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Posted: January 28, 2019, 9:53 PM Post
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Lathund said:
The man himself says the changes aren't massive. Which is probably good.

"What [Wallenbrock's group] taught almost all of them is my swing, but there are some little things that I think I used to do better than I do now," Braun said. "It's fun to get back to the drawing board and see if I can make some of the adjustments I need to. The offseason is when you have the time to do that stuff.

"There's really good drills that they introduced me to that I've never done before, that I think help get you back to a good place with your swing. There's a ton of drills, but the biggest thing is getting my bat path to a place where I'm staying through the ball better instead of coming around the ball and cutting it off a little bit. That's kind of what everything is designed to do."

Only the keenest eyes will see a change in his swing, Braun said. But he's hoping the work shows up in his results.

I think the bolded part is the key -- little things he used to do that he needs to get back to doing like he used to do them, not how he's recently done them. It doesn't take much divergence from prior good techniques/habits for the change to be detrimental to the results.


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Posted: January 28, 2019, 10:15 PM Post
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Watch, Braun will have an MVP season in 2019 by hitting .300 with 35-40 bombs [tongue]


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Posted: January 29, 2019, 7:55 AM Post
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Braun has always used a heavy long bat. He gets great plate coverage and has learned to shoot balls to the right side, but he's always had trouble with hard stuff inside. Since he doesn't turn on the fastballs like he once did, I've always wondered why he didn't go to a lighter bat. No indication that that's part of the plan but realizing he's 35, maybe he should consider a lighter bat?


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Posted: January 29, 2019, 8:03 AM Post
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Braun has always used a heavy long bat. He gets great plate coverage and has learned to shoot balls to the right side, but he's always had trouble with hard stuff inside. Since he doesn't turn on the fastballs like he once did, I've always wondered why he didn't go to a lighter bat. No indication that that's part of the plan but realizing he's 35, maybe he should consider a lighter bat?


This just seems logical. Shorten the bat by 1.5 inches and stand a couple inches closer to the plate.


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Posted: January 29, 2019, 9:22 AM Post
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Braun struck out in only .5% more of his at bats last season than his career average. He’s still a great hitter, he just smoked the ball right at guys last season.


And if a higher percentage of those 100+ exit velocity outs go over the fence...that raises his avg, obp, and slugging.

If Braun thinks it's the best thing to do, he's probably right and it will probably be a good adjustment.


If only it was that simple. It's not. Altering the plane of your swing is not an automatic positive outcome. Since he was hitting the ball quite hard last year there's plenty of reason to say don't change a thing.


Well right, it's not that simple. But a change isn't also a guaranteed bad outcome. It's really tough to argue that the guy JD Martinez hired and transformed him from an upper 800s ops guy to an over 1000 ops star is a bad guy to hire to help you with your swing/mechanics.


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Posted: January 29, 2019, 9:37 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Braun has always used a heavy long bat. He gets great plate coverage and has learned to shoot balls to the right side, but he's always had trouble with hard stuff inside. Since he doesn't turn on the fastballs like he once did, I've always wondered why he didn't go to a lighter bat. No indication that that's part of the plan but realizing he's 35, maybe he should consider a lighter bat?


This just seems logical. Shorten the bat by 1.5 inches and stand a couple inches closer to the plate.


All you are doing is reorganizing deck chairs. There is a negative to a shorter bat (can't reach as far) and standing closer to the plate (get beat to heck inside more than he does now). You are basically asking him to shorten 1.5 inches and then make up for it by then standing 1.5 inches closer. Can't say that will do much. I would think Ryan Braun tests bats all offseason and tries a lighter and/or shorter bat.

I have heard Braun talk about hitting etc. multiple times over the years and would applaud any change he would like to make. I think he has made great adjustments over the years to stay a competent hitter. For many players the thumb injury would have been crippling to their career, but Braun has managed to still be a pretty decent hitter.

If he can successfully change his launch angle he should flirt with 30 homers. He was hitting the ball hard last year a lot, but they were turning into outs. That was no fluke and it isn't surprising many became outs...because of his launch angle. I don't know if he can be 2016 Braun, but I would not be shocked if he could manage a high .800 OPS. All that depends on if he can actually get the higher launch angle to successfully AND consistently happen in games.


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Posted: January 29, 2019, 9:51 AM Post
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Braun has always used a heavy long bat. He gets great plate coverage and has learned to shoot balls to the right side, but he's always had trouble with hard stuff inside. Since he doesn't turn on the fastballs like he once did, I've always wondered why he didn't go to a lighter bat. No indication that that's part of the plan but realizing he's 35, maybe he should consider a lighter bat?


You say that as though it's a fact, but in reality, over the past 3 seasons, Braun has struggled with outside pitches not inside ones, as well as balls down in the zone.

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Posted: January 29, 2019, 9:59 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
Braun has always used a heavy long bat. He gets great plate coverage and has learned to shoot balls to the right side, but he's always had trouble with hard stuff inside. Since he doesn't turn on the fastballs like he once did, I've always wondered why he didn't go to a lighter bat. No indication that that's part of the plan but realizing he's 35, maybe he should consider a lighter bat?


You say that as though it's a fact, but in reality, over the past 3 seasons, Braun has struggled with outside pitches not inside ones, as well as balls down in the zone.

https://www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=3410&position=OF&ss=2016-04-04&se=2018-10-01&type=5&hand=all&count=all&blur=1&grid=10&view=bat&pitch=&season=all&data=

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You included 2016 which was a good year for Braun inside. If you do just 2018 he was infact pretty terrible with inside pitches too. Compare the last two years to some of the earlier years pre-2015. The change is pretty dramatic.

I will say he sucks with the outside pitches to so helping him get inside pitches with a smaller/shorter bat is likely to just negate any help when he sucks even worse on the outside edge. It could actually make him so bad on the outside edge it could be crippling. as a pitcher would be unhittable if hitting the outside edge.


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Posted: January 29, 2019, 10:13 AM Post
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I see this as white noise at this stage in his career. Strikes me as another one of those offseason stories that gets fans all excited. "Pitcher X is working on a changeup, which could be a huge plus for him." Maybe it helps him a bit, but he's on the declining part of his career. There aren't any fountains of youth..... since banning steroids.


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Posted: January 29, 2019, 11:56 AM Post
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Maybe Braun should just mail it in and sit on the pine 162 games, since he can't seem to please anyone these days.


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Posted: January 30, 2019, 5:58 PM Post
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He's discovered an undetectable "clear" and needs an excuse for when he puts up a .975+ OPS again this season. It was the hitting coach, Yep, that's it (!)
Go Ryan Go!


Don't want to hijack the thread, especially given the blue text...but isn't it generally accepted that Ryan was using something strictly during the late summer of the 2011 season, in order to heal quickly for the 2011 post-season? I'm generally apathetic towards PED use anyways, so I largely don't care about Braun or McGwire or anybody who has used. Just thought it was generally accepted that Braun had clean tests before and after and only used during some later months in 2011.


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Posted: January 31, 2019, 8:59 AM Post
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3and2Fastball said:
He's discovered an undetectable "clear" and needs an excuse for when he puts up a .975+ OPS again this season. It was the hitting coach, Yep, that's it (!)
Go Ryan Go!


Don't want to hijack the thread, especially given the blue text...but isn't it generally accepted that Ryan was using something strictly during the late summer of the 2011 season, in order to heal quickly for the 2011 post-season? I'm generally apathetic towards PED use anyways, so I largely don't care about Braun or McGwire or anybody who has used. Just thought it was generally accepted that Braun had clean tests before and after and only used during some later months in 2011.


We know he consulted with Biogenesis... and MLB used that to justify re-imposing his suspension, and then tacking on some extra time. It stank to high heaven.

But the test sample was mishandled, per the arbitration ruling. Apparently, Braun's team replicated it. It speaks volumes that the arbitrator who ruled in favor of Braun citing the mishandling of the sample was fired AND that MLB and the MLBPA made changes to the procedures.


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Posted: January 31, 2019, 9:02 AM Post
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Can we please stop the Braun steroids discussion right here? Seriously, it's like the song that never ends. That horse has decomposed to dust by now.


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Posted: January 31, 2019, 9:29 AM Post
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It speaks volumes that the arbitrator who ruled in favor of Braun citing the mishandling of the sample was fired AND that MLB and the MLBPA made changes to the procedures.


The arbitrator was fired because he ruled against MLB. No matter how legitimate his reasoning the MLB was going to fire anyone who caused them to lose. That is what happens when you rule against the people that pay you.

But yah, this topic really doesn't need to consume the thread. It is a nice legitimate thread/topic.


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Can we please stop the Braun steroids discussion right here? Seriously, it's like the song that never ends. That horse has decomposed to dust by now.


Nope, Braun and steroids are forever linked. A large part of it was obviously his own doing with all the grandstanding proclamations of innocence and how he was victimized by the system. If some people want to cheer for him, that's perfectly fine. If some people want to make snide remarks about him until the end of time, that should be fine too.


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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Can we please stop the Braun steroids discussion right here? Seriously, it's like the song that never ends. That horse has decomposed to dust by now.


Nope, Braun and steroids are forever linked. A large part of it was obviously his own doing with all the grandstanding proclamations of innocence and how he was victimized by the system. If some people want to cheer for him, that's perfectly fine. If some people want to make snide remarks about him until the end of time, that should be fine too.


Exactly.

And referring to a previous post: no, I don't think it's at all a given that he only cheated once. The leaked transcripts referring to the "Braun Advantage" were supposedly all about how to regularly beat tests with careful timing of when to use fast-acting testosterone and have it out of your system quickly. Braun's advantage was rumored to be the fact that his baseline testosterone was very high, making it harder hit the threshold of 300 or 400% of a player's baseline level or whatever it required to flag a sample for further testing.

I think it's fair to say that he didn't cheat in the same way Bonds or Sosa did, but rather just to heal faster. He could have been MVP without cheating if he could have regularly stayed healthy without cheating.


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If you want to talk about Braun and steroids do it in another thread. This one is about his swing change. Thanks.

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Posted: January 31, 2019, 10:06 AM Post
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If you want to talk about Braun and steroids do it in another thread. This one is about his swing change. Thanks.


We need a "Beat Dead Horses Here" thread. Then we can just redirect Braun steroids, Braun 3B, Hernan Perez $30mil extension, Hader's twitter, Doug Melvin, Suppan, HighHeat, etc. to one happy horse beating place!


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Posted: January 31, 2019, 10:33 AM Post
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Just to throw this thread completely off the rails...$30 mil extension for Hernan Perez? I must have completely missed that one.


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Just to throw this thread completely off the rails...$30 mil extension for Hernan Perez? I must have completely missed that one.


2019 Plan:
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2017 Plan:
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5/$25mil was the highest recommendation.


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