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Posted: February 07, 2019, 1:34 PM Post
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Philadelphia and Miami are in agreement on a trade that would send All-Star catcher J.T. Realmuto to the Phillies for catcher Jorge Alfaro, pitching prospects Sixto Sanchez and Will Stewart, and an international bonus slot, league sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN.


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Posted: February 07, 2019, 1:37 PM Post
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I know Sanchez is highly ranked, but there's a ton of risk in that arm and he's still in the low minors. A ton of red flags. This package looks like much less than some of the packages discussed in the Realmuto thread. Notably Hiura has more value than the entire package by himself.


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Posted: February 07, 2019, 1:46 PM Post
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Sanchez is the big get here, but I personally don't see him as a much better prospect than Freddy Peralta. Stewart is a solid prospect who probably tops out as a mid-rotation starter. Alfaro is a solid young catcher. All in all, considering what the Marlins were asking for initially, this really is kind of underwhelming. The package they got from the Brewers for Yelich is MUCH better than this.

A similar Brewers package I think would be Peralta, Nottingham and Aaron Ashby. Alfaro is probably a bit ahead of Nottingham, with Ashby perhaps a bit ahead of Stewart.


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FINALLY


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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
The package they got from the Brewers for Yelich is MUCH better than this


The Yelich package probably had twice as much value as this package, maybe more.


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Looks like a pretty risky trade for the Marlins. Alfaro strikes out a TON, but does have legit power at the catching position. Stewart has a long way to go to make an impact at the MLB level. Sixto Sanchez is a nice get for the Marlins. Overall a decent trade, but I thought they could of done better.


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Looks like a pretty risky trade for the Marlins. Alfaro strikes out a TON, but does have legit power at the catching position. Stewart has a long way to go to make an impact at the MLB level. Sixto Sanchez is a nice get for the Marlins. Overall a decent trade, but I thought they could of done better.


Makes me wonder if the Brewers were ever engaged with the Marlins on Realmuto, pre-Grandal signing? I think I would have given up a Peralta/Ashby/Nottingham package and not looked back.


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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
The package they got from the Brewers for Yelich is MUCH better than this


The Yelich package probably had twice as much value as this package, maybe more.


Well yeah, it was 5 years vs 2 years for players with not dissimilar production so twice as much value makes sense even if there are obviously other considerations in play too. But as a baseline it makes sense.


Alfaro is also probably being underrated by many. It's 5 years of team control for a catcher who has a 99 OPS+ (i.e far above average for a catcher) in his first 500 PAs,


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Lathund said:
KeithStone53151 said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
The package they got from the Brewers for Yelich is MUCH better than this


The Yelich package probably had twice as much value as this package, maybe more.


Well yeah, it was 5 years vs 2 years for players with not dissimilar production so twice as much value makes sense even if there are obviously other considerations in play too. But as a baseline it makes sense.


Alfaro is also probably being underrated by many. It's 5 years of team control for a catcher who has a 99 OPS+ (i.e far above average for a catcher) in his first 500 PAs,


The reason we mention Yelich, in the rumors thread a significant number of people were expecting a return similar to Yelich. It was obvious from day 1 that Realmuto was never going to fetch that type of return.


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Posted: February 07, 2019, 2:15 PM Post

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I am glad the Brewers didnt trade for him (although that price is reasonable). I like JTR but the day he stops catching (whenever that ends up being) is the day he is a ho-hum player, and that has always been my fear, that the Brewers would trade for him and then to keep him healthy he plays a bunch of 1b or something. (not that he has a history of injuries, but he is a catcher for goodness sakes)


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RollieTime said:
Looks like a pretty risky trade for the Marlins. Alfaro strikes out a TON, but does have legit power at the catching position. Stewart has a long way to go to make an impact at the MLB level. Sixto Sanchez is a nice get for the Marlins. Overall a decent trade, but I thought they could of done better.


Makes me wonder if the Brewers were ever engaged with the Marlins on Realmuto, pre-Grandal signing? I think I would have given up a Peralta/Ashby/Nottingham package and not looked back.


I would think Stearns had conversations with the Marlins. The value in giving up 6 years of Hiura, Burnes, or Peralta for just 2 years of Realmuto was probably just too much. Plus, signing Grandal “only” costs money and we are able to keep all of our prospects. That’s the big thing. Grandal might not be the top catcher in the game, but he is definitely a top 3 catcher in baseball while keeping all of our minor league and major league talent.


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Realmuto has the potential to put up huge numbers in that ballpark. Will be interesting to follow.

The David Stearns era: Controllable Young Talent. Watch the Jedi work his magic!


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Well, that settles it. Brewers-Phillies will be playing to go to the series this year.


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Posted: February 07, 2019, 2:24 PM Post
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I'm just glad he didn't go to the Cubs, Cards, Reds or Pirates.

Now we just have to dodge Harper or Machado joining a division rival.


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Sanchez is the big get here, but I personally don't see him as a much better prospect than Freddy Peralta. Stewart is a solid prospect who probably tops out as a mid-rotation starter. Alfaro is a solid young catcher. All in all, considering what the Marlins were asking for initially, this really is kind of underwhelming. The package they got from the Brewers for Yelich is MUCH better than this.

A similar Brewers package I think would be Peralta, Nottingham and Aaron Ashby. Alfaro is probably a bit ahead of Nottingham, with Ashby perhaps a bit ahead of Stewart.


that seems like a similar package and I'd have done that trade. Not jonesing to trade Peralta or anything but you have to give something. All the crazy ones thrown out here I wouldn't have, but that seems reasonable. Plus you'd have some money available now to have signed a 2B/IF instead of C.


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My dynasty fantasy team welcomes this trade.


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Well, that settles it. Brewers-Phillies will be playing to go to the series this year.


After they sign Machado and Harper....

And game 6 ends in Miller Park with Hader striking out Machado looking and Harper flailing!


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RollieTime said:
I would think Stearns had conversations with the Marlins. The value in giving up 6 years of Hiura, Burnes, or Peralta for just 2 years of Realmuto was probably just too much. Plus, signing Grandal “only” costs money and we are able to keep all of our prospects. That’s the big thing. Grandal might not be the top catcher in the game, but he is definitely a top 3 catcher in baseball while keeping all of our minor league and major league talent.


Grandal did also cost a 3rd-round pick in the 2019 draft. But at this point... Nottingham I could have been okay with dealing, but Ashby and Peralta... no.


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Realmuto 2018: .773 OPS at Home, .870 OPS Away

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