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Posted: June 16, 2019, 8:08 AM Post
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Starting Grandal at first was telling to me. I think its time to have a conversation with Aguilar about him agreeing to get at bats in AAA. Can they send him to AAA on the MLB contract if he agrees to doing it? Or would he still be exposed to waivers?


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 8:18 AM Post
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He has no options, so he'd need to be exposed to waivers to go down.


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 8:20 AM Post
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At this point I don't have much hope for him ever getting back what he had in the first half of last year. I think it's time to go with Garandal and Pina against lefties and Thames/Shaw and Grandal against righties. It's just a matter of when they are ready to call up Hiura again.

but it's not like every guy suddenly forgot every piece of advice he gave


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 8:43 AM Post
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Expose away. If you lose him it's unfortunate but he serves no purpose on this current roster.


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 9:30 AM Post
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The ship may have already sailed with Aguilar. I had the safe day for Hiura's Super Two ineligibility as June 24. But we should be very close to that deadline, no doubt the Brewers have someone in the front office calculating service days for all players and may have already concluded that the Super Two date could be a few days before June 24. Unless the Brewers are convinced that Hiura needs more work defensively (-30.4 UZR/150 indicates that's a real possibility), I expect Hiura to be called up during the next week. So if nobody gets hurt, who else would lose their 25-man roster spot other than Aguilar? And even if Aguilar has a good 4 or 5 days, will that be enough to save his job?

The Brewers could elect to go with a 12 man pitching staff, but with pitching staff problems and the way Counsell uses the bullpen, it's pretty unlikely they go with 12 pitchers for any more than a game or two.

Certainly starting to look like Aguilar may need another player to get hurt to save his spot on the 25-man roster. Either that or hope the Brewers are really uncomfortable with Hiura's defense.

Have to think the Orioles are watching this situation pretty closely. Would have to be a pretty easy decision for them to pluck a 600k player off waivers and just bump Mancini back to a corner outfield spot while giving Jesus a solid 3 month audition for their first base job.


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 11:19 AM Post
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Could see another addition to the phantom IL, but at this point it feels like a chicken move to delay what needs to be done to optimize the roster.


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 12:12 PM Post
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Too early to judge Hiura’s defense with that metric. Also I am not sure it accounts for shifting well enough either


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 1:02 PM Post
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benji said:
Too early to judge Hiura’s defense with that metric. Also I am not sure it accounts for shifting well enough either


Definitely a ton of noise in a defensive sample so small & I don't think anyone expects Hiura to be -30 with the glove, but I think what he showed in his limited MLB time fit the scouting reports.

I'd put the likelihoods for Hiura's future defensive metrics around (10%) consistent +5 or greater, (45%) zero to +5, (45%) below zero. If he hits like he is supposed to he can probably be around -10 & still end up a 4ish WAR guy.

As for Aguilar, gotta think his time is just about up. If he doesn't clear waivers, I hope he can figure it out with whoever picks him up so people can say we gave up on him too soon.


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 1:13 PM Post
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It shouldn’t be hard for the Brewers to pick up a veteran right handed hitting 1B or 1B/OF from a non contender without giving up too much. It wouldn’t take much to be an upgrade over what Aguilar has been giving the Brewers and they’re running out of time to give him more chances to find his swing.


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 4:22 PM Post
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He’s finally at .200 again.


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 9:24 PM Post
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His reputation as a great clubhouse guy will likely buy him a few more opportunities.


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 10:06 PM Post
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We can always play Braun or Grandal at 1st occasionally. Hopefully Aguilar gets it going.


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Posted: June 16, 2019, 10:46 PM Post
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I think the Braun to 1st ship has sailed, at least for 2019. I do not believe he's a player whose routine they want to interrupt with an unplanned midseason position move.


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Posted: June 17, 2019, 8:21 AM Post
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Aguilar has been a part time player the last 4 weeks. 10 to 12 ABs a week isn't going to move the needle much unless he somehow gets white hot at the plate. Writing's on the wall.


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Posted: June 17, 2019, 9:14 AM Post

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rosters expand to 26 next year. most clubs would be willing to stash aguilar on their 25-man for the rest of the season just to get to 2020.

if he's struggling like this in 2020 as the brewers' 26th man, then he gets cut.


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Posted: June 17, 2019, 10:36 AM Post
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Given his MVP like 2018 first half .. can't imagine we couldn't get a low level arm or something for him. It wouldn't be much, but I agree the writing is on the wall and getting cash or anything would be better then just letting him walk.


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Posted: June 17, 2019, 10:55 AM Post
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NYChez said:
His reputation as a great clubhouse guy will likely buy him a few more opportunities.


I agree that this is a factor. Being a good teammate and well liked in the clubhouse matters in ways we as fans can't understand.

We saw it last year when Arcia was optioned. Players were somewhat openly unhappy even though he was not producing at the plate.


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Posted: June 17, 2019, 11:28 AM Post
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long ball said:
NYChez said:
His reputation as a great clubhouse guy will likely buy him a few more opportunities.


I agree that this is a factor. Being a good teammate and well liked in the clubhouse matters in ways we as fans can't understand.

We saw it last year when Arcia was optioned. Players were somewhat openly unhappy even though he was not producing at the plate.


I don't, he isn't even getting an opportunity let alone more. He has started 6 games in the last 28 days. He is just a guy on the roster and I am not sure why the Brewers haven't gotten rid of him, but it seems clear they don't really care for him anymore. They also don't seem to care if he gets going or not anymore either.


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Posted: June 17, 2019, 12:01 PM Post
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MrTPlush said:
long ball said:
NYChez said:
His reputation as a great clubhouse guy will likely buy him a few more opportunities.


I agree that this is a factor. Being a good teammate and well liked in the clubhouse matters in ways we as fans can't understand.

We saw it last year when Arcia was optioned. Players were somewhat openly unhappy even though he was not producing at the plate.


I don't, he isn't even getting an opportunity let alone more. He has started 6 games in the last 28 days. He is just a guy on the roster and I am not sure why the Brewers haven't gotten rid of him, but it seems clear they don't really care for him anymore. They also don't seem to care if he gets going or not anymore either.


"Intangibles" aren't the only or the biggest factor in roster decisions, but I do believe they play a factor.

Example: the Brewers could have optioned Shaw and kept Hiura up with the team. The recent performance would have totally justified that decision. Some fans/radio hosts were calling for this to be the move. But track record, relationship of players to management, clubhouse dynamics, etc all likely played into the decision.

Ultimately Aguilar won't stick around the entire season just because he's a nice guy. He will need to perform at some point and they're likely coming up on that decision if he doesn't show some consistent signs of life soon. I just think there are many things that play into roster decisions and not all of them are on field performance.

At least they've already gotten past his bobblehead day


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Posted: June 17, 2019, 2:08 PM Post
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I think Aguilar is a better hitter than Shaw and I have more faith into returning to something useful than Shaw. That being said he has some factors working against him.

1. Shaw is going to be able to face alot more lefties than Aguilar is going to face lefties
2. Shaw is going to get alot more at bats period and a better chance to break out of the funk than if Aguilar plays one or two games a week and pinch hits
3. Aguilar replacement is playing decent (Thames), while Shaw doesnt have one since Hiura is riding a greyhound bus to Biloxi or wherever
4. Aguilar can only really play first which is probably the biggest thing hampering him getting another chance.

I wont be sad if Aguilar goes but I wouldnt be surprised if he went somewhere for nothing and hit well the rest of the year.

Shaw on the other hand. We will see


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