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2019 Lineup Thread (Batting Order)

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Posted: January 10, 2019, 6:18 PM Post
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This is scary good!

RHP
Cain CF
Yelich RF
Aguilar 1B
Shaw 3B
Grandal C
Braun LF
Spangenberg/Perez 2B
Arcia SS
Pitcher

LHP
Cain CF
Yelich RF
Braun LF
Aguilar 1B
Shaw 3B
Grandal/Pina C
Perez 2B
Arcia SS
Pitcher


Last edited by Eye Black on February 24, 2019, 8:54 AM, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: title change -owbc


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Posted: January 10, 2019, 6:38 PM Post
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with 2018 splits

RHP
CF Cain (109 wRC+)
RF Yelich (168 wRC+)
1B Aguilar (130 wRC+)
3B Shaw (134 wRC+)
C Grandal (131 wRC+)
LF Braun (95 wRC+)
2B Spangenberg (101 wRC+)
SS Arcia ([censored])
Pitcher

LHP
CF Cain (166 wRC+)
RF Yelich (162 wRC+)
LF Braun (125 wRC+)
1B Aguilar (144 wRC+)
C Grandal (106 wRC+)
3B Shaw (66 wRC+)
2B Perez (104 wRC+)
SS Arcia ([censored])
Pitcher

Would be awesome if we could pick up a 2B/3B who crushes lefties. (FWIW, in his career Josh Harrison has a 107 wRC+ vs. LHP)


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Posted: January 10, 2019, 6:44 PM Post
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Christian Villanueva was released by the Padres but went to Japan. OPSed over 1.100 vs lefties in 120 ABs or so last year. Think he had an option too.


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Posted: January 10, 2019, 6:47 PM Post
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SRB said:
with 2018 splits

RHP
CF Cain (109 wRC+)
RF Yelich (168 wRC+)
1B Aguilar (130 wRC+)
3B Shaw (134 wRC+)
C Grandal (131 wRC+)
LF Braun (95 wRC+)
2B Spangenberg (101 wRC+)
SS Arcia ([censored])
Pitcher

LHP
CF Cain (166 wRC+)
RF Yelich (162 wRC+)
LF Braun (125 wRC+)
1B Aguilar (144 wRC+)
C Grandal (106 wRC+)
3B Shaw (66 wRC+)
2B Perez (104 wRC+)
SS Arcia ([censored])
Pitcher

Would be awesome if we could pick up a 2B/3B who crushes lefties. (FWIW, in his career Josh Harrison has a 107 wRC+ vs. LHP)

Thanks for putting that together!

Also, Ben Gamel had a 113 wRC+ versus RHP last year.


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Posted: January 10, 2019, 7:12 PM Post
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Eye Black said:
Also, Ben Gamel had a 113 wRC+ versus RHP last year.


Thames had a 110 wRC+ vs RHP too even after his horrible finish (139 wRC+ vs. RHP in 2017), though I can't see them fully platooning Braun. A couple extra weapons off the bench for Braun's (likely frequent) days off to rest.


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Posted: January 10, 2019, 8:48 PM Post
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I'll remind all that grandal is significantly better against rhp than lhp. I would never stack him and shaw against lhp. We have the bats that it isn't difficult to do


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Posted: January 11, 2019, 12:23 PM Post
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Against RHP:

CF Cain
RF Gamel
LF Yelich
3B Shaw
C Grandal
1B Aguilar
2B Spangenberg
SS Arcia
P

Against LHP

CF Cain
LF Braun
RF Yelich
1B Aguilar
C Grandal
2B Perez
3B Shaw
SS Arcia
P

I wonder if the Brewers will give Shaw a chance to play against lefties early in the year. If not, I feel that Moose is an option to return and play third with Shaw moving over to second against righties. If Moose signs somewhere else, they could bring in a right handed hitting third baseman to platoon with Shaw. Danny Valencia is a solid option to platoon with Shaw and should only cost a couple million. He is a fantastic hitter against lefties.


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Posted: January 11, 2019, 12:39 PM Post
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Cain
Yelich
Followed by some combination of Shaw/Braun/Grandal/Aguilar in the next 4 spots. Ideally alternating L/R somewhat.

That's about as specific as I care to be; batting order has little impact beyond the obvious stuff like hitting your best hitters nearer the top. Cain just just perfectly suited to lead off, and based on last year Yelich is our best and most well-rounded hitter so should stay exactly where he was for most of the year, in the #2 spot. With Yelich at #2, having Shaw at #4 obviously makes a lot of sense too.


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Posted: January 11, 2019, 1:41 PM Post
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I think Pina will get most of the starts vs LHP.

The David Stearns era: Controllable Young Talent. Watch the Jedi work his magic!


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Posted: January 11, 2019, 1:47 PM Post
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3and2Fastball said:
I think Pina will get most of the starts vs LHP.


Unfortunately, Pina is in the same boat as Grandal. He's much better career against RHP than LHP, about 100 OPS better. If I remember correctly, Arcia is a reverse splits guys as well. Having a 2b that can mash lefties is going to be pretty important.


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Posted: January 11, 2019, 4:20 PM Post
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CF Cain - 11.5% BB, 15.2% K
LF Braun - 7.6% BB, 19% K
RF Yelich - 10.4% BB, 20.7% K
1B Aguilar - 10.2% BB, 25.3% K
C Grandal - 13.9% BB, 23.9% K
3B Shaw - 13.3% BB, 18.4% K
SS Arcia - 4.1% BB, 23.8% K


2B Perez - 5.1% BB, 21.3% K
RF Gamel - 10.6% BB, 20.8% K
2B Spangenberg - 7.6% BB, 32.8% K
C Pina - 6.2% BB, 18.4% K

Seems like Stearns is intentionally getting rid of the high K guys like Broxton, Santana, Phillips, Villar, etc. I'll add that I'd bet good money on Arcia having a higher BB rate and lower K rate this year. Thames also fits the high k mold like the previously mentioned 3.


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Posted: January 11, 2019, 8:50 PM Post
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CF Cain - 11.5% BB, 15.2% K
LF Braun - 7.6% BB, 19% K
RF Yelich - 10.4% BB, 20.7% K
1B Aguilar - 10.2% BB, 25.3% K
C Grandal - 13.9% BB, 23.9% K
3B Shaw - 13.3% BB, 18.4% K
SS Arcia - 4.1% BB, 23.8% K


2B Perez - 5.1% BB, 21.3% K
RF Gamel - 10.6% BB, 20.8% K
2B Spangenberg - 7.6% BB, 32.8% K
C Pina - 6.2% BB, 18.4% K

Seems like Stearns is intentionally getting rid of the high K guys like Broxton, Santana, Phillips, Villar, etc. I'll add that I'd bet good money on Arcia having a higher BB rate and lower K rate this year. Thames also fits the high k mold like the previously mentioned 3.


What were the k %s of the guys they got rid of


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Posted: January 11, 2019, 10:58 PM Post
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MVP2110 said:
KeithStone53151 said:

What were the k %s of the guys they got rid of

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Posted: January 11, 2019, 11:09 PM Post
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Without looking, id bet over 30% on all guys i mentioned. Villar might be 28, the other 3 might even be closer to 35. K rates were ugly


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Posted: February 24, 2019, 9:30 AM Post
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Bumping this thread now that the position player side of the roster seems mostly set.

In 2018 the league average OPS was .728. Last season the Brewers had the 2nd best OPS versus RHP in the National League with a .749 OPS. They were 7th in the National League versus LHP at a .742 OPS.

Below is last year’s OPS splits versus Right-Handed Pitchers and Left-Handed Pitchers among the players most likely to make the Brewers’ opening day roster in 2019.

OPS vs. RHP in 2018

C. Yelich	1.007
Travis Shaw 0.892
Jesús Aguilar 0.876
Yasmani Grandal 0.844
Eric Thames 0.804
Mike Moustakas 0.798
Lorenzo Cain 0.753
Ryan Braun 0.745
Ben Gamel 0.742
Manny Piña 0.739
C. Spangenberg 0.725
Hernán Pérez 0.612
Orlando Arcia 0.570


OPS vs. LHP in 2018

C. Yelich	0.983
Lorenzo Cain 0.979
Jesús Aguilar 0.929
Ryan Braun 0.859
Hernán Pérez 0.783
Yasmani Grandal 0.727
Mike Moustakas 0.721
Ben Gamel 0.663
Eric Thames 0.612
Travis Shaw 0.599
Orlando Arcia 0.596
Manny Piña 0.577
C. Spangenberg 0.417


Obviously they face right-handed pitching more often, and the team appears well positioned to have a good amount of offensive success against them. They have an incredible 10 hitters who were above the MLB average OPS versus RHP. It may be a different story on the other side of the coin where the bottom half of the lineup is more likely to struggle versus southpaws.


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Posted: February 24, 2019, 7:10 PM Post
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Overall improvement from Arcia should help the bottom of the lineup vs. LHP.


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Posted: February 24, 2019, 7:22 PM Post
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NYChez said:
Overall improvement from Arcia should help the bottom of the lineup vs. LHP.

+1
And RHP


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Posted: February 25, 2019, 6:21 AM Post
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Granted it was in the minors, but worth noting for the OPS splits above that Keston Hiura had a .994 OPS versus LHP last season (not counting AFL stats).


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Posted: April 28, 2019, 2:19 PM Post
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No longer buying the "Braun still hits lefties" commentary after today's ballgame. Braun should not be placed above #6 in the batting order against any pitcher until he puts up a solid 2 weeks of at-bats together. Good grief, the guy is down to a .245 OBP overall and against lefties he's slashed .179/.258/.383/.651...and there he is back in the #3 spot because he was a really great hitter three years ago.

Extensive commentary on Aguilar isn't even needed at this point. Even against lefties, he probably should be hitting 7th in the batting order.

I was all for getting Hernan some more at-bats because he started off pretty well this year, but not surprisingly he is fading fast.

Having Braun at #3, Aguilar at #4 and Perez at #6 to begin a ballgame is almost asking for a loss. If I was the opposing manager and saw this, Yelich would be intentionally walked 90% of the time.


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Posted: April 28, 2019, 2:47 PM Post
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Sit Braun and play Taylor after calling him up. Braun can pinch hit. Call up Hiura and play him at second. Moose to third. Sit Shaw. He can pinch hit. Do this for the entire homestand. No Aguilar No Shaw No Braun


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