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When Will Keston Hiura Arrive In Milwaukee?

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Posted: May 09, 2019, 11:56 AM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
So are the Cubs really lining up lefty starters weeks in advance just to face the Brewers, or is it just dumb luck on the schedule and basically an expected occurrence with them having 3 in the rotation consecutively after sorting things out with all their early season offdays that have given them the ability to rest/shuffle guys like Darvish and Lester after either poor performances or minor injury tweaks?

I keep reading that, and I'm sure given the luxury they've had of basically playing only 5-6 games per week all season so far has helped get their rotation set up in this way - but I think it's a bit much to base when you start Hiura's service time clock off a countermove to add a RH bat prior to a mid May 3 game set that appears will be played in less than favorable hitting conditions (temps maybe reaching 50, winds either blowing straight in from center or in from right field).


Maddon loves to think he's the smartest guy in the room, so the lefty starters are probably by design.

I imagine the Brewers will stack a lot of right handed batters for this series by starting Braun in LF, Aguilar at 1B, and Perez at 2B (if Moose goes to 3B). Grandal of course can bat right.

All things being equal, I'd still favor Gamel over Braun and Thames over Aguilar at this point. BUT, Braun and Aguilar have shown signs of life lately. They're going to need a great series if we want to be effective against the Cubs this weekend.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd just as soon see Perez play over Shaw against any LHP at this point. Hiura could be interesting...


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Posted: May 09, 2019, 12:00 PM Post
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Maddon has a love affair about planning for us. Our series are the most important on his schedule I guess.


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Posted: May 09, 2019, 12:39 PM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
So are the Cubs really lining up lefty starters weeks in advance just to face the Brewers, or is it just dumb luck on the schedule and basically an expected occurrence with them having 3 in the rotation consecutively after sorting things out with all their early season offdays that have given them the ability to rest/shuffle guys like Darvish and Lester after either poor performances or minor injury tweaks?


Quintana, Hamels & Lester have been pitching consecutively in the Cubs rotation the last three trips through, dating back to April 23rd, which followed Chatwood's lone start of the season on the 21st & an off day on the 22nd, so it does kind of look like they used that opportunity to "reset" their rotation.


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Posted: May 09, 2019, 1:37 PM Post
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If I'm the Cubs and I really want to beat the Brewers I make sure that Hendricks faces them. He's the type of pitcher that will just roll right through this offense. And Quintana's unexplained dominance of the Brewers notwithstanding, all three of those guys are rather average at this point in their careers.


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Posted: May 09, 2019, 1:59 PM Post
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Well so far this year, the Brewers are 5th in baseball with a .826 OPS vs. LHP, while only 16th with a .743 OPS vs. RHP. And if you go back to the start of last year, they're 6th in the MLB with a .758 OPS vs. LHP and 12th with a .748 OPS vs. RHP. So may not be the soundest of strategies to load up lefties against them.


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Posted: May 09, 2019, 2:09 PM Post
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sveumrules said:
Fear The Chorizo said:
So are the Cubs really lining up lefty starters weeks in advance just to face the Brewers, or is it just dumb luck on the schedule and basically an expected occurrence with them having 3 in the rotation consecutively after sorting things out with all their early season offdays that have given them the ability to rest/shuffle guys like Darvish and Lester after either poor performances or minor injury tweaks?


Quintana, Hamels & Lester have been pitching consecutively in the Cubs rotation the last three trips through, dating back to April 23rd, which followed Chatwood's lone start of the season on the 21st & an off day on the 22nd, so it does kind of look like they used that opportunity to "reset" their rotation.


That's my point - that reshuffling didn't occur 3 weeks ago to line up for facing the Brewers this weekend...it was largely out of necessity.


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Posted: May 09, 2019, 3:08 PM Post
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I'm not sure what the Cubs' or Maddon's intentions have to do with this discussion, or how we typically do against either lefties or righties compared to the rest of the league. If we were facing 3 righties this weekend and Erceg Or Ray were both mashing and likely to be called up in the next couple of months, I'd hope that we would bring one of them up for the Cubs series as well.

Games against the Cubs and Cards are basically twice as important as games against everybody else. We should give ourselves the best chance to beat them whenever we play them.

If anybody actually thinks we'd be better off this weekend with a 13th pitcher or Saladino, I'd honestly like to hear their rationale. If they don't call him up it won't be a horrible mistake or anything, but if they do call him up it wouldn't be a horrible mistake either. Still, they should give themselves the best chance to win the next 3 games, and having Hiura on the roster will do that.


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Posted: May 10, 2019, 6:05 AM Post
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The fact of not calling up Hiura now to face the cubs tells me that once they call him up( past super 2) he’s up to stay. When that time will be I think depends on Shaw Aguilar Thames and how well they are hitting. If and when he gets called up it would be to play a lot not pinch hit or play vs lefties imo. I hope it’s not til aug 30, cause that would mean the aforementioned trio would be hitting.


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Posted: May 10, 2019, 6:48 AM Post
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Based on how the Brewers have previously brought up top prospects, that road trip to San Francisco/San Diego (and Houston before that) in mid-June seems like the time we're likely to see Hiura in the majors.

Hiura played last night in San Antonio, so guessing it's pretty unlikely they'd do that if he was going to be coming up to Chicago today.


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Posted: May 10, 2019, 6:59 AM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
The fact of not calling up Hiura now to face the cubs tells me that once they call him up( past super 2) he’s up to stay. When that time will be I think depends on Shaw Aguilar Thames and how well they are hitting. If and when he gets called up it would be to play a lot not pinch hit or play vs lefties imo. I hope it’s not til aug 30, cause that would mean the aforementioned trio would be hitting.

What makes August 30th so special? If they wait that long might as well wait until next April and gain the extra year. I think he can help now but if they wait until August 30 then the Brewers have doubts.


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Posted: May 10, 2019, 7:45 AM Post
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Outlander said:
Brew crew 92 said:
The fact of not calling up Hiura now to face the cubs tells me that once they call him up( past super 2) he’s up to stay. When that time will be I think depends on Shaw Aguilar Thames and how well they are hitting. If and when he gets called up it would be to play a lot not pinch hit or play vs lefties imo. I hope it’s not til aug 30, cause that would mean the aforementioned trio would be hitting.

What makes August 30th so special? If they wait that long might as well wait until next April and gain the extra year. I think he can help now but if they wait until August 30 then the Brewers have doubts.


Before sept 1
So he’s playoff eligible


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Posted: May 11, 2019, 6:13 PM Post
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Shaw, Moustakas, and Yelich were a combined 0 for 13 today.

Lefties are 3 for 25 in this series. This lineup is really handicapped against a team with solid lefty arms.

There is a major problem with the quality of righty bats on this team. There is not a single righty bat north of an .800 OPS on this roster. They need Keston Hiura in this lineup, sooner rather than later.


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Posted: May 11, 2019, 6:23 PM Post
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When does he get past the super two cutoff? Has anybody calculated that?


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Posted: May 11, 2019, 6:29 PM Post
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Austin Tatious said:
When does he get past the super two cutoff? Has anybody calculated that?


It's impossible to calculate.

Cards' fans wear jorts.


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Posted: May 11, 2019, 6:35 PM Post
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I just checked Hiura's numbers for the first time in about 10 days.

.336 Avg with a .398 OBP with 11 bombs.

Basically making a joke of AAA pitching.


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Posted: May 11, 2019, 6:36 PM Post
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Hernan Perez has been invalvuable this series: and this is coming from a guy who thought they should bring Hiura up. His defense and and dinger today are likely WAY more productive than whatever Hiura could have done. All those DPs look great when they are converted...


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Posted: May 11, 2019, 6:39 PM Post
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Austin Tatious said:
When does he get past the Super Two cutoff? Has anybody calculated that?

There is no way to know for sure, it depends where the cutoff is going to be set when calculated in a few years. The goal would be that at the end of 2021 his total number of service days would be outside of the top 22% of players with between two and three seasons of MLB service. Below are the past cutoffs for number of service years and days...

2018: 2.134
2017: 2.123
2016: 2.131
2015: 2.130
2014: 2.133
2013: 2.122
2012: 2.140
2011: 2.146
2010: 2.122
2009: 2.139

On June 1st there will be a 121 service days remaining in 2019. That would be lower than any number in the past decade, and likely safe from the Super Two cutoff. Tuesday, May 21st would be 132 service days remaining which is very close to the typical cutoff. This coming Monday would be 140 service days remaining and would very likely be on the wrong side of the Super Two cutoff.


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Posted: May 11, 2019, 6:40 PM Post
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Oxy said:
Hernan Perez has been invalvuable this series: and this is coming from a guy who thought they should bring Hiura up. His defense and and dinger today are likely WAY more productive than whatever Hiura could have done. All those DPs look great when they are converted...


Hernan Perez can play anywhere. He is not preventing a Hiura callup nor would Hiura prevent Perez from playing if needed. Also, Perez had a nice day but to say what he did is "way" more productive than anything Hiura could have done is certainly a bit of hyperbole.


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Posted: May 11, 2019, 6:42 PM Post
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Eye Black said:
Austin Tatious said:
When does he get past the Super Two cutoff? Has anybody calculated that?

There is no way to know for sure, it depends where the cutoff is going to be set when calculated in a few years. The goal would be that in 2021 his total number of services days would be outside of the top 22% of players with between two and three seasons of MLB service. Below are the past cutoffs for number of service years and days...

2018: 2.134
2017: 2.123
2016: 2.131
2015: 2.130
2014: 2.133
2013: 2.122
2012: 2.140
2011: 2.146
2010: 2.122
2009: 2.139

On June 1st there will be a 121 service days remaining in 2019. That would be lower than any number in the past decade, and likely safe from the Super Two cutoff. Tuesday, May 21st would be 132 service days remaining which is very close to the typical cutoff. This coming Monday would be 140 service days remaining and would very likely be on the wrong side of the Super Two cutoff.


Thing is, you can get him up now and still make sure he misses the cutoff. Just plan to send him down for awhile later when you've got some righty heavy matchups coming up or he goes into a bit of a slump.


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Posted: May 11, 2019, 6:44 PM Post
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adambr2 said:
Oxy said:
Hernan Perez has been invalvuable this series: and this is coming from a guy who thought they should bring Hiura up. His defense and and dinger today are likely WAY more productive than whatever Hiura could have done. All those DPs look great when they are converted...


Hernan Perez can play anywhere. He is not preventing a Hiura callup nor would Hiura prevent Perez from playing if needed. Also, Perez had a nice day but to say what he did is "way" more productive than anything Hiura could have done is certainly a bit of hyperbole.


Kinda. We ended up losing today, so it's much easier to say that. Hiura can't DH, and there have been more than a couple plays this series that a poor-ish defensive second basemen wouldn't have made.


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