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Posted: May 15, 2019, 11:31 AM Post
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Travis Shaw was the #10 3B per Fangraphs the last two years combined. If you want just the NL #6 last two years, #5 in 2018, #5 in 2017...offensively. Overall is comparable as Fangraphs doesn't give much for defense to anyone.

1 Jose Ramirez Indians 87.5
2 Alex Bregman Astros 69.6
3 Anthony Rendon Nationals 67.6
4 Kris Bryant Cubs 58.1
5 Matt Carpenter Cardinals 52.0
6 Nolan Arenado Rockies 51.6
7 Nicholas Castellanos Tigers 35.7
8 Eugenio Suarez Reds 33.9
9 Manny Machado 33.1
10 Travis Shaw Brewers 27.7
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….A few country miles....
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11 Eduardo Escobar 11.7
12 Derek Dietrich Marlins 8.0
13 Mike Moustakas 6.7

There have been only 13 qualifying 3B the last two years combined to be positive offensively. Everyone else that started the last two years was negative. Travis Shaw has been really good...


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Posted: May 15, 2019, 11:49 AM Post
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There is a tendency to discredit guys in the midst of suckage. You had Braun getting DFA'd, Aguilar has to be abandoned RIGHT NOW and now Shaw is the guy. I also have a lot of issues with the "track record" argument with Shaw. He's at least been a "good" player for the duration of his time in the majors. I'm not sure he's the answer at 1B or 3B for this team but statements like it's a lock that Hiura will be better from now on than he's ever been...seem a little extreme


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Posted: May 15, 2019, 12:08 PM Post
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I tend to agree with the crowd that Shaw just needs some time to get his swing right. And who knows, maybe the wrist really is a significant issue. I definitely think 3-4 weeks or more in the minors would do him a ton of good. Thing is, this has nothing to do with seeing pitches. I've felt like his eye at the plate is pretty similar to 2018 or 2017...his swing mechanics simply must be way off. The guy was missing 92 mph fastballs literally right down the middle...over and over again...on hitters counts. Not even a foul ball, a whiff. Most of our pitchers would probably hit that ball hard most of the time and our slugging 3b can't even touch it.

Once Shaw starts hitting and his swing starts working again...you re-evaluate. Maybe Shaw becomes a rotational player, maybe we trade someone, maybe someone else is struggling or gets dinged up and he goes back to an everyday player. Really tough to say anything definitive at this point.


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Posted: May 15, 2019, 2:29 PM Post
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A slump is one thing, especially if you have more than a 2-year track record of success. But a slump this long, with absolutely no promising signs of breaking out, and with just 2 years of being a legit MLB player to your name as a 29-year-old, does not make you a core piece.


A slump "this long" is still only 154 PAs, it has very little predictive value.

Jose Ramirez has a 60 wRC+ & Hunter Dozier has a 171 wRC+. Are those representative of their true talent levels?

Even a quarter of the way into the season we are still dealing in very unstable sample sizes.

I would wager one can of Budweiser Light beer that Shaw's wRC+ when he returns will be closer to the 120 mark he posted the last two years than it is to his current 46.


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Posted: May 15, 2019, 2:38 PM Post
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Travis is a tough ballplayer. He shakes off getting hit in the head sliding into second (last year), shakes off getting hit on the hand (last year and this year), and has fouled a ball off his foot a few times last year. Now he is telling CC how he is really feeling because he now realizes he is hurting himself and the team. I feel bad for his season so far and all the strikeouts have been hard to watch. But hopefully the IL will do him some good and Mayor of Ding Dong City will return.


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Posted: May 15, 2019, 4:32 PM Post
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I guess I should clarify....if Hiura mashes then Shaw's days as an everyday starter might numbered if the position player roster stays the way it is. Obviously, if there's a move then that could open a spot for him.


I was adamantly pleading to get Shaw out of the lineup but his days as are starter are only numbered this year if Hiura mashes. Moose is a mutual option, likely opt out. 3b is wide open. Thames is a club option with a 1 mil buyout. No one would argue that Shaw is worse than Thames when Shaw is right. Shaw's got 2 arby left and likely will stay sub 5mil next year if this season ends up with some time in AAA.

Shaw is the cheaper (more versatile) 1b platoon mate for Aguilar
Shaw is the most likely starting 3b in 2020
Shaw can play 2b to rest Hiura.

If they keep Moose, every day is a stretch but other than back up SS ABs, Shaw will get them all and likely see 400 ab between 1b 2b and 3b and random DH when its not Braun.


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Posted: May 16, 2019, 8:48 AM Post
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homer said:
I guess I should clarify....if Hiura mashes then Shaw's days as an everyday starter might numbered if the position player roster stays the way it is. Obviously, if there's a move then that could open a spot for him.


I was adamantly pleading to get Shaw out of the lineup but his days as are starter are only numbered this year if Hiura mashes. Moose is a mutual option, likely opt out. 3b is wide open. Thames is a club option with a 1 mil buyout. No one would argue that Shaw is worse than Thames when Shaw is right. Shaw's got 2 arby left and likely will stay sub 5mil next year if this season ends up with some time in AAA.

Shaw is the cheaper (more versatile) 1b platoon mate for Aguilar
Shaw is the most likely starting 3b in 2020
Shaw can play 2b to rest Hiura.

If they keep Moose, every day is a stretch but other than back up SS ABs, Shaw will get them all and likely see 400 ab between 1b 2b and 3b and random DH when its not Braun.

That only works if Thames is moved.....and he should be.

The bullpen is not our weakness, that starting pitching is. Till it proves otherwise, on paper, it’s a pretty bad group.


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Posted: May 16, 2019, 2:38 PM Post
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Well even if we don't trade Thames, opting out and keeping Shaw is a cheaper option by 1.5 mil. Shaw's better defensively.


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Posted: May 16, 2019, 2:41 PM Post
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At what point do we send Hiura down and bring Dubon up? Three games is three games!

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Posted: May 16, 2019, 3:19 PM Post
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I'm not sure what is wrong with Shaw; maybe he's had the wrist thing or something else since Spring training. He struck out a ton in spring too and I just chalked it up to trying some different things. His numbers the last couple years have been All-Star-ish. He even stepped up in his peripherals last year to the point where I wondered if there might be another slight step up coming. I don't think you go from 18% K rate to 32% without something being physically wrong.

I'm happy to see Hiura, but I wouldn't discount Shaw. He's been really good.


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Posted: May 16, 2019, 5:27 PM Post
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Those k's today were tough to watch because it seemed like he was a hair away from contact each time!

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Hiura was swinging at pitches in the zone today, so I'm not at all concerned about his 4 K performance because that shows it wasn't a plate discipline issue and we already know he has elite bat-on-ball skills. He's probably still jittery from the call-up.


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Moose has intangibles outside of the stats. He seems to be able to hit tougher pitching, as well.... not sure if stats back that up. If he keeps this up, I would be interested in 2 or 3 more years of Moose.


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Posted: May 17, 2019, 5:21 AM Post
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Hiura was swinging at pitches in the zone today, so I'm not at all concerned about his 4 K performance because that shows it wasn't a plate discipline issue and we already know he has elite bat-on-ball skills. He's probably still jittery from the call-up.


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Posted: May 17, 2019, 6:59 AM Post
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Shaw can play 3B, 2B, and 1B so he has that going for himself. The only dumpable player is Eric Thames...or you can option Travis Shaw. If Hiura absolutely mashed the Brewers have a bit of a log jam of a problem.

I don’t think I would personally drop Thames to go with Shaw, even if he is mashing at AAA. Because really I don’t care what a seasoned veteran is doing to AAA pitching. I’d option Shaw and make him wait for an injury (which will happen). Then he better get up here and produce or back down he goes.

I don’t condone dropping serviceable players when someone can be optioned...especially dropping someone serviceable to have Shaw be on the MLB roster when he has been garbage all year. I’d predict Stearns would do what he has often done and preserve as much depth as humanly possible...option Shaw...or even Hiura even if producing. I don’t see Thames getting dropped without a productive Shaw in place.


I don't think it matters is Hiura is OPS'ing 1.600 or .400, when Shaw is ready (and if there are no more injuries to other players), Hiura is likely to be sent back down. If Hiura is on the MLB roster from this point forward, he would accrue 139 days of service time. Last year, 2.134 days of service time earned Super Two status for players with between 2-3 years of service time. Over the last ten years, the lowest number to reach Super Two status is 2 years, 122 days. Very, very strong odds that the Brewers will look to option Hiura and keep him in the minors for two weeks later on this year, as it could easily save 10+ million over the course of 4 season that can be used for other additions. So even if Hiura is just raking, the Brewers will likely be motivated to send him back down. Obviously that length of time he would spend in the minors would be dependent on how much he is hitting during his time in Milwaukee.


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Posted: May 17, 2019, 12:52 PM Post
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They're not going to send Hiura back down if he's raking. Super 2 may be a factor if this was a rebuilding year, but it's not. If he's helping them win games, he's staying in Milwaukee. If Super 2 was a concern, they would have just waited a little longer. No reason they couldn't have just brought up Saladino for a bench bat for a couple weeks instead.


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Posted: May 17, 2019, 1:31 PM Post
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Hiura was swinging at pitches in the zone today, so I'm not at all concerned about his 4 K performance because that shows it wasn't a plate discipline issue and we already know he has elite bat-on-ball skills. He's probably still jittery from the call-up.


Do we know his bat to ball skills are elite if he's missing pitches in the zone?

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Posted: May 17, 2019, 3:08 PM Post
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SRB said:
Hiura was swinging at pitches in the zone today, so I'm not at all concerned about his 4 K performance because that shows it wasn't a plate discipline issue and we already know he has elite bat-on-ball skills. He's probably still jittery from the call-up.


Do we know his bat to ball skills are elite if he's missing pitches in the zone?


Hiura has 5 whiffs in 12 ABs. That is bothersome. He has to show something today and tomorrow to remain in the big leagues. I think another 4 K day gets him sent down and either Dubon or Saladino comes up.


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Posted: May 17, 2019, 3:11 PM Post
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trwi7 said:
SRB said:
Hiura was swinging at pitches in the zone today, so I'm not at all concerned about his 4 K performance because that shows it wasn't a plate discipline issue and we already know he has elite bat-on-ball skills. He's probably still jittery from the call-up.


Do we know his bat to ball skills are elite if he's missing pitches in the zone?


Hiura has 5 whiffs in 12 ABs. That is bothersome. He has to show something today and tomorrow to remain in the big leagues. I think another 4 K day gets him sent down and either Dubon or Saladino comes up.


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