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2019 Brewers' pitching staff

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Offline ThisIsMyCrew Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 20, 2019, 9:23 AM Post
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Brew4U said:
Brew crew 92 said:
Not encouraged by what CC said regarding Chacín. Instead of saying, we’ll have to have a talk about Chacín staying in the rotation, he said he just needs to pitch better. What’s the definition of insanity?

Why not put Supek in the rotation? He certainly will pitch better than the gas can Chacín.

Why not call up D Williams?. he’s hardly given up a baserunner all month. The scouts think he’s ready.

Patience is a virtue.
He who hesitates loses.

I think it’s been the latter all year with this team. Frustrating.


It has to be a balance with making these decision. Brew Crew 92: just imagine if you were running the show. Just think of how many players you would have burned through already as you make your way down our minor leagues. You have a new flavor every day. It just doesn’t work that way. You can’t just burn people off the 40-man roster all the time with no consequences. There is a reason that no GM operates this way and it comes down to depth and money.


Wait. You can’t run a MLB club like a video game? Having unlimited resources? My mind has been blown.
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Offline Oxy Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 20, 2019, 1:15 PM Post
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ThisIsMyCrew said:
Brew4U said:
Brew crew 92 said:
Not encouraged by what CC said regarding Chacín. Instead of saying, we’ll have to have a talk about Chacín staying in the rotation, he said he just needs to pitch better. What’s the definition of insanity?

Why not put Supek in the rotation? He certainly will pitch better than the gas can Chacín.

Why not call up D Williams?. he’s hardly given up a baserunner all month. The scouts think he’s ready.

Patience is a virtue.
He who hesitates loses.

I think it’s been the latter all year with this team. Frustrating.


It has to be a balance with making these decision. Brew Crew 92: just imagine if you were running the show. Just think of how many players you would have burned through already as you make your way down our minor leagues. You have a new flavor every day. It just doesn’t work that way. You can’t just burn people off the 40-man roster all the time with no consequences. There is a reason that no GM operates this way and it comes down to depth and money.


Wait. You can’t run a MLB club like a video game? Having unlimited resources? My mind has been blown.



Haven't we waived like 6 guys this year? And all of them have gone unclaimed? And some of them are back on the 40 man now (Jackson)?

That isn't to say that I'm advocating for recklessness, but it's not like the last 5 to 8 guys on the 40 man are hot commodities that we need to be super careful with--especially since we are getting closer to September. Bring a guy like Supak up in August and we likely wouldn't even need to burn his option this year. I don't know if he is ready or not, but it always seems like pitchers we bring up start off really hot (Peralta, Suter, even Jungmann). It's also not like the 4th and 5th starter slots are anywhere close to being nailed down.
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Offline B-Train Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 20, 2019, 1:57 PM Post
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Another way to look at the current pitching staff... Remember last season when the Brewer Brass seemingly had the difficult task of deciding which pitchers to keep off the post season rosters? This season just think how difficult will it be to decide which pitchers to place on the postseason roster. What a difference a few months makes!
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Offline brewmann04 Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 20, 2019, 2:51 PM Post
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Chacin needs to be replaced he has not pitched well .
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Offline markedman5 Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 20, 2019, 5:04 PM Post
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https://twitter.com/haudricourt/status/ ... 00672?s=21
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Offline brewmann04 Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 20, 2019, 5:48 PM Post
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wow can't say i am shocked to hear that.
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Offline Pugger Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 21, 2019, 6:39 AM Post
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markedman5 said:
https://twitter.com/haudricourt/status/1152709942236700672?s=21


Unless, of course, we get someone better before the trade deadline...
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Online Eye Black Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 21, 2019, 7:22 AM Post
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According to Brooks Baseball Freddy Peralta touched 98-mph for the first time in his MLB career (98.41 mph) versus the Braves and hit 97.82 mph last night. His max velocities in outings as a starter earlier this year fluctuated between 94 to 96 mph.
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Offline Brew crew 92 Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 21, 2019, 8:02 PM Post
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Even with the injury to Woodruff, the pitching staff is showing signs of improvement moving forward. The bullpen is moving closer to elite status with Houser and Peralta’s confident dominance to go with Hader’s. So we need 4 more quality arms, 2 of which need to be late inning, 8th/9th. Can we get 3 from among Nelson Burnes Jeffress Guerra D Williams? I believe we can. So that leaves Stearns needing to go out and get 1 high leverage pen arm to give us an elite pen.

The rotation is short 2 arms? If you believe in Chacín, one. I believe Stearns should add a #2/3 type arm(Ray Stroman) at a min. Personally, I’d like to see Greinke added, but Attanasio might object. Also Bauer, but the tribe could extort to the extreme, and just keep him till the offseason. So we’ll get one of em, and I’d like to see Supak replace Chacin, whose shoes are small enough to fill, imo, quite easily.

If Stearns can get 2 pen arms, that would potentially give us the most dominant pen in the NL. And potentially, depending on how Nelson and Burnes do, to have it be strong enough to drop Claudio and Albers and Guerra for the playoffs.
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Offline phnxcrew Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 21, 2019, 8:23 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
Even with the injury to Woodruff, the pitching staff is showing signs of improvement moving forward. The bullpen is moving closer to elite status with Houser and Peralta’s confident dominance to go with Hader’s. So we need 4 more quality arms, 2 of which need to be late inning, 8th/9th. Can we get 3 from among Nelson Burnes Jeffress Guerra D Williams? I believe we can. So that leaves Stearns needing to go out and get 1 high leverage pen arm to give us an elite pen.

The rotation is short 2 arms? If you believe in Chacín, one. I believe Stearns should add a #2/3 type arm(Ray Stroman) at a min. Personally, I’d like to see Greinke added, but Attanasio might object. Also Bauer, but the tribe could extort to the extreme, and just keep him till the offseason. So we’ll get one of em, and I’d like to see Supak replace Chacin, whose shoes are small enough to fill, imo, quite easily.

If Stearns can get 2 pen arms, that would potentially give us the most dominant pen in the NL. And potentially, depending on how Nelson and Burnes do, to have it be strong enough to drop Claudio and Albers and Guerra for the playoffs.


It’s not just you specifically,
But I don’t understand the Bauer is going to be traded crowd. The Indians are light years better than us. I get that they’re in a crowded AL picture but the twins have a far better chance of folding than succeeding.
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Offline Brew crew 92 Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 21, 2019, 9:01 PM Post
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phnxcrew said:
Brew crew 92 said:
Even with the injury to Woodruff, the pitching staff is showing signs of improvement moving forward. The bullpen is moving closer to elite status with Houser and Peralta’s confident dominance to go with Hader’s. So we need 4 more quality arms, 2 of which need to be late inning, 8th/9th. Can we get 3 from among Nelson Burnes Jeffress Guerra D Williams? I believe we can. So that leaves Stearns needing to go out and get 1 high leverage pen arm to give us an elite pen.

The rotation is short 2 arms? If you believe in Chacín, one. I believe Stearns should add a #2/3 type arm(Ray Stroman) at a min. Personally, I’d like to see Greinke added, but Attanasio might object. Also Bauer, but the tribe could extort to the extreme, and just keep him till the offseason. So we’ll get one of em, and I’d like to see Supak replace Chacin, whose shoes are small enough to fill, imo, quite easily.

If Stearns can get 2 pen arms, that would potentially give us the most dominant pen in the NL. And potentially, depending on how Nelson and Burnes do, to have it be strong enough to drop Claudio and Albers and Guerra for the playoffs.


It’s not just you specifically,
But I don’t understand the Bauer is going to be traded crowd. The Indians are light years better than us. I get that they’re in a crowded AL picture but the twins have a far better chance of folding than succeeding.


Madthinker88, massive tribe expert, gave us a understanding of the tribes thinking in the deadline thread. So if he’s right, it’s looking like they’d sell Bauer IF there price is met, hence my comments in my post regarding Bauer.
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Offline Lathund Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 27, 2019, 5:01 PM Post
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There was some talk about Chase Anderson's team option(s) in the GDT which prompted a question of mine, moving it here:

Chase will be just short of 6 years of service time at the end of the season, and so would still be arbitration eligible if the team option wasn't picked up, wouldn't he? Unless there was a provision in there (like Eric Thames has) that he couldn't be tendered a contract, so does anyone know if there is? Mind you this is just out of curiousity, I don't think there'd be much of a saving to do that, nor would it be particularly wise in regards to negotiating similar extensions in the future.
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Offline Oxy Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 27, 2019, 11:34 PM Post
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Lathund said:
There was some talk about Chase Anderson's team option(s) in the GDT which prompted a question of mine, moving it here:

Chase will be just short of 6 years of service time at the end of the season, and so would still be arbitration eligible if the team option wasn't picked up, wouldn't he? Unless there was a provision in there (like Eric Thames has) that he couldn't be tendered a contract, so does anyone know if there is? Mind you this is just out of curiousity, I don't think there'd be much of a saving to do that, nor would it be particularly wise in regards to negotiating similar extensions in the future.


Interesting. If he finishes strong his arby number might be above his option number anyway so they'd execute the option. If he flounders in the last couple of months I don't think it'll be picked up (depending on the buyout. Cots is down right now).
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Offline Lathund Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 28, 2019, 8:38 AM Post
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Oxy said:
Lathund said:
There was some talk about Chase Anderson's team option(s) in the GDT which prompted a question of mine, moving it here:

Chase will be just short of 6 years of service time at the end of the season, and so would still be arbitration eligible if the team option wasn't picked up, wouldn't he? Unless there was a provision in there (like Eric Thames has) that he couldn't be tendered a contract, so does anyone know if there is? Mind you this is just out of curiousity, I don't think there'd be much of a saving to do that, nor would it be particularly wise in regards to negotiating similar extensions in the future.


Interesting. If he finishes strong his arby number might be above his option number anyway so they'd execute the option. If he flounders in the last couple of months I don't think it'll be picked up (depending on the buyout. Cots is down right now).


Spotrac says $500k buyout.
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Offline sveumrules Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 28, 2019, 9:59 AM Post
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From 2016 through now there have been 100 pitchers who have thrown at least 400 innings.

Over that time Chase's FIP- of 108 ranks 81st (in the same neighborhood as Clayton Richard, Anibal Sanchez, Marco Estrada), while his ERA- of 88 ranks 31st (in the same neighborhood as Patrick Corbin, James Paxton, Jake Arrieta).

His ERA of 3.74 has outpaced his FIP of 4.59 by 0.85 runs, the largest margin in the sample. For whatever reasons certain pitchers are able to consistently outperform their peripherals & I think the sample is large enough that Chase has shown he is one of those guys.

Most of this appears to be the result of him allowing a .298 wOBA with runners on base (in the same neighborhood as Gerritt Cole, MadBum, Carlos Carrasco) compared to a .325 wOBA with the bases empty (in the same neighborhood as Jason Vargas, Trevor Cahill, Dan Straily).

If he's healthy the option seems like a no brainer.
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Offline Lathund Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 28, 2019, 10:38 AM Post
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From what I recall reading, 400 IP is right around where ERA starts being more predictive of future performance than FIP, so he probably is one of those guys.
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Offline Ennder Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 29, 2019, 1:36 PM Post
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Lathund said:
From what I recall reading, 400 IP is right around where ERA starts being more predictive of future performance than FIP, so he probably is one of those guys.


I think it is 500 and that is just when it starts to become meaningfully predictive at all, not in relation to FIP. ERA is just an awful stat to judge a pitcher by.
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Offline Lathund Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 29, 2019, 3:11 PM Post
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Ennder said:
Lathund said:
From what I recall reading, 400 IP is right around where ERA starts being more predictive of future performance than FIP, so he probably is one of those guys.


I think it is 500 and that is just when it starts to become meaningfully predictive at all, not in relation to FIP. ERA is just an awful stat to judge a pitcher by.


ERA is a poor stat indeed, which is why it surprised me when I saw that 400 IP number, I would have expected it to be higher. Before I made that post I tried to find the article I read it in to make sure I had it right, I had remembered it as being part of the articles launching SIERA but that wasn't it and I couldn't find it. It may have been something along the lines of looking only at players who had remained with the same team, which would naturally reduce the effects of ballparks and quality of defense, but that's just speculation. Either way I remember it because it surprised me, and the data and methodoly seemed sound so it stuck out.
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Offline Harvey'sWBs Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 29, 2019, 4:13 PM Post
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From Bob Nightengale on Twitter:
The #Brewers' biggest regret over the winter has to be their decision not to re-sign Wade Miley, who has been fabulous for the #Astros, and earning just $4.5 million. He badly wanted to return to Milwaukee. They grabbed Jordan Lyles today but still out for more pitching.

Granted, hindsight is 20/20, and Miley was working some smoke and mirrors last year, but still...dangit. Reading that hurts a bit.
What is best in life? To crush the Cardinals, Cubs, and Manny Machado, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their fanboys.
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Offline Brew4U Re: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff
Posted: July 29, 2019, 4:22 PM Post
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I don’t trust a single word that guy tweets. He’s the village idiot as far as I’m concerned.
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