with match-ups. Even if every RHP reliever you keep is more valuable than Cedeno in a vacuum, that would constitute failing to see the forest for the trees.

Another thing is that even though you don't get a lot of use out of LOOGY's, just the threat of having one is a factor opponents have to consider when making their lineups. Start the season with a pen of Knebel, JJ, Williams, Barnes, Woodruff, Guerra, and Hader and opponents will have too much freedom in where they put their LHB's in their lineup on those many nights when Hader is unavailable.


I think that's 100 pct backwards. If you keep a soft tossing left handed specialist who can only go 1 hitter at a time in close situations and only gives you 30 innings a year over a hard throwing, far more talented right hander JUST because he's a left hander, that's failing to see the forest for the trees. You keep the more valuable players, the better players. Cedeno is just nothing special. He does his job and he gets out lefties and he's not the type of guy I'm against having, but not at the expense of Taylor Williams...or even Jacob Barnes.


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Posted: December 06, 2018, 9:20 AM Post
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turborickey said:
I doubt Miller can he had at 3 years and 18 million... Highly doubtful.



Agreed. If this was one yaer ago he'd be looking at 3 years 40 million. From what I've read he's open to a 1 year deal...I'd guess in the 10 million dollar range to prove he's still healthy and effective before signing next year for multiple years.

But if you can get him done for even close to 3/18, I'd do that in a heart beat.


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