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Posted: September 03, 2019, 2:46 PM Post

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aaron wilkerson cleared waivers and has been outrighted to san antonio. i'm not sure if he has enough minor league service time to elect free agency after the conclusion of the world series.


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Posted: September 03, 2019, 3:57 PM Post
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Contrary to others I am disappointed they lost him. It is not like the Brewers have a good farm system, would not have been difficult to get rid of somebody else with no options (looking at you Saladino) that has zero future with the Brewers. Obviously did not get far in waiver priority since the worst team in the league picked him up.


I'll put a plus one here.

Looking over the entirety of his numbers, this was a (very rare) bad roster move on the part of Stearns. Stokes had speed, OBP skills, and had developed power. If he'd been given that mulligan, I think by 2020 he develops as the kind of player who could give Gresham and Cain rest, or who could boost the team against tough lefties.

This one's gonna sting bad a few years.


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Posted: September 03, 2019, 4:16 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
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Stokes won a Rawling Gold Glove Award as a Minor League in AA Last Year

https://www.milb.com/biloxi/news/troy-stokes-jr-awarded-rawlings-gold-glove/c-297386960


As a corner outfielder.


Still, for him to be picked as one of the best defensive players in AA DESPITE being in left field (now, grantedm the other two OFs in the Biloxi outfield were Corey Ray and Trent Grisham) says a lot about his skills.

The Shuckers that year had an immensely talented outfield.


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Posted: September 03, 2019, 7:23 PM Post
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Think it comes down to the roster spots - of Stokes, Taylor, and Ray (who needs to be put on the 40 this off-season), there's room for one, maybe two. I'd probably have gone with Stokes over Taylor, though we don't know if there will end up being room for either of them. The other consideration, as others noted, is that fourth outfielders are all too common. I mean, we're deciding between three here, Cooper Hummel put up a .835 OPS in the Southern League which is not easy, and most organizations have the same surplus going on and will be DFAing/not protecting/selling cheaply if we ever had the need.


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Posted: September 03, 2019, 7:31 PM Post
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Think it comes down to the roster spots - of Stokes, Taylor, and Ray (who needs to be put on the 40 this off-season), there's room for one, maybe two. I'd probably have gone with Stokes over Taylor, though we don't know if there will end up being room for either of them. The other consideration, as others noted, is that fourth outfielders are all too common. I mean, we're deciding between three here, Cooper Hummel put up a .835 OPS in the Southern League which is not easy, and most organizations have the same surplus going on and will be DFAing/not protecting/selling cheaply if we ever had the need.


I think Taylor ranks higher than Stokes simply because he has the ability to play all three OF positions well defensively. He's the best defender of the three. Probably the most upside as an all-around hitter as well. That said, none of those guys had very good seasons, other than Taylor for about the last 3 weeks or so.


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Posted: September 03, 2019, 8:48 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
folly412 said:
Think it comes down to the roster spots - of Stokes, Taylor, and Ray (who needs to be put on the 40 this off-season), there's room for one, maybe two. I'd probably have gone with Stokes over Taylor, though we don't know if there will end up being room for either of them. The other consideration, as others noted, is that fourth outfielders are all too common. I mean, we're deciding between three here, Cooper Hummel put up a .835 OPS in the Southern League which is not easy, and most organizations have the same surplus going on and will be DFAing/not protecting/selling cheaply if we ever had the need.


I think Taylor ranks higher than Stokes simply because he has the ability to play all three OF positions well defensively. He's the best defender of the three. Probably the most upside as an all-around hitter as well. That said, none of those guys had very good seasons, other than Taylor for about the last 3 weeks or so.


Taylor and Ray are very good, but the former had a LOT of health problems over the years and was apparently overmatched until 2018 (when he was at Colorado Springs) and the latter regressed after a superb 2018, which was preceded by some rough years prior to that (his highest OPS outside 2018 is .679). The LOWEST OPS Stokes posted over his career was a .694 in Arizona, but he posted a .363 OBP that year. In fact, Ray's highest OBP over the years in the Brewers system, .323, is 18 points LOWER than the lowest OBP Stokes posted during his tenure.

Taylor does edge above Stokes' lowest mark in the OBP department in 2017 and 2019, but in both cases, he got assists due to rehab assignments in Maryvale.

Detroit got the kind of prospect the Brewers can't afford to let go for free.


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Posted: September 03, 2019, 8:56 PM Post
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clancyphile said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
folly412 said:
Think it comes down to the roster spots - of Stokes, Taylor, and Ray (who needs to be put on the 40 this off-season), there's room for one, maybe two. I'd probably have gone with Stokes over Taylor, though we don't know if there will end up being room for either of them. The other consideration, as others noted, is that fourth outfielders are all too common. I mean, we're deciding between three here, Cooper Hummel put up a .835 OPS in the Southern League which is not easy, and most organizations have the same surplus going on and will be DFAing/not protecting/selling cheaply if we ever had the need.


I think Taylor ranks higher than Stokes simply because he has the ability to play all three OF positions well defensively. He's the best defender of the three. Probably the most upside as an all-around hitter as well. That said, none of those guys had very good seasons, other than Taylor for about the last 3 weeks or so.


Taylor and Ray are very good, but the former had a LOT of health problems over the years and was apparently overmatched until 2018 (when he was at Colorado Springs) and the latter regressed after a superb 2018, which was preceded by some rough years prior to that (his highest OPS outside 2018 is .679). The LOWEST OPS Stokes posted over his career was a .694 in Arizona, but he posted a .363 OBP that year. In fact, Ray's highest OBP over the years in the Brewers system, .323, is 18 points LOWER than the lowest OBP Stokes posted during his tenure.

Taylor does edge above Stokes' lowest mark in the OBP department in 2017 and 2019, but in both cases, he got assists due to rehab assignments in Maryvale.

Detroit got the kind of prospect the Brewers can't afford to let go for free.


You know as well as I do that it's a numbers game when it comes to the 40-man roster. Stokes showed flashes, but if he was a true legit prospect, he would have been kept. I would have preferred that Saladino get shown the door, but that likely just would have postponed the inevitable when it comes to Stokes. He likely wouldn't have survived the offseason on the 40-man.


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clancyphile said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
folly412 said:
Think it comes down to the roster spots - of Stokes, Taylor, and Ray (who needs to be put on the 40 this off-season), there's room for one, maybe two. I'd probably have gone with Stokes over Taylor, though we don't know if there will end up being room for either of them. The other consideration, as others noted, is that fourth outfielders are all too common. I mean, we're deciding between three here, Cooper Hummel put up a .835 OPS in the Southern League which is not easy, and most organizations have the same surplus going on and will be DFAing/not protecting/selling cheaply if we ever had the need.


I think Taylor ranks higher than Stokes simply because he has the ability to play all three OF positions well defensively. He's the best defender of the three. Probably the most upside as an all-around hitter as well. That said, none of those guys had very good seasons, other than Taylor for about the last 3 weeks or so.


Taylor and Ray are very good, but the former had a LOT of health problems over the years and was apparently overmatched until 2018 (when he was at Colorado Springs) and the latter regressed after a superb 2018, which was preceded by some rough years prior to that (his highest OPS outside 2018 is .679). The LOWEST OPS Stokes posted over his career was a .694 in Arizona, but he posted a .363 OBP that year. In fact, Ray's highest OBP over the years in the Brewers system, .323, is 18 points LOWER than the lowest OBP Stokes posted during his tenure.

Taylor does edge above Stokes' lowest mark in the OBP department in 2017 and 2019, but in both cases, he got assists due to rehab assignments in Maryvale.

Detroit got the kind of prospect the Brewers can't afford to let go for free.


Stokes hasn't had a season where he ops'd over .800, and he plays a corner OF position - he is exactly the type of prospect just about every organization lets go for free at some point. Hoping Stokes makes the most out of his opportunity with the tigers, but reality is that there are dozens of players with Stokes' chance of becoming a mlb regular - most all of them dont.


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Posted: September 03, 2019, 9:27 PM Post
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After Caleb Gindl failed to succeed in the majors, I haven't been on the Stokes bangwagon. I hope he works out, but I'm not optimistic


Gindl got all of 151 major league AB's to prove himself and was a 0.2 WAR player. He didn't fail as much as he never really had a shot. By the way, Gindl's still playing in indy ball and can still hit. He slashed .297/.398/.519 with 20 HR and 83 RBI in the Atlantic League. I once though his only chance was to turn into the second coming of Matt Stairs. He never quite developed the power like Stairs who was way ahead of his time with his big upper cut swing.

Interestingly, Gindl logged 14 innings as a pitcher this season, with a 6.43 ERA. He fanned 14, but walked 18.


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Posted: September 03, 2019, 10:04 PM Post
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I've always been pretty high on Stokes (had him #7 on my pre-season ballot behind only Hiura, Ray, Brown, Lutz, Turang & Houser), but he's pretty much limited to LF only with his arm so a much better fit for an AL club that can also get him DH PAs.

Considering he's like 7th/8th on the organizational OF depth chart at the moment it's nice to see him go somewhere he'll have much more opportunity. Hope he makes the most of it.


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DHonks said:
After Caleb Gindl failed to succeed in the majors, I haven't been on the Stokes bangwagon. I hope he works out, but I'm not optimistic


Gindl got all of 151 major league AB's to prove himself and was a 0.2 WAR player. He didn't fail as much as he never really had a shot. By the way, Gindl's still playing in indy ball and can still hit. He slashed .297/.398/.519 with 20 HR and 83 RBI in the Atlantic League. I once though his only chance was to turn into the second coming of Matt Stairs. He never quite developed the power like Stairs who was way ahead of his time with his big upper cut swing.

Interestingly, Gindl logged 14 innings as a pitcher this season, with a 6.43 ERA. He fanned 14, but walked 18.


Thanks for looking that up! I loved following Gindl. He was competent in the field, could play all 3 spots, hit left-handed, had some power, and obp skills. I was bummed that he never was successful. You could be right, he just needed opportunity


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Posted: September 08, 2019, 9:07 AM Post
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aaron wilkerson cleared waivers and has been outrighted to san antonio. i'm not sure if he has enough minor league service time to elect free agency after the conclusion of the world series.


Wilkerson made his affiliated ball debut in 2014. The Brewers own his rights in 2020 as he enters his 7th affiliated season.


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Posted: September 08, 2019, 9:19 AM Post
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DHonks said:
After Caleb Gindl failed to succeed in the majors, I haven't been on the Stokes bangwagon. I hope he works out, but I'm not optimistic


Gindl got all of 151 major league AB's to prove himself and was a 0.2 WAR player. He didn't fail as much as he never really had a shot. By the way, Gindl's still playing in indy ball and can still hit. He slashed .297/.398/.519 with 20 HR and 83 RBI in the Atlantic League. I once though his only chance was to turn into the second coming of Matt Stairs. He never quite developed the power like Stairs who was way ahead of his time with his big upper cut swing.

Interestingly, Gindl logged 14 innings as a pitcher this season, with a 6.43 ERA. He fanned 14, but walked 18.


Isn't Indy ball the equivalent of A ball?


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Posted: September 08, 2019, 12:12 PM Post

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djoctagone said:
aaron wilkerson cleared waivers and has been outrighted to san antonio. i'm not sure if he has enough minor league service time to elect free agency after the conclusion of the world series.

Wilkerson made his affiliated ball debut in 2014. The Brewers own his rights in 2020 as he enters his 7th affiliated season.

thanks. he'd be rule 5 eligible then. unlikely to be drafted as he could've just been claimed and optioned in 2019 and 2020 rather than claimed via rule 5 and required to stay on his club's 2020 active roster.


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