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Posted: December 02, 2018, 10:40 PM Post
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Noche said:
trwi7 said:
JosephC said:
Josh Hader in 2018 (age 24 season) = 81 1/3 innings, 2.43 ERA, 168 ERA+, 2.23 FIP, 0.81 WHIP, 4.0 H/9, 1.0 HR/9, 3.3 BB/9, 15.8 K/9
Edwin Diaz in 2018 (age 24 season) = 73 1/3 innings, 1.96 ERA, 208 ERA+, 1.61 FIP, 0.79 WHIP, 5.0 H/9, 0.6 HR/9, 2.1 BB/9, 15.2 K/9


They're getting Diaz at his absolute peak value, something he's probably not going to replicate again and now are stuck with Cano through his age 41 season. This is hardly a win for the Mets.


A player doesn’t have to have their peak season to be a difference maker. Diaz figures to be very good to elite through his controllable years. And many teams would love to be stuck with a hitter like Cano. You are off base here unless you can provide some more detail to why you think this.


Diaz is not a difference maker if he pitches like he did in 2017 and with how volatile relievers are, that's probably just as likely as repeating 2018. How many teams would love to be stuck paying Cano $20 million in his age 38-40 seasons?

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Offline  Re: Robinson Cano and Edwin Diaz Traded to Mets
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Posted: December 02, 2018, 10:56 PM Post
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trwi7 said:
JosephC said:
Josh Hader in 2018 (age 24 season) = 81 1/3 innings, 2.43 ERA, 168 ERA+, 2.23 FIP, 0.81 WHIP, 4.0 H/9, 1.0 HR/9, 3.3 BB/9, 15.8 K/9
Edwin Diaz in 2018 (age 24 season) = 73 1/3 innings, 1.96 ERA, 208 ERA+, 1.61 FIP, 0.79 WHIP, 5.0 H/9, 0.6 HR/9, 2.1 BB/9, 15.2 K/9


They're getting Diaz at his absolute peak value, something he's probably not going to replicate again and now are stuck with Cano through his age 41 season. This is hardly a win for the Mets.

The Mets are hoping to get 2-3 more good years out of Cano while their rotation is in place and Diaz being one of the best closers in the games as they try to get into the playoff, and then advance once there.

They still have time to add a little more to their roster. Obviously though, the health of that rotation through the season will play a big factor.


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Posted: December 03, 2018, 8:29 AM Post
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trwi7 said:
JosephC said:
Josh Hader in 2018 (age 24 season) = 81 1/3 innings, 2.43 ERA, 168 ERA+, 2.23 FIP, 0.81 WHIP, 4.0 H/9, 1.0 HR/9, 3.3 BB/9, 15.8 K/9
Edwin Diaz in 2018 (age 24 season) = 73 1/3 innings, 1.96 ERA, 208 ERA+, 1.61 FIP, 0.79 WHIP, 5.0 H/9, 0.6 HR/9, 2.1 BB/9, 15.2 K/9


They're getting Diaz at his absolute peak value, something he's probably not going to replicate again and now are stuck with Cano through his age 41 season. This is hardly a win for the Mets.

How do you know that 2017 wasn't the outlier? In 2016 he had 15.3 K/9 and 5.87 K/BB and FIP of 2.04, and in 2018 he had 15.2 K/9, 7.29 K/BB, and 1.61 FIP.

2017 looks like more of an outlier to me, and the 10 HRs he gave up in 2017 could easily be noise and not the signal.


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Posted: December 03, 2018, 8:49 AM Post
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Trade is good for both teams, though it's always scary as a fan to be doing both things that are happening. M's are scrapping it to rebuild, a good idea in this case, but there's always the risk of a decade in the doldrums. You can't blame the Mets for going for it with the pitching staff they have, but they probably have a 2 year window with 2 other teams that are great in the division and the Nats aren't 100% dead.

The only "loss" of the trade is the Mets taking on Cano's money without getting more relief even with Bruce, Swarzak, $20 million...which the Mariners probably held them to the fire for. The Mets may likely just be paying Cano to rot in a utility role for 3 years after deGrom/Thor/etc. are gone or the team is weakened...a risk they're willing to live with, I guess.


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Posted: December 06, 2018, 12:44 PM Post
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There was an article on The Ringer today discussing the demolition of the Mariners that included an interesting tidbit about Jack Z that I don't recall hearing before. It sounds like he sold the Mariners a bill of goods. We are very fortunate to have David Stearns at the helm.

A decade ago, the Mariners replaced Bavasi with Brewers scouting director Jack Zduriencik, who promised a blend of old-school scouting expertise and forward-looking sabermetric thinking, presenting the Mariners with a job application full of advanced statistical analysis.

In 2013, Tony Blengino, who worked under Zduriencik in both Milwaukee and Seattle, told the Seattle Times that the whole thing had been a fiction, authored by Blengino on Zduriencik’s behalf, and that Zduriencik had misrepresented himself in his interviews with the Mariners.

“Jack portrayed himself as a scouting/stats hybrid because that’s what he needed to get the job,” Blengino told the Times. “But Jack never has understood one iota about statistical analysis. To this day, he evaluates hitters by homers, RBI and batting average and pitchers by wins and ERA. Statistical analysis was foreign to him. But he knew he needed it to get in the door.”


https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/12/6 ... edwin-diaz


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