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Posted: May 08, 2019, 10:25 AM Post
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I'd simply ask that you go back and ask that you reread your past posts if you don't think you've changed the narrative as this has gone on that you haven't been confrontational or condescending. Of course, some have come back at you in similar tones now so it's circle of negativity that just keeps going and is just not needed. That said, the current narrative is fairly reasonable with abundance of long relievers and using them when needed. Especially since two of the youngsters essentially have failed as starters (and many of the 1 inning relievers have failed) so far this year so it's easy/logical to slide them into multi inning roles.


If what I've been saying from the start has changed, how did CHL so eloquently summarize with great detail exactly what I laid out last fall. There's no doubt he conveys information far better than I. And I literally just posted for something like the 3rd or 4th time in the past week that I should have handled my own responses better. I've done what the mods have asked. It's a shame others aren't being held to the same standard because then the nonsense would stop and the focus would again be the change that is literally happening before our eyes. And we could also start enjoying the change that is working right now.



No you haven't. Condescension has no place here and you are continually the instigator. See your PM's. Be better or don't post.

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Posted: May 08, 2019, 10:47 AM Post
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It very well could work and if guys could be reliable it could be extremely effective. I will say for 99% of teams out there it just is not something that would work and probably why people would think it is impossible. I mean I count 9 guys that I really wouldn't be too concerned throwing out there for 4+ innings...all of which have seen forms of success starting at the MLB level.

I mean that just doesn't happen....teams usually don't have that kind of pitching talent, or erm, depth. When Nelson/Anderson return that will make the staff real interesting and how they go about that. They could make some kind of permanent opener for Peralta or as I mentioned before more of the unplanned piggybacking style staff...frequency as needed.



Yes, but isn't that kind of circular? Teams aren't constructed that way because they are built for the status quo. Then you can say it's a foolish idea because it wouldn't work for most teams. There are lots of teams without great starters who might benefit from constructing their team the way the Brewers have. There may be too much emphasis on labeling guys either "starters" or "relievers". The fact that many successful relievers are just failed starters, and yet often have better numbers than starters, is evidence that many starters are pitching too much and relievers not enough.

I think the main reason it hasn't happened is because most teams have starters who are clearly much better than their long relief options, so you try to maximize their innings even if they go 3-4 times through the order and, in the NL, bat 2-3 times almost every start. But then there's a market inefficiency for over-paying the limited number of proven "starters" when fringe starters could be just as productive in some sort of piggyback paradigm. If you can get Davies, Anderson, Guerra, Houser, and Gio for the price of one Chatwood, that should be the plan. Then get creative with usage to make it work.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 10:47 AM Post
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Claudio isn't going anywhere. He's pitched fine and we gave up value to get him.


That doesn't fit the narrative! Claudio doesn't throw fast, therefore he sucks!


I’ll say it AGAIN
I like Claudio

But IF we have an abundance of high leverage multi-inning pen arms at the back end that can strike out the side, he’s the one I’m de-activating for the playoffs.

If it’s a choice between Rasmussen and Claudio, I’m going with Rasmussen.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 10:58 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
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Claudio isn't going anywhere. He's pitched fine and we gave up value to get him.


That doesn't fit the narrative! Claudio doesn't throw fast, therefore he sucks!


I’ll say it AGAIN
I like Claudio

But IF we have an abundance of high leverage multi-inning pen arms at the back end that can strike out the side, he’s the one I’m de-activating for the playoffs.

If it’s a choice between Rasmussen and Claudio, I’m going with Rasmussen.


I disagree. If Cody Bellinger is coming up to bat in a 1-run game in the 7th, and my choices are a veteran lefty reliever who is nails against lefty power, or a relatively untested right-handed rookie fireballer, I'm taking the proven lefty. Every time.

That said ... this is putting the cart WAY before the horse. There's a very good possibility that pen will look substantially different by the time playoff baseball rolls around.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 11:14 AM Post
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[laughing] Drew Rasmussen is pitching in A ball right now. Why is he even being discussed for a playoff roster spot? Falling in love with prospects is one thing but my lord is this just absolutely crazy. Let the guy develop and work his way through the system at least.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 11:15 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
I’ll say it AGAIN
I like Claudio

But IF we have an abundance of high leverage multi-inning pen arms at the back end that can strike out the side, he’s the one I’m de-activating for the playoffs.

If it’s a choice between Rasmussen and Claudio, I’m going with Rasmussen.


I'm not a fan of the LOOGY concept, but I think your thinking is backwards here. It's the regular season where the true benefits of an extra multi-inning relief arm shine. Not because they necessarily give you the best chance in any individual game, but because they help give you a shot at the best 162-game record. In the playoffs that's less of a concern, with the many off days and the limited scope, there you can afford to use more specialists and 1-inning guys. I'd still want to have several multi-inning arms, but there is absolutely room for a lefty specialist. Especially one of the best in the business, which Claudio is.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 11:35 AM Post
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:laughing Drew Rasmussen is pitching in A ball right now. Why is he even being discussed for a playoff roster spot? Falling in love with prospects is one thing but my lord is this just absolutely crazy. Let the guy develop and work his way through the system at least.


Well, he just got bumped to AA today. So in about a month he went from A -> A+ -> AA with only needing 5 showings to prove his worth. If he is in AAA by mid-July and continuing to dominate, I would consider it a definite possibility. I expect him to run into challenges at some point in time, most likely with AA where he will stay all year. That being said the Brewers are definitely advancing him hard and quick so it is a realistic possibility.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 11:50 AM Post
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:laughing Drew Rasmussen is pitching in A ball right now. Why is he even being discussed for a playoff roster spot? Falling in love with prospects is one thing but my lord is this just absolutely crazy. Let the guy develop and work his way through the system at least.


Well, he just got bumped to AA today. So in about a month he went from A -> A+ -> AA with only needing 5 showings to prove his worth. If he is in AAA by mid-July and continuing to dominate, I would consider it a definite possibility. I expect him to run into challenges at some point in time, most likely with AA where he will stay all year. That being said the Brewers are definitely advancing him hard and quick so it is a realistic possibility.


He is a college pitcher...or was. Getting to AA fast isn't that hard. Things slow down fast once you get to AA. Especially since he is a starter as it stands. They would have to make him a reliever to push him all the way to the MLB level this year.

Look at Burnes, those kind of movements are normal for guys. Blow through A- through A+....then you get stuck at AA for a solid half year and then maybe get the bump to AAA if utterly dominating. Him at the MLB level this year would be massive optimism...not impossible he could be a September call-up...but man that is crazy optimistic and assuming he pitches like the next great thing without a single bump in the road till then


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 12:19 PM Post
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:laughing Drew Rasmussen is pitching in A ball right now. Why is he even being discussed for a playoff roster spot? Falling in love with prospects is one thing but my lord is this just absolutely crazy. Let the guy develop and work his way through the system at least.


Well, he just got bumped to AA today. So in about a month he went from A -> A+ -> AA with only needing 5 showings to prove his worth. If he is in AAA by mid-July and continuing to dominate, I would consider it a definite possibility. I expect him to run into challenges at some point in time, most likely with AA where he will stay all year. That being said the Brewers are definitely advancing him hard and quick so it is a realistic possibility.


He is a college pitcher...or was. Getting to AA fast isn't that hard. Things slow down fast once you get to AA. Especially since he is a starter as it stands. They would have to make him a reliever to push him all the way to the MLB level this year.

Look at Burnes, those kind of movements are normal for guys. Blow through A- through A+....then you get stuck at AA for a solid half year and then maybe get the bump to AAA if utterly dominating. Him at the MLB level this year would be massive optimism...not impossible he could be a September call-up...but man that is crazy optimistic and assuming he pitches like the next great thing without a single bump in the road till then


Plus plus FB plus plus curve plus change plus command best stuff in the organization and it’s not close. 24 yr old, so he’s not young, twice tj only negative, so the crew only letting him throw 3 innings or 50 pitch max. But that’s a Josh Hader.

I think When CC saw him throwing 100 with knebel curve and command to top it off in ST, they knew what they had. The crew had him start his FIRST pro game at MILLER park for that T- rat game in April, I think for a reason.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 1:32 PM Post
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Toby H (And That) predicted on Twitter that Rasmussen would be in Biloxi by mid-May and by gosh he was right. He's now saying that if Drew fares well in AA over the next couple months, an appearance in Milwaukee by year's end is quite possible. I don't see any reason to think otherwise.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 1:37 PM Post
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Toby H (And That) predicted on Twitter that Rasmussen would be in Biloxi by mid-May and by gosh he was right. He's now saying that if Drew fares well in AA over the next couple months, an appearance in Milwaukee by year's end is quite possible. I don't see any reason to think otherwise.


He was a college senior draftee from a big program, so he's used to facing top college competition. I imagine he'll have a lot tougher go of it at AA, facing the type of hitting he's more used to facing in college. If he continues to deal, it is certainly possible he sees ML innings this year. He definitely fits the blueprint for what the Brewers like in their relievers.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 1:39 PM Post
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Would anyone (including Counsell) trust Matt Albers to come in during a meaningful juncture of a ballgame? I certainly wouldn't.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 1:45 PM Post
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Would anyone (including Counsell) trust Matt Albers to come in during a meaningful juncture of a ballgame? I certainly wouldn't.


He's been fine for the most part. He's been scored on in 4 of 15 appearances. Had blow-up appearances against the Dodgers (3 ER) and Cubs (2) before today. Days like today certainly won't help where he lines up on the bullpen totem pole, buts he's been far from a gas can this season.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 1:55 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
shanedog19 said:
Would anyone (including Counsell) trust Matt Albers to come in during a meaningful juncture of a ballgame? I certainly wouldn't.


He's been fine for the most part. He's been scored on in 4 of 15 appearances. Had blow-up appearances against the Dodgers (3 ER) and Cubs (2) before today. Days like today certainly won't help where he lines up on the bullpen totem pole, buts he's been far from a gas can this season.


I also think Albers not a good mop up pitcher, I think the lack of adrenaline, for a pitcher that’s pitched in as many high leverage situations as Albers, hurts him. I would trust Matt Albers in big game situations more than most.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 3:13 PM Post
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:laughing Drew Rasmussen is pitching in A ball right now. Why is he even being discussed for a playoff roster spot? Falling in love with prospects is one thing but my lord is this just absolutely crazy. Let the guy develop and work his way through the system at least.


Well, he just got bumped to AA today. So in about a month he went from A -> A+ -> AA with only needing 5 showings to prove his worth. If he is in AAA by mid-July and continuing to dominate, I would consider it a definite possibility. I expect him to run into challenges at some point in time, most likely with AA where he will stay all year. That being said the Brewers are definitely advancing him hard and quick so it is a realistic possibility.


He is a college pitcher...or was. Getting to AA fast isn't that hard. Things slow down fast once you get to AA. Especially since he is a starter as it stands. They would have to make him a reliever to push him all the way to the MLB level this year.

Look at Burnes, those kind of movements are normal for guys. Blow through A- through A+....then you get stuck at AA for a solid half year and then maybe get the bump to AAA if utterly dominating. Him at the MLB level this year would be massive optimism...not impossible he could be a September call-up...but man that is crazy optimistic and assuming he pitches like the next great thing without a single bump in the road till then


But getting to AA after only 5 appearances? I've never seen anyone for the Brewers do that. As fast as Burnes was, he had 3 rookie league appearances, 9 in A, and 10 in A+ before getting the bump to AA. Burnes doing it in 22 appearances is also the best Brewer I can remember. But even if you want to consider Burnes rise as normal for advanced prospects, what Rasmussen doing is other worldly. Obviously he now needs to perform in AA as good as he has been and show he is still a man among boys before he would be bumped to AAA, but its getting closer to a possibility.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 6:26 PM Post
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Would you say he projects as a right-handed Hader?


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Would you say he projects as a right-handed Hader?


For this year yes.
Because of his tj’s max 50 pitches/outing. But he has a starters mix, 99 fb plus plus slider, plus change and great command.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 6:49 PM Post
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coolhandluke121 said:
Would you say he projects as a right-handed Hader?


For this year yes.
Because of his tj’s max 50 pitches/outing. But he has a starters mix, 99 fb plus plus slider, plus change and great command.


So our sixth ace?

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 7:01 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
coolhandluke121 said:
Would you say he projects as a right-handed Hader?


For this year yes.
Because of his tj’s max 50 pitches/outing. But he has a starters mix, 99 fb plus plus slider, plus change and great command.


So our sixth ace?


We have a couple potential tor arms, if the crew let him start next year I’d add him as potential tor, yes.


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Posted: May 08, 2019, 7:18 PM Post
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Saw this on ESPN tonight:

Occurrences of pitchers throwing 100+ pitches in a game.

2010 - 2,400
2018 - 1,200


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