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Posted: September 16, 2019, 3:35 PM Post
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Going to be tough for the Padres to set a lineup not knowing how far Woodruff will go. And piggybacking with Gio is also interesting, as you're following up Woody's righty power stuff with Gio's lefty finesse junk.


I love when they do this and would like to see it more often.


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Posted: September 16, 2019, 3:49 PM Post
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True Blue Brew Crew said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Going to be tough for the Padres to set a lineup not knowing how far Woodruff will go. And piggybacking with Gio is also interesting, as you're following up Woody's righty power stuff with Gio's lefty finesse junk.


I love when they do this and would like to see it more often.


Now is the perfect time of year to play this type of baseball. I wouldn't be surprised if our starters only pitch 3-5 innings from here on out, unless of course X starter is just wrecking hitters. But we have enough long relief and overall pitching options to shorten starts and have an extra AB of a 600-800 OPS hitter vs a 300 OPS hitting pitcher.


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Posted: September 16, 2019, 4:23 PM Post
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True Blue Brew Crew said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Going to be tough for the Padres to set a lineup not knowing how far Woodruff will go. And piggybacking with Gio is also interesting, as you're following up Woody's righty power stuff with Gio's lefty finesse junk.


I love when they do this and would like to see it more often.


Now is the perfect time of year to play this type of baseball. I wouldn't be surprised if our starters only pitch 3-5 innings from here on out, unless of course X starter is just wrecking hitters. But we have enough long relief and overall pitching options to shorten starts and have an extra AB of a 600-800 OPS hitter vs a 300 OPS hitting pitcher.



Problem is we don’t have enough long relief, or solid pen options for that matter. Suter is it for long relief. We have 14 in the pen, but 3-4 will never be used, unless a blow out. 2-3 more used only when behind. So that leaves 7 maybe 8 in a close game on a daily basis.


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 6:10 AM Post
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Counsell going with Pomeranz to close was big. Having 2 closers is critical to this team moving forward. Now, if We can get Peralta to close, like he did once already this year, we’d really have something. But that might be asking too much. I’ll take having someone to close, other than Hader and not get too greedy.

We’re developing our own 2019 version of last year’s 3 headed monster. Another dominating performance or two from Peralta and imo, we’ll have it > Pomeranz Peralta Hader.

I mentioned this last night, but with each game, this bullpen is inching its way to being as dominant as last year’s pen, and in one way is better, having 4 LHP’s that are all throwing as well as ours are right now, we’ve never had before. No wonder Counsell is so confident in this bullpen, he can matchup like never before.

With Woodruff back, this rotation is better than what we had last September going into October. Imo, we now have our best overall September pitching staff ever. And we’re not doing it with 14 pen arms either, 7-9 on a nightly basis, which bodes well for the postseason. This pitching staff can compete with anyone.


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 7:18 AM Post
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Don’t forget about Junior Guerra. A 0.91 whip since the All Star break and nearly 9k per 9 innings


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 7:21 AM Post
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Junior's opponent's batting average is something like .185, too.

I tend to look at that as much as ERA.


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 7:29 AM Post
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Jopal78! said:
Don’t forget about Junior Guerra. A 0.91 whip since the All Star break and nearly 9k per 9 innings


And getting a little rest, which should keep him strong. Isn’t this, right now, the best pen in the NL?


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 7:59 AM Post
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Junior Guerra has been solid this year. Before the season I thought he would be a key to a stable pen. He hasn't been as good as I was hoping, but certainly a contributor. One thing with Guerra in the second half: He has not given up multiple runs in an outing since July 17th. He has only done it twice in the second half all together. Guerra would probably be viewed a lot more positively if our offense was not continuously handing the bullpen one run games to cling onto. When guys go out there and give up multiple runs in an inning, that is what breaks the camel's back.


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 8:50 AM Post
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Don't forget about Suter either. He's not mentioned, I'm guessing, because he doesn't throw 100 mph. But he has been lights out. I see it this way. They have Hader, Pomeranz, Suter. If Guerra and Peralta are dialed in, they really have equaled their pen of 2018. Plus Claudio,Black, and Jackson are three guys I don't feel panic when they come into the game.

Interesting that Anderson and/or Davies may not make post-season roster again. They may very well go with Woodruff/Lyles/Houser in the rotation, and keep Gonzalez around for the "utility" pitcher. (Emergency start or early relief, even loogy.) That leaves one more spot for a pitcher, and like it or not that's probably Albers. Anderson/Davies may very well be on the outside looking in. Houser will determine that with his last 2-3 starts of the season.


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 10:58 AM Post
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Brewers have the 3rd best ERA and BAA in the NL in September.


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 3:20 PM Post
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When I look at it, I feel good about 2020's staff.

A rotation of Woodruff, Houser, Gio, Davies, and Lyles - with Anderson, Burnes, Peralta, Suter, and Supak competing for spots.

A bullpen anchored by Hader, Knebel, and Pomeranz. Figure one or two of the starters who don't get in the rotation find their way there. Add in a few of the Jackson/Black/Wahl/Claudio on the 40-man currently or prospects like Andrews/QTC/Olczak (down the road).


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 3:42 PM Post
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I’d love to get PomPom to come back if he is willing to let go of being a starter...that could be a big question mark with him. I think he could be a great value add.


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 4:09 PM Post
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When I look at it, I feel good about 2020's staff.

A rotation of Woodruff, Houser, Gio, Davies, and Lyles - with Anderson, Burnes, Peralta, Suter, and Supak competing for spots.

A bullpen anchored by Hader, Knebel, and Pomeranz. Figure one or two of the starters who don't get in the rotation find their way there. Add in a few of the Jackson/Black/Wahl/Claudio on the 40-man currently or prospects like Andrews/QTC/Olczak (down the road).


Imo Stearns needs to add a starting pitcher who can go more than 4-5 innings. Gio-Davies-Anderson all are 4-5 inning guys. Houser needs to show more as a starter and I think Burnes remains in AAA to begin the season until he proves he can pitch. Suter does a great job in long relief and could start on occasion if needed. With the new 3 batter rule I wonder how much value Stearns will see in Claudio? Wahl is an unknown in the pen. He could be outstanding or a dud, who knows? Anderson is scheduled to make $8.5M in 2021 and $9.5 in 2021 and I question if he is worth that. I think he is a prime trade candidate, although Stearns won't get a whole lot for him.


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Posted: September 18, 2019, 4:26 PM Post
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Zach Davies is not a 4-5 inning pitcher. These guys seem that way because it is the Brewers belief to pull starters early. Lance Lynn, for example, isn’t coming here and consistently pitching 6+.

1-3 innings: 4.15 ERA
4-6 innings: 3.26 ERA
7-9 innings: 1.50 ERA

Yes, his more in depth stats are equally impressive as the game goes on...and yes his entire career is similar where he is better as the game goes on. Davies tends to struggle specifically in the 5th which leads to him getting pulled often with a short leash. Lance Lynn struggles mightily in the 4th (5+ ERA). He historically is a terrible 1st inning guy. So would he really be any better?

These guys simply do not get the opportunity to go deep into games with how they are coached. It is not the philosophy of the organization.


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Posted: September 19, 2019, 6:31 AM Post
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Nice to see Counsell use D Williams in last nights game, and to have him pitch well is big. Next week, the crew is gonna possibly need their biggest pen of the year for the last 6 games, imo, because of the ridiculous ballparks their going to play in. Day off is big, but 9-10 arms that can be used will probably be needed.

1.) Hader
2.) Pomeranz
3.) Peralta
4.) Suter
5.) Jackson
6.) Guerra
7.) Claudio

8.) Black
9.) Albers
10) D Williams

Imo, the 3 pitchers most important these last 10 games are Albers Black D Williams, in that order. Albers is critical because Counsell loves to use him. Period. And he hasn’t had command of his pitches the whole month of September. Black hasn’t pitched since giving up meatball hr’s on Sunday, another possible commandless non-option late in games that should only pitch while behind or way ahead. But Williams could be the wild card in all of this, looked like he gained some much needed confidence last night.


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Posted: September 22, 2019, 7:52 AM Post
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This Pitching Staff has gone from bottom 5 in the NL to the top, Amazingly in a span of a few weeks. I’m not talking statistically, although depending on the date, it is. It’s the depth of good pitching, 13-14 strong. All 5 starters pitching well, along with 8-9 pen arms. No NL team has anything approaching that kind of depth. I would argue the pen is pitching as well as a bullpen could pitch.

I would also argue it’s the best in all of baseball, and better than what we had last year at any point in time. It’s better for 3 reasons:

Matchup’s > 4 lefties pitching virtually lights out. This is the true separator from what we had last year. 3 non-Loogy’s that strong is really astounding to have on one staff, and we have it.

Depth > a minimum of 8 deep, that can be used nightly, we never had last year. It’s actually tough to choose who to bring in, there’s so many good options.

Rest > this is big. Because of that depth, CC doesn’t have to Pitch the best pitchers too much. Plenty of rest makes for peak performance, which is what we’re getting almost every night. Guerra is brought in last night in a blow-out just to get some work!

Last year we rode a overwhelmingly dominant bullpen to within a game of the World Series. This year our pen is even better. And so are our initial out getters. If we get to the playoffs, we are gonna be huge underdogs vs any team we play, but that’s just the perception from the National media, we know better.


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Posted: September 28, 2019, 6:42 AM Post
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After game 160, the bullpen to me, is crystal clear:

1.) Hader > with tons of rest, capable of 45 great pitches.
2.) Pomeranz > see Hader
3.) Peralta > see Pomeranz
4.) Suter > Command otherworldly

5.) Jackson > Roogy ONLY
6.) Claudio > Loogy ONLY
7.) Guerra > Borderline, but low heart rate helps

8.) Albers > no Command for 7 weeks, but, IF he can get it back, he could be the difference maker.

No Black No D Williams

We have 4 dominant arms, 2 limited dominant, and Guerra and possibly Albers.

I know i’m going to get blasted for what I’m about to say, but, I want to see Burnes pitch in one of these last 2 games, and if he’s dominant, then I want him for the DS. Even with Anderson or Houser or Woodruff in the pen, we can use another RH power arm.


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Posted: September 30, 2019, 9:09 AM Post
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The Brewers 2019 pitching staff ended up as one of the average-est units of all time, posting a 99 ERA-, a 100 FIP- & a 100 xFIP-.


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Posted: September 30, 2019, 10:26 AM Post
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After game 160, the bullpen to me, is crystal clear:

1.) Hader > with tons of rest, capable of 45 great pitches.
2.) Pomeranz > see Hader
3.) Peralta > see Pomeranz
4.) Suter > Command otherworldly

5.) Jackson > Roogy ONLY
6.) Claudio > Loogy ONLY
7.) Guerra > Borderline, but low heart rate helps

8.) Albers > no Command for 7 weeks, but, IF he can get it back, he could be the difference maker.

No Black No D Williams

We have 4 dominant arms, 2 limited dominant, and Guerra and possibly Albers.

I know i’m going to get blasted for what I’m about to say, but, I want to see Burnes pitch in one of these last 2 games, and if he’s dominant, then I want him for the DS. Even with Anderson or Houser or Woodruff in the pen, we can use another RH power arm.


How many relievers will we have for the wild card game, seven? If so, these would be my seven choices. Albers has failed too often for me to trust him. Guerra has a proven track record of pitching in playoff games, which he did well last year. My guess is the conversation will be between Jackson and Albers for that seventh spot.


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Posted: September 30, 2019, 11:01 AM Post
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shanedog19 said:

How many relievers will we have for the wild card game, seven? If so, these would be my seven choices. Albers has failed too often for me to trust him. Guerra has a proven track record of pitching in playoff games, which he did well last year. My guess is the conversation will be between Jackson and Albers for that seventh spot.


We'll have a ton of relievers on the roster for the wildcard game. You can reset your roster after that game, so you won't have your first two starters for the next series (Houser for sure) on the roster for this game, making room for other relievers.

Since it is Woodruff, go 10 pitchers and 15 position players.

Woodruff, Claudio, Guerra, Hader, Pomeranz, Peralta, Lyles, Suter, Jackson, Anderson (extra inning insurance)

Gio and Houser on rest for next series.


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