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Posted: August 10, 2019, 9:26 PM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
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Friday night’s game was case in point for what’s wrong with baseball. A 4-hour game with 18 walks and 19 strikeouts. Only 6 balls landed safely in the outfield, the other 6 hits were HRs or infield singles. Yuck.

Does anyone actually watch the whole game?? A 6-5 game with a walk off HR should be exciting but that game was slow and excruciating.


That is exactly what I meant in my previous post about the aesthetic value of baseball not being up to par in the current iteration of the game. Last night's game was an absolute abomination to watch.


Agree and I love baseball... more contact, more action on the bases, less down time... the current action reminds me of current pro tennis with too many aces and unforced errors on the baselines. It was much better to watch in the 70s and 80s when the serve didn't dominate and net play was more common.


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Posted: August 10, 2019, 9:51 PM Post
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Agree and I love baseball... more contact, more action on the bases, less down time... the current action reminds me of current pro tennis with too many aces and unforced errors on the baselines. It was much better to watch in the 70s and 80s when the serve didn't dominate and net play was more common.


Whats this tennis you speak of?


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Posted: August 10, 2019, 10:54 PM Post
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Almost everyone is trying to hit a home run now in every inning, every count, every situation. Probably 90% of the time that MLB players swing the bat the goal is a home run. Any other game action is purely accidental or will be soon.

That's all the justification I need for major rule changes to RESTORE the game to a previous state. Baseball has already changed to something new, the goal of any changes should be to get things back to what I would argue is a better version of baseball.

Attendance is down 4,000 fans/game from the peak in the late-2000s but it is clear visually that WAY more people are leaving the game in the 6th-8th inning than they used to, generally because that's when games are hitting the 2.5-hour mark. The fans are not invested in the outcome because the games are too long.

My main solution is to make stolen bases WAY easier (similar to the current test in the Atlantic league with pitchers needing to step off)--ideally a 75% success rate for the average runner and nearly 100% for the fastest guys in the league. That should greatly change the value equation in favor of fast, exciting but lower-OPS guys who are currently headed to extinction. I also think it is a way to make 3TO baseball more exciting since a walk should lead to more movement on the bases.


It's not that although from a fan's view point it can look like that. heres a real good article on what they are trying to do.

https://prospects365.com/2019/08/04/new-age-hitting/

It's about doing Damage and they are finding they can do more damage the harder the ball is hit and it's not just Home Runs more Doubles fall in by hitting the ball hard and simply put that's not going away for the simple fact It's working.


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Posted: August 11, 2019, 2:31 PM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
owbc said:
Friday night’s game was case in point for what’s wrong with baseball. A 4-hour game with 18 walks and 19 strikeouts. Only 6 balls landed safely in the outfield, the other 6 hits were HRs or infield singles. Yuck.

Does anyone actually watch the whole game?? A 6-5 game with a walk off HR should be exciting but that game was slow and excruciating.


That is exactly what I meant in my previous post about the aesthetic value of baseball not being up to par in the current iteration of the game. Last night's game was an absolute abomination to watch.

All of the shifting data is part of the reason why we see less hits.

Look how often say with runners on base, a batter hits a ball hard up the middle which used to almost always be a hit, now though a defender is standing right there and instead it's a double play.

For lefthanded batters with a pull tendency, they not only face three infielders on the pull side of the infield, the secondbaseman is playing in the outfield grass.

So for batters with a pretty extreme ground ball profile, they may as well swing for the fences given such a high percentage of their ground balls will end up being an out.


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Posted: August 11, 2019, 7:53 PM Post
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That is a good prospect 365 article.

I don't have a problem with more guys hitting home runs when the situation calls for it (which is basically what has happened...There isn't an increase in HRs from the top tier of guys like there was in the steroid era, there is just an increase in 2B, SS, CF, and catchers hitting for power when in the past those were mainly defensive and/or speed guys).

However, it does really bug me when there are certain situations where swinging "to do damage" as the article states results in more Ks when simply a single or even just a BIP will likely do the trick (scoring 1 run late to take the lead....getting guys in from 3rd...getting the lead off guy on base, etc.).

Still, as Danzig said, shifting is a bigger problem than hitting philosophy, since it's just plain a lot harder to hit singles against the shift.


How about just shortening the basepaths to 88 feet? Speedy ground ball guys' average and stolen base attempts/success rates would go way up making them more valuable. You'd have to give pitchers/D a little bit somewhere else though, or else R/game would go up way too much.

That's the odd thing about the "problem" in that teams aren't scoring a ton more runs than they used to, they are just doing it a different way that is mostly boring. HRs aren't boring, but BBs are, and Ks with guys on base are boring too.


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Posted: August 12, 2019, 8:39 AM Post
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How about just shortening the basepaths to 88 feet? Speedy ground ball guys' average and stolen base attempts/success rates would go way up making them more valuable. You'd have to give pitchers/D a little bit somewhere else though, or else R/game would go up way too much.

That's the odd thing about the "problem" in that teams aren't scoring a ton more runs than they used to, they are just doing it a different way that is mostly boring. HRs aren't boring, but BBs are, and Ks with guys on base are boring too.


I believe the Atlantic League is now using larger bases (which effectively shortens the basepaths).

If the ball wasn't juiced we would see a dramatic decrease in offense...deadball era except with 3TO baseball and 3.5 hour games. Now that would be a disaster--hence why the ball can not be 'un-juiced' without other concurrent changes.


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Posted: August 12, 2019, 8:45 AM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
owbc said:
Friday night’s game was case in point for what’s wrong with baseball. A 4-hour game with 18 walks and 19 strikeouts. Only 6 balls landed safely in the outfield, the other 6 hits were HRs or infield singles. Yuck.

Does anyone actually watch the whole game?? A 6-5 game with a walk off HR should be exciting but that game was slow and excruciating.


That is exactly what I meant in my previous post about the aesthetic value of baseball not being up to par in the current iteration of the game. Last night's game was an absolute abomination to watch.


Agree and I love baseball... more contact, more action on the bases, less down time... the current action reminds me of current pro tennis with too many aces and unforced errors on the baselines. It was much better to watch in the 70s and 80s when the serve didn't dominate and net play was more common.


Should go back to wooden rackets! Seriously.

"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006


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Posted: August 12, 2019, 9:30 AM Post
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homer said:

Should go back to wooden rackets! Seriously.


I have my high schoolers hit overheads with wooden rackets since the sweet spot is so small.


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