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Posted: June 27, 2019, 8:53 AM Post
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Eye Black said:
In a completely unrelated note, FanGraphs player pages now list options remaining. Here is a randomly selected example (via Meg Rowley)...

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Posted: June 27, 2019, 8:57 AM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
replacing the backup catcher is probably roster decision priority #10 or #11 at this point. They'd be much better off getting quality offensive 1B production without having to put their starting catcher there when facing a lefty starter. Aguilar not getting the start at 1B last night after a 2 hit game is both confusing and disheartening - what good is prioritizing roster depth/flexibility if your 1b-only righthanded power bat doesn't play in a game against average at best lefthanded pitching?


If Pina has a good game last night, no one is talking about that move today. While his bat has been someone hot in June, he didn't, so the criticism is more warranted. It just seems like whatever buttons Counsell is pushing aren't working right now.

I agree, though. If you aren't going to use Aguilar coming off a two-hit game against crap lefties, he really serves no purpose on this team.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 9:01 AM Post
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Why is it good to have Pina if there’s injury? He’s having a terrible year, ~.150 and his defense, imo, has regressed, even if only slightly.
No way Stearns tenders him next year anyhow, so cut him loose.

Call up Freitas, nothing left to prove in AAA anyhow, he WILL hit better than Pina. .360+ come on!

Nottingham is organizational depth. McDowell is organizational depth. Can always go outside the organization and find depth. I love that Stearn’s has the patience to outlast any of ours, which 80% of the time is a good thing, but he who hesitates, loses, also.


Quite simply because he's proven to be an average MLB starter and the other two haven't done anything above AAA. Don't put so much stock in a small amount of ABs on sporadic playing time and don't forget that Pina is really good at D. Plus, the word depth itself should speak for itself. But if needed to lay it out, say you let Pina go and bring up Freitas and Grandal gets hurt. Now, you're playing two guys in MLB in a playoff chase with no experience and have nothing behind if another injury were to happen. The basic premise is to simply hold onto as many guys as you can as long as you can.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 9:17 AM Post
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As many Brewers call-ups have proven this season, AAA success does not necessarily equal success in the majors. Frietas is certainly an interesting case, as he's seemingly found something over the last couple years to put him in the upper echelon of AAA hitters. While he stats were pretty solid before 2018, there's also probably a reason he's never really been given much of an opportunity besides his barely 100+ plate appearances with Seattle last year.

If the Brewers are going to stay in house at the C position in 2020, and can't afford to re-sign Grandal, you are probably looking at a mix of Pina, Nottingham and perhaps Freitas or another veteran type FA signing. Nottingham just turned 24, so I still think he needs to be viewed as the catcher of the future. His AAA numbers are solid again, and he looked fine in his brief call-up this year. Going with Nottingham/Pina next year is going to be an offensive step down from Grandal, but maybe not as bad as it could be.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 9:20 AM Post
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tmwiese55 said:
Brew crew 92 said:
Why is it good to have Pina if there’s injury? He’s having a terrible year, ~.150 and his defense, imo, has regressed, even if only slightly.
No way Stearns tenders him next year anyhow, so cut him loose.

Call up Freitas, nothing left to prove in AAA anyhow, he WILL hit better than Pina. .360+ come on!

Nottingham is organizational depth. McDowell is organizational depth. Can always go outside the organization and find depth. I love that Stearn’s has the patience to outlast any of ours, which 80% of the time is a good thing, but he who hesitates, loses, also.


Quite simply because he's proven to be an average MLB starter and the other two haven't done anything above AAA. Don't put so much stock in a small amount of ABs on sporadic playing time and don't forget that Pina is really good at D. Plus, the word depth itself should speak for itself. But if needed to lay it out, say you let Pina go and bring up Freitas and Grandal gets hurt. Now, you're playing two guys in MLB in a playoff chase with no experience and have nothing behind if another injury were to happen. The basic premise is to simply hold onto as many guys as you can as long as you can.


Until it hurts the team. Pina is hurting the team with his play. It would be different if he was his all world defensive self, but he’s not, at least imo.

Again, we already have Nottingham, and others, for depth, I mean come on.

A good defensive catcher, hitting .360+ just waiting patiently down below to help this team. And what if he continues to hit big league pitching anything close to how he’s been hitting AAA pitching?


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 9:24 AM Post
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Pina shouldn’t be going anywhere. He’s a good backup catcher.

Poor Dubon can’t catch a break. Was about a week away from being our 2B last season and got hurt. This year he’s put up great numbers and probably won’t be the guy either.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 9:28 AM Post
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Piña has what would be about three weeks worth of plate appearances for a full time player. In that stretch he has a .156 BABIP (Career .296). And it's not a result of not making good contact, per Statcast his average exit velocity is higher than in both 2017 and 2018, and same thing goes for Barrel % and Hard hit %.

I've disagreed with some front office decisions this year, but not dumping Piña based on 79 sporadic plate appearances is something I'm fully behind.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 9:30 AM Post
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Pina shouldn’t be going anywhere. He’s a good backup catcher.

Poor Dubon can’t catch a break. Was about a week away from being our 2B last season and got hurt. This year he’s put up great numbers and probably won’t be the guy either.


Agreed on Dubon. Everyone is excited by how Hiura is handling AAA pitching, but Dubon has been nearly as impressive, while also finding a power stroke that many didn't realize he had. The future of this team's middle infield is in a really good place right now. Dubon is one Perez or Arcia injury away from being a regular at the MLB level. Fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately in Dubon's case), those guys have been extremely durable so far.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 9:52 AM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
Brew4U said:
Pina shouldn’t be going anywhere. He’s a good backup catcher.

Poor Dubon can’t catch a break. Was about a week away from being our 2B last season and got hurt. This year he’s put up great numbers and probably won’t be the guy either.


Agreed on Dubon. Everyone is excited by how Hiura is handling AAA pitching, but Dubon has been nearly as impressive, while also finding a power stroke that many didn't realize he had. The future of this team's middle infield is in a really good place right now. Dubon is one Perez or Arcia injury away from being a regular at the MLB level. Fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately in Dubon's case), those guys have been extremely durable so far.


I would love to see the team dangle Arcia out there at the trade deadline and see what he might bring back. Turn over the keys to Dubon and Hiura in August and see what they can do.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 10:05 AM Post
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Jettison Pina, Grandal leaves in FA and all you have for next year is two guys who've never played before. And of course, no one behind them either.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 10:41 AM Post
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tmwiese55 said:
Jettison Pina, Grandal leaves in FA and all you have for next year is two guys who've never played before. And of course, no one behind them either.


There will be better catchers out there than a 33-year-old Manny piña.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 10:54 AM Post
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The Brewers are 10-7 in games Pina has started. Considering the team’s overall record he can’t he hurting the team THAT much when he plays. Sure, he’s been terrible in his occasional pinch hitting appearances, but that’s probably going to be the case for most backup catchers, who are usually on the roster because they can handle the position.

On the list of the Brewers problems, Pina as the backup catcher isn’t in my top 10.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 12:06 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:
tmwiese55 said:
Jettison Pina, Grandal leaves in FA and all you have for next year is two guys who've never played before. And of course, no one behind them either.


There will be better catchers out there than a 33-year-old Manny piña.


With multiple suitors and who'll cost way more and no guarantee to get them. If you sign them, well then you can not sign Pina back or keep him as backup, trade others, whatever you want. In NBA terms, think of it as not giving up an asset for nothing.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 12:18 PM Post
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tmwiese55 said:
Brew crew 92 said:
tmwiese55 said:
Jettison Pina, Grandal leaves in FA and all you have for next year is two guys who've never played before. And of course, no one behind them either.


There will be better catchers out there than a 33-year-old Manny piña.


With multiple suitors and who'll cost way more and no guarantee to get them. If you sign them, well then you can not sign Pina back or keep him as backup, trade others, whatever you want. In NBA terms, think of it as not giving up an asset for nothing.


There sure is a lot of recency bias when it comes to Pina. The guy is a solid defensive catcher, and was very good offensively in 2017, and still pretty decent last year. Yeah, he hasn't been great in very sporadic playing time this year, but as a reserve catcher, you can do a heck of a lot worse than Manny Pina.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 12:23 PM Post
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National writers are starting to get snarky.

https://twitter.com/DSzymborski/status/ ... 2196671488

Cards' fans wear jorts.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 1:38 PM Post
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National writers are starting to get snarky.

https://twitter.com/DSzymborski/status/ ... 2196671488


I've seen several national writers with comments just like that one...

Seems everyone realizes what is going on except the Brewers front office.

[embarassed] [embarassed]


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 1:44 PM Post
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I doubt that the Brewers have their heads in the sand on this. They know, and I'm sure they have their reasons for doing what they are doing. i just wish I knew them.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 1:45 PM Post
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I think everyone would like Hiura brought up now but what corresponding roster move are you going to make to make that happen?


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 1:49 PM Post
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Sal Bando said:
I think everyone would like Hiura brought up now but what corresponding roster move are you going to make to make that happen?


The easy move is an option of Shaw to AAA. They could also drop a reliever and go with a 12-man pitching staff.


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Posted: June 27, 2019, 1:54 PM Post
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Sal Bando said:
I think everyone would like Hiura brought up now but what corresponding roster move are you going to make to make that happen?

Travis Shaw has options and a 570 OPS. Aguilar is a waste of a roster spot also.


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