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Posted: June 20, 2019, 2:31 PM Post
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Lol, where is this Vegas stuff coming from? I live here and work in real estate. They just built a brand new AAA stadium that opened last month. They are building a stadium for the Raiders. They already built a hockey arena and host an NHL team. And they have a site excavated for a 2nd arena that could host an NBA team. None of those things add up to a MLB team coming here. They'd be 4th in line and in direct opposition to the newly constructed AAA stadium. The population couldn't support it. I'd seriously question those sources.


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Posted: June 20, 2019, 2:47 PM Post
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I also heard the Vegas rumor. In this era where stadium=money it’s clear that any group who can push a stadium through is going to get a team and the more they can mooch off the taxpayers the better. Crazy how welfare for billionaires is considered acceptable.



I see almost no scenario in which Vegas is going to be able to support all these major sports franchises.


The Raiders...fine. They're just a draw. 8 games, people will go on vacation or it will give them a reason to make the trip from LA, Oakland, wherever.

The Rays to Vegas though? They're already struggling playing in a place that a large pct of the population moves to. If Montreal would build a nice stadium, that'd probably be the best route for everyone. They're such a well run organization, if they had an extra 20-30 million a year, they'd be that much more dangerous.


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Posted: June 20, 2019, 3:15 PM Post
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Not alienating a fan base? Threatening to move permanently is a lot better option than saying we'll play the first half of our home games in Tampa and the second half in Montreal, both with garbage stadiums and we know neither city is going to build a new stadium if they're only getting half the games.


Alienate the 10-12,000 people a night that come to the stadium now, a good chunk of whom I'm sure are fans of the opposing team? I don't think it really makes a difference nor does ownership care.


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Posted: June 20, 2019, 3:24 PM Post
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Lets see. Build a new stadium in two cities that never really supported their teams, even when they were winning, at a time when attendance is down across baseball. Sounds like a great idea.
At some point if baseball wants to actually grow they might want to invest in places like Mexico where there is genuine interest in the game and hasn't shown itself to be totally disinterested in going to games. It might mean baseball or the owners actually (gasp) have to pay for the stadium but it might help the declining attendance. Somewhere along the line MLB is going to have to invest it's own money into the league to grow it. I can't think of a better way than opening new markets in places where it could actually grow over time. One would think they'd think about the long term health of the league and stop putting teams where nobody cares and expect them to suddenly care.

There needs to be a King Thames version of the bible.


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Posted: June 20, 2019, 3:29 PM Post
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Instead of moving the team between cities, they should move the stadium.

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Posted: June 20, 2019, 3:42 PM Post
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re: MLB in Vegas

From Dec 2018:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/av ... s-1544881/

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: June 20, 2019, 7:18 PM Post
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As the article hints to towards the end, there is absolutely no buzz in Las Vegas for major league baseball. People seem very happy with the nice new minor league stadium and AAA baseball. I hear buzz about the NBA all the time. And with the popularity of the Golden Knights and the excitement over the Raiders imminent arrival, I just can't see the appeal to move a team here and be 4th in line. This market ranks one spot above Kansas City.


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Posted: June 20, 2019, 11:05 PM Post
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homer said:
Instead of moving the team between cities, they should move the stadium.


This. Rays fans will support a team, they just need to not put it at the end of a peninsula.

Cards' fans wear jorts.


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The Mets hired a pitching coach that is so old he literally has pitched against Ted Williams in his lifetime in an MLB game.


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Posted: June 21, 2019, 6:57 PM Post
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The Mets hired a pitching coach that is so old he literally has pitched against Ted Williams in his lifetime in an MLB game.


Phil Regan's manager was Jimmy Dykes. Jimmy Dykes' manager was Connie Mack. Connie Mack was the A's manager in 1898. This dude is 2 steps from the 1800's.


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Posted: June 24, 2019, 8:32 AM Post
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I wonder what Goldschmidt's numbers this year against everyone but the Brewers. There were quite a few posters going nuts that we didn't trade for him and give him a big deal but he is struggling. Thames, which a lot of people want to replace, is outproducing him.


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Posted: June 24, 2019, 9:55 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
The Mets hired a pitching coach that is so old he literally has pitched against Ted Williams in his lifetime in an MLB game.


Phil Regan's manager was Jimmy Dykes. Jimmy Dykes' manager was Connie Mack. Connie Mack was the A's manager in 1898. This dude is 2 steps from the 1800's.


Really good interview with Regan over at FG. He got the nickname "the vulture" from Sandy Koufax when he came on in relief & "vultured" some of his wins.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/a-conversat ... ure-regan/


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Posted: June 24, 2019, 9:57 AM Post
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I personally don't think MLB would work well in Vegas either. Games too long, too hot in the summer, not an 'event' to travel to for road fans, stadium likely would be far off strip, now have NFL/NHL already, etc. My guess is that it would make sense to see how NFL/NHL do for a few years before investing more unless it's for the NBA (which is perfect for Vegas and blowing up in general in popularity). NHL is killing it so far but it's skewed by the team immediately being good, what happens if they're not?

But, that doesn't mean an investor isn't trying to do it. As noted, there is two teams currently in desperate need of a new home. And of course VEgas has never been a spot that gets shy about going big. Still, i think you'd be an idiot to build an MLB stadium without a team committed to use it. It's not like when they built TMobile Arena, even if they failed on NHL/NBA the building would still be used for so much else.

Initially the rumor was the Rio is being destroyed and the plan was using that for the stadium. Within the last few months I saw that rumor I think got squashed (though if I remember Rio going away is still happening) but there was now a different site. I don't recall the details on that one but one would think if people are exploring this they've at least had some back channel talks with TB/OAK about moving. That said, I likely used poor phrasing on my initial post on the topic implying it was more 'done' than it is.


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Posted: June 25, 2019, 5:04 AM Post
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I personally don't think Vegas would work well in Vegas either. Games too long, too hot in the summer, not an 'event' to travel to for road fans, stadium likely would be far off strip, now have NFL/NHL already, etc.


Not an "event" to travel to for road fans? I would easily go to Vegas to see the Brewers for a 3 game series, and I'm not a Vegas guy by any means. Cheap plane tix and rooms and endless things to do and see and eat when not going to the game. They'd have to be in an A/C dome though.


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Posted: June 25, 2019, 7:46 AM Post
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tmwiese55 said:
I personally don't think Vegas would work well in Vegas either. Games too long, too hot in the summer, not an 'event' to travel to for road fans, stadium likely would be far off strip, now have NFL/NHL already, etc.


Not an "event" to travel to for road fans? I would easily go to Vegas to see the Brewers for a 3 game series, and I'm not a Vegas guy by any means. Cheap plane tix and rooms and endless things to do and see and eat when not going to the game. They'd have to be in an A/C dome though.


Well maybe it would be moreso than I think. I was generally thinking of it 'relative' to an NFL game though. Yes, of course some will plan a trip around for baseball or NBA. But I would assume over 50% of fans attending Raider games will be road teams traveling in and the Raiders won't have attendance issues due to this influx. Note that I have no idea the estimated percentages for their NHL right now and how much people are traveling in for it. It seems the attendance is great though. But still with so many games in a season for all other sports it just seems each game is less of an event or spectacle than it is for football. I would just guess it's not a huge factor for hockey for a random Tuesday night regular season game, but yes I don't know. Again though, I just meant relative to NFL.

Still can't believe UW hasn't played a game at UNLV in forever now. Feel like they should have a regular 2 for 1 with them every few years with a few off years in between. Especially now with the new stadium coming in LV.


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Posted: June 25, 2019, 8:33 AM Post
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Yeah filling a stadium with road team fans for 8 regular season games is a lot different than trying to fill one up 81 times including a lot of weekdays. The Packers will play in Las Vegas something like once every 8 years. Of course visiting fans are going to fly in on those rare occasions. That's night and day from MLB where the Brewers could play here every year depending on what league the Vegas team would play in. Once the luster wears off, you're not banking on visiting fans providing half your attendance like the Raiders can.

Another factor in whether MLB could thrive in Las Vegas is where the team comes from. There is a huge base of season tickets for the Raiders from people who will drive in from California. I just helped a buyer find a place that he will use 4-5 weekends a year. You're not getting that same effect with a team moving from Florida. Half of the Las Vegas Raiders fan base will be lifelong fans of the team who reside in California. An MLB team from anywhere but California would be relying on the locals adopting the team. Are there any California MLB teams even looking to move? Again this market is the size of Kansas City, already has a thriving NHL team, is about to have an NFL team, and could get very well add the NBA before an MLB team even breaks ground on a stadium. It comes down to the order of arrival. I firmly believe the NHL only worked here because they were first. Everyone thinks the Golden Knights were popular because they were good from the start. The reality is this town was GK crazy before they played their first game. Why? Because they were the first major pro sports team here. If Las Vegas already had NFL, NBA, and MLB, I don't think an NHL team would have had a snowballs chance in the desert of surviving.


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Posted: June 25, 2019, 8:58 AM Post
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In terms of filling a stadium, any new MLB city, whether through expansion or relocation, is probably going to struggle after the first year as attendance is down across the league. And I don't see that changing with ever increasing ticket prices and a millennial generation that just doesn't spend (or have) the money as generations before them or even really seems to care about baseball. Whatever new places get an MLB team will be all about sponsorship dollars and the TV deal.


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Posted: June 25, 2019, 9:02 AM Post
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Well OAK is a prime candidate to move, probably 2nd most likely after TB. How funny would it be if they had to share a stadium with the Raiders again as they wait for an MLB stadium to be completed. It would also make sense for the CA connections just mentioned, and that it doesn't mess up the divisions/leagues.

Jericho just made a great point though in that the LV TV market likely wouldn't be great so targeting a larger population city in order to rely on TV could be more important than worrying about in game attendance.


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Posted: June 25, 2019, 9:08 AM Post
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Vegas has always been a decent baseball town. Let’s face it, the Raiders won’t draw locals. They’ll draw road fans for every game. What’s great wi5 the Knights is that it’s generally local crowds.


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Posted: June 25, 2019, 10:10 AM Post
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I thought this was a pretty good article this morning.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/brandon-woodruff-rebuilt-himself-as-a-starter/

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