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Posted: February 08, 2019, 9:32 AM Post
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One of probably a few more meh signings. Most of these don't make the MLB roster, every so often you get a Miley or Aguilar though. No risk, potentially high reward.


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Posted: February 09, 2019, 8:39 AM Post
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Between Tomlin and Matt Albers, Brewers will have 2 guys in camp that allowed 35 HR in 105 innings combined in 2018. I can see hitters fighting to take BP off these two in Arizona.


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Posted: February 09, 2019, 11:02 PM Post
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Doesn’t strike anybody out and gives up a ton of home runs, but doesn’t walk many people at all. They must of saw something they want to try with him that could help him be successful. Possibly an insurance bullpen arm?


It sounds like throws strikes consistently but has really hittable stuff...?

That's a bad combination... if he doesn't learn to risk nibbling at the corners, he doesn't have much of a future in the game...


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Posted: February 11, 2019, 7:25 AM Post
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This is the same type of signing Miley was last year - a guy with a good mlb track record years ago who has struggled recently, prompting him to try to retool his pitch repertoire in hopes of remaining a big leaguer. Boom or bust type move with zero longterm risk...why not?


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Posted: February 11, 2019, 9:24 AM Post
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This is the same type of signing Miley was last year - a guy with a good mlb track record years ago who has struggled recently, prompting him to try to retool his pitch repertoire in hopes of remaining a big leaguer. Boom or bust type move with zero longterm risk...why not?


I don't know if I'd say Tomlin has ever had a "good mlb track record". He's only had an ERA+ over 100 twice in 8 seasons, 143 in 2015 and 103 in 2016. It's at 88 for his career. He looks like he does a decent job of limiting baserunners, he's got a very low BB/9 of 1.3 for his career, and his WHIP's reflect that as they're generally around 1.2ish. But his k rate is pretty low at 6.1 per 9. I know nothing about his repertoire but if working at driveline has increased his velocity and sharpened his pitches leading to a few more K's, then couple that with the Brewers great defense and maybe he can put together a good season.


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Posted: February 13, 2019, 10:16 PM Post
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Well to be fair Miley only had 2 seasons with an ERA+ over 100 going into last season so not much difference. I do think Miley had shown some upside in his peripherals going into the season while Tomlin has shown mostly that he is done the last few years.


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Posted: February 22, 2019, 10:24 AM Post
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Interesting article about Josh Tomlin and Driveline, about what he has learned about his mechanics and pitch usage.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/josh-tomlin ... driveline/


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Posted: February 22, 2019, 11:06 AM Post
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Interesting article about Josh Tomlin and Driveline, about what he has learned about his mechanics and pitch usage.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/josh-tomlin ... driveline/


Lots of good stuff in there. Makes me wonder if the Brewers have a strong connection with Driveline. At the very least they obviously value the work being done there. Tomlin trained at Driveline from January 8-17th and then signed the minor league deal with Milwaukee on February 7th. Did someone at Driveline tip the Brewers off that Tomlin made some huge strides? Does Driveline shop their data to MLB teams? Do the players themselves take the data and then present it to teams? I'm very curious about how that works.

The article hopefully helps people get over the loss of Derek Johnson. There's much more to the Brewers success with pitchers than their former pitching coach.


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Posted: February 22, 2019, 11:24 AM Post
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Did a little digging and saw that recent minor league pitching coach hire Cameron Castro was hired away from Driveline.


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Posted: February 22, 2019, 11:28 AM Post
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Doesn't address your inquiries specifically, TBBC, but this recent FG article about Junior College scouting has a number of interesting tidbits about how data collection is getting more intensive even at the lower levels of the amateur side. Kind of makes you wonder how much stuff like this maybe played into drafting guys like Ashby, Howell, Francis & others from the JC ranks over the last couple two tree drafts...

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/junior-coll ... tleground/


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Posted: February 22, 2019, 11:32 AM Post
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I appreciate how open Tomlin is to change. Not everyone is open enough to reinvent themselves as a pitcher to this magnitude...at age 34.


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Posted: February 22, 2019, 11:40 AM Post
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Doesn't address your inquiries specifically, TBBC, but this recent FG article about Junior College scouting has a number of interesting tidbits about how data collection is getting more intensive even at the lower levels of the amateur side. Kind of makes you wonder how much stuff like this maybe played into drafting guys like Ashby, Howell, Francis & others from the JC ranks over the last couple two tree drafts...

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/junior-coll ... tleground/


Thanks for sharing. It makes sense that technology is making it easier to mine talent from JCs or even more obscure sources. Level of competition has always made it difficult to assess what you have in a player who is competing versus lesser regarded talent. But things like spin rate and exit velocity can be now measured anywhere. Via video and data collection, a hidden gem or a prospect with an elite characteristic can now be found anywhere. Previously a scout might write off a player due to the competition.

It paints the picture as to how the Brewers prospects might perform better than where presently ranked by traditional scouting metrics. Human scouts shunning data or at minimum not embracing it are going to be outclassed by technology. And I say that as someone related to a long time MLB scout. It's not easy to say but it's true.


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Posted: February 22, 2019, 11:43 AM Post
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I appreciate how open Tomlin is to change. Not everyone is open enough to reinvent themselves as a pitcher to this magnitude...at age 34.


It must be invigorating for players with the end of their careers staring them in the face. Learning that you had an untapped ability that not only could significantly extend your career, but potentially lead to some of your best years.


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Posted: March 20, 2019, 6:04 AM Post

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tomlin can opt out of his contract on 21 march if not assured by the brewers that he will break camp with the club. the brewers can also pay him a $100,000 retention bonus to keep him in the minor leagues until presumably, 1 june. it's unclear if that retention bonus works like a club option or a mutual option.

tomlin appears willing to go to class aaa san antonio if no better offers arise.


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Posted: March 20, 2019, 10:34 AM Post
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Josh Tomlin has been released per Robert Murray.


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Posted: March 20, 2019, 10:58 AM Post
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Surprising that Tomlin has been released, he has pitched a lot better than Davis and Anderson in ST. Could potentially be the next Miley for the Brewers.


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To be clear about Josh Tomlin, he opted out of his contract with #Brewers, as was his right. Will now entertain outside offers. With his experience level, wouldn't be shocking if got another job.


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https://twitter.com/byrobertmurray/stat ... 64642?s=21


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Posted: March 21, 2019, 7:47 AM Post

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tomlin is hoping to crack the braves' roster. minor league deal with invite to big league camp.


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