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Posted: June 28, 2019, 6:07 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
Sorry but a rotation of Wilkerson and Houser means we are fighting for 3rd and selling off.


Burnes Nelson Peralta (as a starter) Chacin have been problematic. You got to find something that sticks. Low 4 era sticks. Wilkerson has been a starter forever. He has always struggled in relief and always been good as a starter. He's absolutely a AAAA guy. He's not going to set the world on fire. However, he could be a Fiers.


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Posted: June 28, 2019, 6:48 PM Post
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TJseven7 said:
Brew4U said:
Sorry but a rotation of Wilkerson and Houser means we are fighting for 3rd and selling off.


Burnes Nelson Peralta (as a starter) Chacin have been problematic. You got to find something that sticks. Low 4 era sticks. Wilkerson has been a starter forever. He has always struggled in relief and always been good as a starter. He's absolutely a AAAA guy. He's not going to set the world on fire. However, he could be a Fiers.


I just don’t see it. Guy doesn’t even look like he belongs on the 40-man to me.


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Posted: June 28, 2019, 11:30 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
TJseven7 said:
Brew4U said:
Sorry but a rotation of Wilkerson and Houser means we are fighting for 3rd and selling off.


Burnes Nelson Peralta (as a starter) Chacin have been problematic. You got to find something that sticks. Low 4 era sticks. Wilkerson has been a starter forever. He has always struggled in relief and always been good as a starter. He's absolutely a AAAA guy. He's not going to set the world on fire. However, he could be a Fiers.


I just don’t see it. Guy doesn’t even look like he belongs on the 40-man to me.


Might very well be the case. However, when he's been in one role he's done the job. When he's been in the other role he's failed miserably. Let him start or get rid of him because putting him in the pen does him no favors.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Luke Barker get a crack at the pen. His numbers dramatically ticked up this year and he's getting a lot more GOs.


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Posted: June 29, 2019, 4:11 AM Post
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I think the same way about Wilkerson; start him or outright him back to San Antonio. He is a Davies type pitcher who needs everything perfect to be effective. His high 80s-low, low 90s FB won't get many outs unless it's perfectly located. Slow curve and a low 80s change also are BP type pitches unless precisely located. One thing for sure, he stinks out of the pen. With the way CC's starters have been going, what can it hurt to give him a start? He can't do much worse than Peralta, Burnes, Chacin, Nelson, Houser, etc...


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Posted: June 29, 2019, 7:18 AM Post

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I think the same way about Wilkerson; start him or outright him back to San Antonio. He is a Davies type pitcher who needs everything perfect to be effective. His high 80s-low, low 90s FB won't get many outs unless it's perfectly located. Slow curve and a low 80s change also are BP type pitches unless precisely located. One thing for sure, he stinks out of the pen. With the way CC's starters have been going, what can it hurt to give him a start? He can't do much worse than Peralta, Burnes, Chacin, Nelson, Houser, etc...

i'd rather see an optional assignment than an outright assignment . . . especially with the roster at 39.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 12:39 PM Post
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https://twitter.com/ctrent/status/11478 ... 24257?s=21

#Reds Sonny Gray gave a lot of credit on his All-Star nod to Reds pitching coach Derek Johnson: "To be back with DJ has been a blessing. It feels like he's taught me how to pitch twice now. He's hands-down the best pitching coach that there is."


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 12:50 PM Post
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"To be back with DJ has been a blessing. It feels like he's taught me how to pitch twice now. He's hands-down the best pitching coach that there is."

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Posted: July 07, 2019, 1:16 PM Post
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The Brewers lost on this move in pitching coaches


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Is it time to move Junior Guerra to lost cause, mop-up duty only? Since May28 he has been horrible. 18.1 IPs - 23 hits - 15 ERs. Today the Brewers tie the game, Guerra comes in, pitches 1/3 of an inning and leaves down by 3. The pen is an absolute mess right now and Guerra has been a major contributor to that mess.


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Posted: July 11, 2019, 9:39 AM Post
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I think most believe Stearns to add at least 1 pen arm, so if that’s the case, and no Hader Trade, and no starter added:

I’d piggyback Burnes And Peralta right out of the gate for a start, and then put them both in the rotation. Chacín and Anderson to the pen to cover short starts/piggyback. This I do Because: if one of the two is successful(hoping it’s burnes) I Then have my #2 in the playoffs, or #3 if Houser does as well as I think he will. If both Burnes AND Peralta excel, then I’ve really got strong rotation. If both fail, back to what was before. Hopefully this is what I have after the deadline:

Rotation: Woodruff Houser Burnes Peralta Davies

Bullpen: Anderson Chacín D. Williams Guerra Albers jeffress Acquisition Hader

Claudio optioned if D. Williams excels. In playoffs One of Burnes Houser Peralta to the pen. Not counting on Gio or Nelson being healthy enough to replace.


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Posted: July 11, 2019, 9:55 AM Post
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Coming out of the break we have the rotation of:

1. Chase Anderson
2. Zach Davies
3. Jhoulys Chacin
4. Adrian Houser
5. Brandon Woodruff

I would imagine that Woody was put at 5 to somewhat curb the innings. He is just over 100 innings and his previous high is in the 150's.

I would also imagine Gio is coming back pretty soon and will bump Houser out of there which will be nice. Hopefully, he can be what he was a year ago to us and help stabilize that rotation.


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Posted: July 11, 2019, 10:27 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
Coming out of the break we have the rotation of:

1. Chase Anderson
2. Zach Davies
3. Jhoulys Chacin
4. Adrian Houser
5. Brandon Woodruff

I would imagine that Woody was put at 5 to somewhat curb the innings. He is just over 100 innings and his previous high is in the 150's.

I would also imagine Gio is coming back pretty soon and will bump Houser out of there which will be nice. Hopefully, he can be what he was a year ago to us and help stabilize that rotation.


I think you're fairly spot on with Woodruff. I remember thinking all 3 young pitchers would probably have a loose innings limit of 200...with Woodruff being the most loose and Peralta being the most strict based on age/size. That's at least what I thought they were thinking at the start of the season. Woodruff is 26 and a big dude, so I wouldn't be overly concerned with him in general. At the same time, they likely don't want him pitching something like 240-250 innings. 12 more regular season starts averaging 6 innings each(that's optimistic I know) would be 72 innings and put him at 180 total. Best case playoff scenario, Woodruff starts 6 games averaging 6 innings each and is up to 216 on the season. That's slightly higher than you'd like for sure but not ridiculous. It definitely makes sense to mildly curb his regular season innings just in case...even if we don't make the playoffs and he ends the season around 180ish, he'll have built the stamina to have virtually no innings limit next year.


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Posted: July 11, 2019, 10:48 AM Post
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Is it time to move Junior Guerra to lost cause, mop-up duty only? Since May28 he has been horrible. 18.1 IPs - 23 hits - 15 ERs. Today the Brewers tie the game, Guerra comes in, pitches 1/3 of an inning and leaves down by 3. The pen is an absolute mess right now and Guerra has been a major contributor to that mess.

I'd say no, not at this point. Heading into May 28 he had a 2.22 ERA. He's had 16 outings since May 28 throwing 19ip not 18.1. FOUR of those outings have resulted in him giving up 7H and 10 ER in 4ip. He's given up 22 ER on the entire season. That cripples the ERA.

The final couple weeks he's looked like he's hit a wall and needs some rest. This is the first full season he's been a straight pen arm and he's on pace to throw like 85 innings, a few more than Hader last year, except he's doing it without getting 3+ days off between outings like Hader got. I think the rest over the AS break will benefit him greatly as was just getting worn down and losing his control near the end.


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Posted: July 11, 2019, 8:30 PM Post
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Brew4U said:
Coming out of the break we have the rotation of:

1. Chase Anderson
2. Zach Davies
3. Jhoulys Chacin
4. Adrian Houser
5. Brandon Woodruff

I would imagine that Woody was put at 5 to somewhat curb the innings. He is just over 100 innings and his previous high is in the 150's.

I would also imagine Gio is coming back pretty soon and will bump Houser out of there which will be nice. Hopefully, he can be what he was a year ago to us and help stabilize that rotation.


The innings limit thought makes sense.

Putting Woodruff 5th basically guarantees (assuming good health) that he will pitch in the next series they have versus the Cubs later this month (currently set up to be the Saturday starter) as well as the series in early August versus the Cubs. That may not have been an important part of their consideration, but I noticed that’s the case if you extrapolate it out.


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Posted: July 11, 2019, 10:12 PM Post
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I think facing the Cubs was the top of their list.


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Posted: July 12, 2019, 6:15 AM Post
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Wahoo Maniac said:
wntrtxn21 said:
Is it time to move Junior Guerra to lost cause, mop-up duty only? Since May28 he has been horrible. 18.1 IPs - 23 hits - 15 ERs. Today the Brewers tie the game, Guerra comes in, pitches 1/3 of an inning and leaves down by 3. The pen is an absolute mess right now and Guerra has been a major contributor to that mess.

I'd say no, not at this point. Heading into May 28 he had a 2.22 ERA. He's had 16 outings since May 28 throwing 19ip not 18.1. FOUR of those outings have resulted in him giving up 7H and 10 ER in 4ip. He's given up 22 ER on the entire season. That cripples the ERA.

The final couple weeks he's looked like he's hit a wall and needs some rest. This is the first full season he's been a straight pen arm and he's on pace to throw like 85 innings, a few more than Hader last year, except he's doing it without getting 3+ days off between outings like Hader got. I think the rest over the AS break will benefit him greatly as was just getting worn down and losing his control near the end.


I don't know why Guerra went into a funk. But he did. However, the pen has to cover so many innings, there is no "just using for mop-up duty" role this year. So hoping that rest rejuvenates him. If it doesn't, something will need to be done as you can't keep putting him out there at this performance level.


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Posted: July 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Post
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I don't know why Guerra went into a funk. But he did. However, the pen has to cover so many innings, there is no "just using for mop-up duty" role this year. So hoping that rest rejuvenates him. If it doesn't, something will need to be done as you can't keep putting him out there at this performance level.


At no point this season has Guerra pitched well, he just didn't give up runs for a small bit. His xFIP by month is 5.12, 4.27, 4.19, 6.38, 4.75. He just isn't good and shouldn't be used for anything but mop up duty.


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Posted: July 13, 2019, 9:30 PM Post
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As for the pitching coach. Davies is better this year than last year. Anderson's ERA is about the same though he has actually pitched better this year. Gio pitched better this year before he got hurt. Woodruff has pitched better this year as a starter. Miley being gone has been the biggest impact as well as Chacin regressing but everything about Chacin screamed regression. There just is no real evidence that the pitching coach has anything to do with any of this. The Reds brought in an almost completely new rotation so their improvement also is very hard to judge. Castillo is the poster child for showing an improvement but his peripherals haven't actually improved and going into the season he was marked as one of the most likely pitchers for positive regression given how much better his peripherals were than his ERA last year. ERA is just a completely worthless stat.


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Posted: July 14, 2019, 4:53 AM Post
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As for the pitching coach. Davies is better this year than last year. Anderson's ERA is about the same though he has actually pitched better this year. Gio pitched better this year before he got hurt. Woodruff has pitched better this year as a starter. Miley being gone has been the biggest impact as well as Chacin regressing but everything about Chacin screamed regression. There just is no real evidence that the pitching coach has anything to do with any of this. The Reds brought in an almost completely new rotation so their improvement also is very hard to judge. Castillo is the poster child for showing an improvement but his peripherals haven't actually improved and going into the season he was marked as one of the most likely pitchers for positive regression given how much better his peripherals were than his ERA last year. ERA is just a completely worthless stat.


Agree completely. Add in that this is pitching staff built to have starters go 5 innings or so and the have the bullpen close it down. When Knebel went down and Jeffress became ineffective this team's roster became an issue. Now they have starters who. Don't go very deep and a bad bad bullpen. Losing Knebel was so much bigger than I realized at the time.


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Posted: July 14, 2019, 6:49 AM Post
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Ennder said:
As for the pitching coach. Davies is better this year than last year. Anderson's ERA is about the same though he has actually pitched better this year. Gio pitched better this year before he got hurt. Woodruff has pitched better this year as a starter. Miley being gone has been the biggest impact as well as Chacin regressing but everything about Chacin screamed regression. There just is no real evidence that the pitching coach has anything to do with any of this. The Reds brought in an almost completely new rotation so their improvement also is very hard to judge. Castillo is the poster child for showing an improvement but his peripherals haven't actually improved and going into the season he was marked as one of the most likely pitchers for positive regression given how much better his peripherals were than his ERA last year. ERA is just a completely worthless stat.


Agree completely. Add in that this is pitching staff built to have starters go 5 innings or so and the have the bullpen close it down. When Knebel went down and Jeffress became ineffective this team's roster became an issue. Now they have starters who. Don't go very deep and a bad bad bullpen. Losing Knebel was so much bigger than I realized at the time.


Losing Knebel and having Junior pitch like garbage lately really killed this bullpen. What is a shame is CC feels he has to use Hader multiple innings and then he is shut down and can't play in back to back games. If indeed Stearns is going to be a buyer we need a starter and a reliever.


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