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Posted: August 10, 2019, 9:26 PM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
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Friday night’s game was case in point for what’s wrong with baseball. A 4-hour game with 18 walks and 19 strikeouts. Only 6 balls landed safely in the outfield, the other 6 hits were HRs or infield singles. Yuck.

Does anyone actually watch the whole game?? A 6-5 game with a walk off HR should be exciting but that game was slow and excruciating.


That is exactly what I meant in my previous post about the aesthetic value of baseball not being up to par in the current iteration of the game. Last night's game was an absolute abomination to watch.


Agree and I love baseball... more contact, more action on the bases, less down time... the current action reminds me of current pro tennis with too many aces and unforced errors on the baselines. It was much better to watch in the 70s and 80s when the serve didn't dominate and net play was more common.


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Posted: August 10, 2019, 9:51 PM Post
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Agree and I love baseball... more contact, more action on the bases, less down time... the current action reminds me of current pro tennis with too many aces and unforced errors on the baselines. It was much better to watch in the 70s and 80s when the serve didn't dominate and net play was more common.


Whats this tennis you speak of?


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Posted: August 10, 2019, 10:54 PM Post
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Almost everyone is trying to hit a home run now in every inning, every count, every situation. Probably 90% of the time that MLB players swing the bat the goal is a home run. Any other game action is purely accidental or will be soon.

That's all the justification I need for major rule changes to RESTORE the game to a previous state. Baseball has already changed to something new, the goal of any changes should be to get things back to what I would argue is a better version of baseball.

Attendance is down 4,000 fans/game from the peak in the late-2000s but it is clear visually that WAY more people are leaving the game in the 6th-8th inning than they used to, generally because that's when games are hitting the 2.5-hour mark. The fans are not invested in the outcome because the games are too long.

My main solution is to make stolen bases WAY easier (similar to the current test in the Atlantic league with pitchers needing to step off)--ideally a 75% success rate for the average runner and nearly 100% for the fastest guys in the league. That should greatly change the value equation in favor of fast, exciting but lower-OPS guys who are currently headed to extinction. I also think it is a way to make 3TO baseball more exciting since a walk should lead to more movement on the bases.


It's not that although from a fan's view point it can look like that. heres a real good article on what they are trying to do.

https://prospects365.com/2019/08/04/new-age-hitting/

It's about doing Damage and they are finding they can do more damage the harder the ball is hit and it's not just Home Runs more Doubles fall in by hitting the ball hard and simply put that's not going away for the simple fact It's working.


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Posted: August 11, 2019, 2:31 PM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
owbc said:
Friday night’s game was case in point for what’s wrong with baseball. A 4-hour game with 18 walks and 19 strikeouts. Only 6 balls landed safely in the outfield, the other 6 hits were HRs or infield singles. Yuck.

Does anyone actually watch the whole game?? A 6-5 game with a walk off HR should be exciting but that game was slow and excruciating.


That is exactly what I meant in my previous post about the aesthetic value of baseball not being up to par in the current iteration of the game. Last night's game was an absolute abomination to watch.

All of the shifting data is part of the reason why we see less hits.

Look how often say with runners on base, a batter hits a ball hard up the middle which used to almost always be a hit, now though a defender is standing right there and instead it's a double play.

For lefthanded batters with a pull tendency, they not only face three infielders on the pull side of the infield, the secondbaseman is playing in the outfield grass.

So for batters with a pretty extreme ground ball profile, they may as well swing for the fences given such a high percentage of their ground balls will end up being an out.


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Posted: August 11, 2019, 7:53 PM Post
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That is a good prospect 365 article.

I don't have a problem with more guys hitting home runs when the situation calls for it (which is basically what has happened...There isn't an increase in HRs from the top tier of guys like there was in the steroid era, there is just an increase in 2B, SS, CF, and catchers hitting for power when in the past those were mainly defensive and/or speed guys).

However, it does really bug me when there are certain situations where swinging "to do damage" as the article states results in more Ks when simply a single or even just a BIP will likely do the trick (scoring 1 run late to take the lead....getting guys in from 3rd...getting the lead off guy on base, etc.).

Still, as Danzig said, shifting is a bigger problem than hitting philosophy, since it's just plain a lot harder to hit singles against the shift.


How about just shortening the basepaths to 88 feet? Speedy ground ball guys' average and stolen base attempts/success rates would go way up making them more valuable. You'd have to give pitchers/D a little bit somewhere else though, or else R/game would go up way too much.

That's the odd thing about the "problem" in that teams aren't scoring a ton more runs than they used to, they are just doing it a different way that is mostly boring. HRs aren't boring, but BBs are, and Ks with guys on base are boring too.


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Posted: August 12, 2019, 8:39 AM Post
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Oxy said:
How about just shortening the basepaths to 88 feet? Speedy ground ball guys' average and stolen base attempts/success rates would go way up making them more valuable. You'd have to give pitchers/D a little bit somewhere else though, or else R/game would go up way too much.

That's the odd thing about the "problem" in that teams aren't scoring a ton more runs than they used to, they are just doing it a different way that is mostly boring. HRs aren't boring, but BBs are, and Ks with guys on base are boring too.


I believe the Atlantic League is now using larger bases (which effectively shortens the basepaths).

If the ball wasn't juiced we would see a dramatic decrease in offense...deadball era except with 3TO baseball and 3.5 hour games. Now that would be a disaster--hence why the ball can not be 'un-juiced' without other concurrent changes.


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Posted: August 12, 2019, 8:45 AM Post
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rickh150 said:
RoCoBrewfan said:
owbc said:
Friday night’s game was case in point for what’s wrong with baseball. A 4-hour game with 18 walks and 19 strikeouts. Only 6 balls landed safely in the outfield, the other 6 hits were HRs or infield singles. Yuck.

Does anyone actually watch the whole game?? A 6-5 game with a walk off HR should be exciting but that game was slow and excruciating.


That is exactly what I meant in my previous post about the aesthetic value of baseball not being up to par in the current iteration of the game. Last night's game was an absolute abomination to watch.


Agree and I love baseball... more contact, more action on the bases, less down time... the current action reminds me of current pro tennis with too many aces and unforced errors on the baselines. It was much better to watch in the 70s and 80s when the serve didn't dominate and net play was more common.


Should go back to wooden rackets! Seriously.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: August 12, 2019, 9:30 AM Post
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homer said:

Should go back to wooden rackets! Seriously.


I have my high schoolers hit overheads with wooden rackets since the sweet spot is so small.


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Posted: August 21, 2019, 9:22 PM Post
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This would seriously speed up the game but could screw up a lot of offensive stats as good teams would have fewer offensive innings than bad teams:

After the 6th inning, the team in the lead has the option to delay their next innings at bats--letting the trailing team consecutively use the offensive half of its innings until its 9 offensive innings are up (or it ties the game/takes the lead). If the trailing team takes the lead during this time, it shall finish the half inning that it is in and the other team would resume it's offensive at-bats where they left off.


It wouldn't have to be an "option" either...You could mandate that a team will not bat unless it is losing or it is winning by fewer runs than the number of innings it has left to bat.

So, if a team is up by 6 after 4 innings, it stops batting until the other team scores enough runs to make it a closer game (obviously still clearing the bases after 3 outs), at which point it would pick up again by batting in it's 5th inning (even if the other team is in the 8th inning of it's ABs)

Blowouts are really boring for both teams and it is mostly a waste of time for the team that is ahead to bat. The other team would still get it's 27 outs to make a miraculous comeback--and should that happen then the team that was originally ahead by a lot would also still get it's full 9 innings/27 outs to come back again.


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Posted: August 22, 2019, 10:04 AM Post
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The only issue I could see with that is let's say you score 10 in the first, now your pitcher doesn't get the normal breaks of when your team is batting. A lot of stress on arms. And it's still an issue with less severe examples too.

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Remember what Yoda said:

"Cubs lead to Cardinals. Cardinals lead to dislike. Dislike leads to hate. Hate leads to constipation."


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Posted: August 22, 2019, 8:14 PM Post
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Alex Cora's ideas are stupid. I won't even post them they are so stupid. Go look them up if you are so inclined.


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Posted: August 22, 2019, 9:37 PM Post
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The only issue I could see with that is let's say you score 10 in the first, now your pitcher doesn't get the normal breaks of when your team is batting. A lot of stress on arms. And it's still an issue with less severe examples too.


A team can have 2 "active" pitchers, so that one can sit on the bench and rest-however, if you "rest" a guy he has to stay on the bench until the next half inning--and any mid-inning pitching change will permanently remove the pitcher from the game.


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Posted: August 22, 2019, 9:52 PM Post
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That is a good prospect 365 article.

I don't have a problem with more guys hitting home runs when the situation calls for it (which is basically what has happened...There isn't an increase in HRs from the top tier of guys like there was in the steroid era, there is just an increase in 2B, SS, CF, and catchers hitting for power when in the past those were mainly defensive and/or speed guys).

However, it does really bug me when there are certain situations where swinging "to do damage" as the article states results in more Ks when simply a single or even just a BIP will likely do the trick (scoring 1 run late to take the lead....getting guys in from 3rd...getting the lead off guy on base, etc.).

Still, as Danzig said, shifting is a bigger problem than hitting philosophy, since it's just plain a lot harder to hit singles against the shift.


The way to get teams to stop shifting is to get players who have high rates of contact, and who are good at spraying the ball to all fields. That is what I'd have my scouts look for - mostly in the later rounds.

If you have hitters like that, teams will not shift.


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Posted: August 23, 2019, 8:36 AM Post
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The way to get teams to stop shifting is to get players who have high rates of contact, and who are good at spraying the ball to all fields. That is what I'd have my scouts look for - mostly in the later rounds.

If you have hitters like that, teams will not shift.



Yes, thank you! It's maddening to me to watch players (mostly lefties) go up to the plate with basically no one on the left side of the infield and just go about their AB like business as usual. Learn to bunt!! Learn to hit the other way! Change your approach! When I see those shifts, I imagine me going to a game in the 80's and Ben Oglivie comes to the plate and the other team does this wild shift (like they do now). The announcers are puzzled, the crowd is puzzled, Ben Oglivie is puzzled....really, your going to just not have anyone on the left side of the infield? Ok? I'll bunt.


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Posted: August 23, 2019, 9:45 AM Post
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I think the least intrusive way to speed up games is to just go to three ball walks, two pitch strkeouts.

Plus, it would add a nice wrinkle when singing Take Me Out To The Ballgame...

...for it's ONE, TWO, (silence) strikes yer out, at the old ballgame.


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Posted: August 23, 2019, 9:52 AM Post
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The best way to get teams to stop shifting is to get people on base.

Bunting isn't as easy as everyone likes to think it is. The failure rate would be stupidly high and a waste of so many ABs. I don't think people understand how good of a bunt Moustakas needs to get to first. Add in the fact even when they get on it is a single and puts a likely slow runner on...total waste. There is a reason teams usually don't care if a guy bunts to beat the shift. Lets think about it. Lets assume Moustakas bunts every single AB and has a success rate of .333. Awesome! A .333 average! Except his OPS would be a grand ole .666.

That is why teams don't care if you turn your .850 OPS hitter into a slow .666 OPS bunter. It is a terrible idea. Even a 1/3 success rate is probably being generous. Moustakas probably avoids the groundball shift more often than he would successfully drop a bunt down.

As far as "Learn to hit the other way, change your approach, etc."...good idea, we should try that with Arcia or with Braun regarding those sliders...or, oh wait. If only it was that simple. There is a recent article about shift prone players talking about how these suggestions aren't that easy. It is like anything else in baseball...sometimes you just struggle in that aspect of the game. If it was so easy everyone would be a Trout/Yelich.


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Posted: August 23, 2019, 2:03 PM Post
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When you shift against someone you pitch them inside so they can't go the other way.


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Posted: August 23, 2019, 7:54 PM Post
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Re: bunting

As plush pointed out, bunting is hard to do, let alone aim it. I've seen a few slow base runners bunt and actually bunt it pretty well and still get thrown out by a fielding pitcher.

I have a friend who won a national championship with Whitewater who hit middle of the order. He talks all the time about how hard it is to A make solid contact and B bunt it well enough for a hit. Also due to pitchers pitching inside and high.


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Posted: August 23, 2019, 8:02 PM Post
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I mean do we really have to look further than our own pitchers? They cannot put down a bunt to save their lives of any sort. Let alone, as stoutdude points out, aim it down the line and hard enough to get past the pitcher. Aiming a bunt down the line is very hard and you pretty much need a fastball to get it down and far enough.


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Posted: August 24, 2019, 1:22 AM Post
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I like watching a game evolve based on different strategy. Guys have realized a strikeout is just about as bad as any other out. A walk is as good as a hit, bunting is a stupid waste of an out, stealing a base is dumb if you get caught too often, put more defenders in areas the ball is more likely to be hit.

What I don't like is over legislation, yes a rule change here and there is fine, but when you have what we've seen in the NFL where the games are decided by how often the officials want to give away 15 yards. It gets pretty scary. The NFL of today is a convoluted mess of rules and resembles the game of football less and less each year. Watch a game from 5 to 10 years ago and it's a different sport.


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