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Posted: December 05, 2018, 4:37 PM Post
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A Swing and A Drive said:
Brewer equilavent offer would be Woodruff, Nottingham, Dubon and a Comp Pick.

Factor in that the Cardinals will 100% offer Goldschmidt a qualifying offer and get a better draft pick then the one they just gave up and this is an absolute steal IMO.


Woodruff > Weaver by a very wide margin. Kelly > Nottingham, but not by much. Kelly is seriously terrible at hitting right now. Dubon is much more highly rated than the prospect, so that's not a fair comp either.

I like the Davies to Weaver comp. That's much better than the Woodruff comp.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 4:39 PM Post
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Count me in the camp that would've preferred to beat this offer. But keep in mind we would've needed a much different structure than the comp ones being proposed here because Jesus almost certainly would've been in it, so that would've changed the whole dynamic.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 5:07 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
A Swing and A Drive said:
Brewer equilavent offer would be Woodruff, Nottingham, Dubon and a Comp Pick.

Factor in that the Cardinals will 100% offer Goldschmidt a qualifying offer and get a better draft pick then the one they just gave up and this is an absolute steal IMO.


Woodruff has more upside than soft-tossing Weaver. I think Davies is a better comp. I agree that the Cards made a terrific trade, and Goldy is a guy in my mind that would have looked great in the Brewers lineup. Swing and a miss from our front office [sad]


Did our front office even step into the batter's box to take a swing?


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 5:08 PM Post
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Initial thought is that the deal is a good one for the Cardinals.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 5:09 PM Post
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This is going to hurt...


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 5:13 PM Post
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This is going to hurt...


Yep ... I know the Brewers aren't likely to sit on their hands all offseason, but it has been frustrating so far. There are holes on this team that need filling.

I keep telling myself ... patience ... patience. They better hope Aguilar is the real deal, and not a half-year flash in the pan. Because they could have added a legit superstar 1B in a contention year for a solid value.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 5:26 PM Post
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I miss last offseason when it seemed like the majority of National League teams weren’t that interested in improving their teams.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 5:33 PM Post
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While the Cardinals are giving up a pick, they are also likely to receive a higher draft pick than the one they gave up assuming Goldschmidt signs elsewhere and the Cardinals give him a qualifying offer.

Cards' fans wear jorts.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 5:40 PM Post
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Goldschmidt was an easy player to root for, and now he's a Cardinal. That sucks...


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 6:09 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
What would be the Brewers equivalent package? Davies, Nottingham, and Tucker Neuhaus maybe? Seems really underwhelming for an MVP candidate.


Davies and Nottingham were exactly who I thought off too. I figured they would get much more in return. Arguably best 1st baseman in baseball.


Carson Kelly is a solid defensive catcher, profiling better defensively than Nottingham. But the values shouldn't be all that much dissimilar.


That isn't the problem with the comparison. I mean I think Kelly is a better prospect than Nottingham, but not by a lot. I know I would value Weaver much much more highly than Davies due to ceiling. Weaver obviously had a terrible year last year, but 5 years of a guy with his potential is worth a lot more than Davies. To me at least, and I imagine to scouts as well.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 6:14 PM Post
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well lets see what moves DS has in his back pocket.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 6:15 PM Post
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Also, Weaver isn't a soft-tosser. Not sure where that's coming from.

Edit: I definitely like this trade for the Cardinals though. Weaver could still be a very good one. Glad to see him gone.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 6:24 PM Post
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The Cardinals just got quite a bit better for 2019. That is not good.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 6:38 PM Post
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I agree with the Weaver- Woodruff comp. Honestly, I don't think the Brewers are looking at 1B as an area to upgrade. Fair deal on both ends imo. The Central just got more interesting.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 7:21 PM Post
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If the Brewers are giving up Woodruff ++, they could probably "spend" it on something more needed than a 1B upgrade. Unless they expect Aguilar to really fall off a cliff.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 7:46 PM Post
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Woof.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 7:54 PM Post
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I agree with the Weaver- Woodruff comp. Honestly, I don't think the Brewers are looking at 1B as an area to upgrade. Fair deal on both ends imo. The Central just got more interesting.


Weaver is a very skinny, slight pitcher who averages about 93 MPH on his fastball. I think the Davies comp is a better fit.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 7:57 PM Post
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It stinks that a division rival has upgraded. However, if we picked up Goldschmidt, it is possible we would be maxed out on payroll. We have much more pressing needs to address.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 8:01 PM Post
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It stinks that a division rival has upgraded. However, if we picked up Goldschmidt, it is possible we would be maxed out on payroll. We have much more pressing needs to address.


The only way a Goldschmidt acquisition would make sense is if they had a team(s) interested in acquiring Aguilar and Thames. Who knows if those teams even exist? But it's fun to dream on having a bat like Goldschmidt in the middle of the Brewers' lineup.


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Posted: December 05, 2018, 8:08 PM Post
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My parents live in Arizona in the winter and I visited them over Thanksgiving. I stopped into a Dick's Sporting Goods and wandered into the Diamondbacks section. They had jerseys on the wall for Goldschmidt, Corbin, Pollock, and Greinke and no one else.

Come spring training it's likely all 4 will be gone.


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