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Posted: July 07, 2019, 8:58 AM Post
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TigerUppercut said:
.284 .342 .407 .749 - Orlando Arcia's career MILB numbers while being 2 years younger than Dubon at every level.

.301 .348 .424 .772 - Mauricio Dubon's career MILB numbers.

Not much difference. It'll be fun to see if Mauricio can translate his MILB numbers to some success at this level. We could use his versatility. He's not an all world defender but Arcia hasn't been very good either this year so defense is probably a wash.


If it’s less Ks I’ll be happy.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 9:04 AM Post
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Arcia apparently is all right...

Good to hear that after that collision.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 9:09 AM Post
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Hopefully, Dubon does something to prove the optimists right on this page. I myself am skeptical.

If he holds his own, I can see Saladino being sent packing after the break once Arcia is good to go, keeping Dubon on the roster...


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 9:11 AM Post
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turborickey said:
Hopefully, Dubon does something to prove the optimists right on this page. I myself am skeptical.

If he holds his own, I can see Saladino being sent packing after the break once Arcia is good to go, keeping Dubon on the roster...


Dubon's going to bring a needed skill set - he's got a high-average bat, and his power has taken a HUGE jump this year.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 9:14 AM Post
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Jopal78! said:
The PCL is a hitter’s league. A .487 slugging in that league isn’t great, and is below most of the Mission regulars. His OBP is also near the bottom of the regulars at San Antonio.


Who are these "most of" Missions regulars with better offensive numbers than Dubon? Freitas, Spangenberg and Grisham, who just came up? That is not "most of".

And a .491 slugging percentage is quite good and shows a considerable improvement for a guy who has never been much of a power hitter.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 9:17 AM Post
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Looks like he won’t play tonight and Arica will be back after the break. It would be a shame for Dubon to be called up just to be sent down before his first game.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 9:18 AM Post
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Slugging is up across AAA since they are using the MLB ball this year.

Dubon's 307/343/491 line is good for a dead even 100 wRC+.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 9:20 AM Post
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Well, Tyler Saladino slugged .568 in San Antonio.

Dubon hit 14 of his career 40 minor league homers in the first half of this year in a hitters park in a hitters league. I think it's fair to be skeptical that he's suddenly an offensive force. If he has found a new swing that adds some launch angle,. great! I just think it's fair to be skeptical.

If Dubon can hit .260-.270 and hit a few doubles and homers and play decent defense I think most everyone will be happy with that.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 9:46 AM Post
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Maybe Arcia is the trade chip, not doubon? Arcia is only going to get more expensive and has been less than stellar after the hype of being a top prospect. Doubon has a 15% k rate compared to 22% for Arcia. Should be interesting.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 9:55 AM Post
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RoCoBrewfan said:
Well, Tyler Saladino slugged .568 in San Antonio.

Dubon hit 14 of his career 40 minor league homers in the first half of this year in a hitters park in a hitters league. I think it's fair to be skeptical that he's suddenly an offensive force. If he has found a new swing that adds some launch angle,. great! I just think it's fair to be skeptical.

If Dubon can hit .260-.270 and hit a few doubles and homers and play decent defense I think most everyone will be happy with that.


Don’t forget the juiced ball in AAA, power numbers skewed.

But he should make good contact(only 50 Ks in AAA) or enough contact to be able to hit a little better than Arcia. This offense needs a couple of contact hitters, here’s to hoping he can be one of them.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 10:01 AM Post
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Jopal78! said:
Dubon is going to be an all glove no bat player in the major leagues. Not exactly what the team needs at this moment


He's hit pretty well at every level. What makes you think the bat will go into hibernation in the majors? Not trying to argue, just trying to understand your reasoning.


Arcia hit .284/.342/.407 in the minors. Dubon has hit .301/.348/.424. Arcia was also younger at every level than Dubon. They're both basically the same age yet Arcia was in Low-A in 2013 while Dubon didn't make it until 2015, when Arcia was in AA.

So basically the same stats as Arcia while being older than Arcia at every level and we see Arcia isn't exactly an offensive dynamo. Could Dubon be a good hitter? I guess. Is it likely he's even an average hitter? I'd probably bet the under.

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Posted: July 07, 2019, 10:54 AM Post
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I guess we should just dfa Dubon...we already have proven he sucks without him even getting off the AAA plane


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 10:56 AM Post
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JohnBriggs12 said:
I don't think Arcia's been the real problem on offense this year. After all he's got the same amount of HR and almost as many RBI as Braun batting either 8th or 9th while striking out less. But this organization seems to have an offensive depth issue and it would be great to see Dubon be able to hold his own against major league pitching. This exposure to major league pitching comes at a time when it should help his development.


Yes, Arcia has been one of the few players who is actually hitting right now. I hope we hear more about he is later today.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 10:59 AM Post
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Fear The Chorizo said:
I guess we should just dfa Dubon...we already have proven he sucks without him even getting off the AAA plane


Nobody has said that.

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Posted: July 07, 2019, 11:38 AM Post
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trwi7 said:
Fear The Chorizo said:
I guess we should just dfa Dubon...we already have proven he sucks without him even getting off the AAA plane


Nobody has said that.

I don’t think most people are saying he can’t be a valuable major league player as much as just trying to be realistic about what to reasonably expect from him. In my opinion, it is easy to see his 14 home runs this year and get carried away with what type of hitter he is likely to be.

As someone who nearly bought a Taylor Green jersey when he initially debuted I can appreciate a bit of tempered expectations. [smile]


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 11:39 AM Post
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Jopal78! said:
Dubon is going to be an all glove no bat player in the major leagues.

Besides being incorrect as a declarative statement, his bat is quite a ways ahead of his glove.

So getting past the stat line scouting, Dubon is more athletic and has a much cleaner swing than Arcia; he's more likely to hit and reach his ceiling than Arcia. Not saying he will, just that I think he has a decent chance to be a better hitter. Dubon's not a defensive specialist, though. He's maybe average at shortstop.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 11:57 AM Post
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Maybe Arcia is the trade chip, not doubon? Arcia is only going to get more expensive and has been less than stellar after the hype of being a top prospect. Doubon has a 15% k rate compared to 22% for Arcia. Should be interesting.

If the Brewers plan is to trade Orlando Arcia than Counsell would have been better off not ragging on Arcia’s defense (completely unsolicited) when they called up Saladino. I’m sure it wouldn’t have much of an impact on another team’s front office evaluation of Arcia, but nevertheless you typically don’t want to a lot of unnecessary negativity surrounding a player you want to extract maximum trade value for.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 12:03 PM Post
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TigerUppercut said:
.284 .342 .407 .749 - Orlando Arcia's career MILB numbers while being 2 years younger than Dubon at every level.

.301 .348 .424 .772 - Mauricio Dubon's career MILB numbers.

Not much difference. It'll be fun to see if Mauricio can translate his MILB numbers to some success at this level. We could use his versatility. He's not an all world defender but Arcia hasn't been very good either this year so defense is probably a wash.

This is false. Arcia was not 2yrs younger per level than Dubon. Dubon's first exposure to A+ he played half a season at 2.7yrs young while Arcia was 3.7yrs young. His first exposure to AA he played half a season and was 3.4yrs young while Arcia was 4.1yrs young. His first exposure to AAA he played half a season and was 4.4yrs young while Arcia was 5.5yrs young.

Also, Dubon's bat profile is much better than Arcia's. Arcia was, and still is, a glove first player. Dubon is the opposite. He's a high contact, low K, high BA hitter with a great understanding of the zone while offering much better base stealing/running. He'll hit more doubles/triples just not HR. Dubon will most likely be a solid SS while having a solid arm (plenty good to play SS but not great). The way Arcia is playing defense this year I'd bank on Dubon not being worse. Dubon has the potential to be a plus bat he just won't have the over the wall power.


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 12:29 PM Post
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So with Arcia supposedly ready to go right after the break, and Dubon not starting today.. is he going to get sent back down without even making his debut?


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Posted: July 07, 2019, 12:30 PM Post
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Lathund said:
So with Arcia supposedly ready to go right after the break, and Dubon not starting today.. is he going to get sent back down without even making his debut?

I would be shocked if he doesn’t play at all today. I think he’ll get a pinch hit AB at the very least.

It’s tough to blame them for not starting him when he showed up off the plane and to the ballpark just 90 minutes before 1st pitch.


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