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Posted: September 06, 2019, 2:58 PM Post
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tmwiese55 said:
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It seems you don't grasp there has to be a spot to play these guys. There is not unlimited rosters and these guys can't play SS, 3B, CF. You don't have the roster spots and you don't DHs for multiple positions. You're now claiming we needed Castellanos who plays the same spot as our two best hitters this year combined with needing a 3rd C to help at 1B/C when our current 1B/C combo vs lefties did great vs lefties. None of this makes any sense.


I’d have kept Perez down. Gamel down. Called up Freitas. Traded for Castellanos.

Outfield: Grisham Cain Yelich Castellanos Braun

Infield: Moose Arcia Hiura Thames Grandal Pina Freitas

Arcia plays every game. Don’t need Perez.

Vs LHP it’s Castellanos in LF Cain in CF Yelich in RF

Moose at 3B Arcia SS Hiura 2B Freitas 1B Pina C

Freitas hit .530 vs LHP so he’s my 1B over Grandal who’s best side is LH. He can rest up, because he’s played a lot the first 4 months. So yeah, I have a grasp of roster construction, and this lineup kills LHP.

And I would argue we’d be right there with the Cubbies.


Sorry no you don't. That roster construction is absolutely terrible for an NL team. You have no one that can functionally play any IF other than the 3 starters and a bunch of corner OF/1b/C. Not sure if you noticed, but two of our IFs got hurt, you have to plan on that. You have multiple guys overlapping at the same positions even though only a fixed amount can play each day. It's brutal.

Moreover, you're giving up all that flex to "improve" from Grandal vs LHP to Freitas, even though Grandal has a mid to upper 8s OPS vs Lefties. And giving up at least two good prospects to improve from Cain to Castellanos for 2 months, which might not actually even help the team because it would create the worst defensive OF in baseball. Plus, management correctly viewed this year's deadline as not a 'lets go for it' type of year so didn't wanna blow more prospects. And remember, it's not like Castellanos has ever hit like this before so it's a massive lucky fluke. Again, this makes no sense.


That’s your opinion, and that’s fine, it’s not perfect, but would have crushed LHP. Injuries would have changed things yes, but so what. I’ll take my chances with a lineup that can crush lefties, with worse outfield defense over what’s been put out there vs LHP the last couple months.


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Posted: September 06, 2019, 3:00 PM Post
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So in your opinion, we go from bad vs LHP to "crush them" by swapping Cain for Castellanos and Grandals' 850+ OPS vs lefties to a career AAA guy? You just don't understand how outlandish that is?

Moreover, you're trying to spin from a GM perspective to not have traded for Castellanos who had a .328 OBP at time of trade. Somehow Stearns should have known that he'd hit like 50% better than he's done before for the next couple months. Plus, even if he did do it it probably wouldn't have been enough to win the division, let alone any serious playoff run. It's all hindsight BS, find the guy who got hottest after the trade, scream we should've got him. I guess that's also ignoring he probably picked up the best producing SP since the deadline and he got him for nothing whereas the Cubs overpaid for 2 months of Castellanos.


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Posted: September 06, 2019, 3:18 PM Post
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I can't blame Stearns for Shaw not hitting. Or Cain for getting dinged up by injuries (okay, maybe a little, as those things happen to guys who as they get older), or Arcia not getting any better. Or Chacin stinking it up. Or Jeffries imploding. Or Knebel having surgery. Or Gio getting hurt. Or Woodruff getting hurt. Or Aguilar for not hitting. Or for Taylor Williams and Jacob Barnes not getting any better (and actually getting worse).

I also don't blame him for rolling with his young starters - Peralta, Woodruff and Burnes. Was it risky? Yes, but I liked all three players and felt it was worth the risk.

I don't blame Stearns when we don't sign more free agents. He has a budget. Do I want that budget to be bigger? Yes. But I can't blame him for things he has no control over.

I don't blame him for not overpaying at the deadline (or whenever) by trading for higher profile players. This team was not good enough to 'go for it'. It would have only depleted our already depleted minor league system.

I CAN blame Stearns for not keeping Miley or Gio. I think it was a mistake to not bring one of them back from the start (or some other starter). At least he brought back Gio when he had the chance.

I can also blame Stearns for Matt Albers. We've stuck with him too long.

I can also blame Stearns for creating a bit of an awkward roster. Too many 1B/3B guys. Not a quality SS backup for much of the season.

I can give him the thumbs up for the Moustakas and Grandal signings.

I think we had solid depth on this team - but our pitching really showed us why the old 'you can never have enough pitching' saying is so true.

I will be interested to see where we go this offseason. We have some really good players - but we also have a lot of holes in the roster.


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Posted: September 06, 2019, 3:52 PM Post
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tmwiese55 said:
So in your opinion, we go from bad vs LHP to "crush them" by swapping Cain for Castellanos and Grandals' 850+ OPS vs lefties to a career AAA guy? You just don't understand how outlandish that is?

Moreover, you're trying to spin from a GM perspective to not have traded for Castellanos who had a .328 OBP at time of trade. Somehow Stearns should have known that he'd hit like 50% better than he's done before for the next couple months. Plus, even if he did do it it probably wouldn't have been enough to win the division, let alone any serious playoff run. It's all hindsight BS, find the guy who got hottest after the trade, scream we should've got him. I guess that's also ignoring he probably picked up the best producing SP since the deadline and he got him for nothing whereas the Cubs overpaid for 2 months of Castellanos.


I loved the moves he made at the deadline. Killed it. Just wish he’d have done more. And Yes Castellanos And Freitas, imo, would have crushed LHP. But instead we have another lineup like we’re gonna have tonight > Gross. I’ve heard that word used a lot to describe our lineup vs LHP lately, so I’ll use it here. You call it hindsight, some would call it fairly predictable taking a great hitter out of a pathetic losing environment > Detroit, and put him on a better team > MKE. Voilà. I’d have given up good prospects to get him into this lineup.


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Posted: September 06, 2019, 4:37 PM Post
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For the OP, I say no, and I think the impact of coaches is dramatically overstated in most cases. You have to put pretty high importance on coaching, overlook some improvements from guys, and even then I think that's a lot less important than player personnel moves.

Some regression should have been expected after a lot of key players had great seasons last year, so the question is whether we prepared appropriately and had backup plans in place. Problem is, guys didn't just regress toward the mean...

For the position players, the extent of the drop-off from Shaw, Cain, and Aguilar last year to this year is really challenging for any team to overcome...those guys went from all stars to smoking craters (except for Cain, who is merely ordinary after being one of the best position players in the league last year). What team could lose that much value from all three of those guys and still be in the race? We were much better prepared to absorb those hits than we could have expected though, with Moose, Hiura, Thames, and a big bump in catcher offense. Those investments in Moose and Yaz came at a price though...see below.

The criticism that I can support most is of the pitching moves. I liked the three young starters, but that's a plan with some obvious risk given the volatility of pitching. I think we had the depth so that we could handle one of three struggling, or even two, but we had two utter disasters, and then lost Chacin and the one success story among the young guys in Woodruff. Add to that that we lost two key bullpen pieces pre-season, and the spiral of more bad innings and more workload for the remaining good relievers just got out of hand. Given that we don't seem to trust most starters deep into games, it's hard to sustain a pitching staff under these conditions. We had starting depth with Davies and Anderson and went back to the well for Gio, but at some point it's a cascade failure where one part breaking puts more strain on those that remain and then the whole thing collapses in a heap. The ultimate lack of depth might in part reflect the money we spent on Moose and Yaz, of course. We took a risk, pushed a lot of chips in, and the risk didn't work.

Given all that went wrong, I think it's frankly a miracle that we're still over .500. Kind of sucks that this great Yelich season was not backed up by more team success, but at least there was a plan that seemed plausible. If you look at Burnes, Peralta, Shaw, Aguilar, Chacin, Knebel, two of those guys regressing but still retaining some of their value from last year is probably enough to get us in the playoffs. That's a pretty good gamble, honestly.

If Arcia is back next year I take it all back, though...


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Posted: September 06, 2019, 4:37 PM Post
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Edit: double somehow.

I might add, though, that I hope Stearns' valuations of players is less volatile than, say, a few recent posts.


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Posted: September 06, 2019, 6:39 PM Post
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Brew crew 92 said:

I loved the moves he made at the deadline. Killed it.


Really? Killed it?

I think his best moves were the ones he didn't make.

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Posted: September 06, 2019, 6:40 PM Post
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I think that's part of the point. They did get somewhat better, but didn't act stupidly.


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Posted: September 06, 2019, 6:44 PM Post
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turborickey said:
Brew crew 92 said:

I loved the moves he made at the deadline. Killed it.


Really? Killed it?

I think his best moves were the ones he didn't make.


Yeah, Lyles for Ponce > A+

Pomeranz & Black for Dubon > B+

Aguilar for Faria > C


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Posted: September 06, 2019, 7:28 PM Post
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Brew Crew 92> hard to follow your odd typing


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Posted: September 07, 2019, 5:34 AM Post
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turborickey said:
Brew crew 92 said:

I loved the moves he made at the deadline. Killed it.


Really? Killed it?

I think his best moves were the ones he didn't make.


Speaking of killing it, Dubon is killing it for the Giants. Homered twice already, off Kershaw last night. OPSing .960 and starting at both middle infield spots.

With Hiura and Moose out right now and throwing out junk every night for middle infielders, it sure would be nice to have Dubon as an option right now, especially against LHP. Right now we are starting Corey Spangenberg, a career journeyman lefty with a .568 career OPS vs lefties, every day against LHP because our middle infield options are that bad. That's not a good position to be in.

Before anyone gets too excited about renting Drew Pomeranz for a couple months, it should be considered that if Mauricio Dubon turns out to be even an average starting middle infielder at this level, giving up 6+ years of him for spare Giants bullpen parts will go down as a massive flop.


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Posted: September 07, 2019, 5:43 AM Post
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PeaveyFury said:
I think that's part of the point. They did get somewhat better, but didn't act stupidly.


I think giving up their 3rd rated prospect who is a middle infielder, given that their existing shortstop isn't very good, they got a rental lefty with a 5.28 ERA this year and a 29 year old bullpen project who may not even make the team next year was pretty stupid. I was vocal about that at the time.

I do realize that will come off as harsh and I'm probably in the minority on that stance now, however.


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Posted: September 07, 2019, 6:09 AM Post
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What a difference a year makes. Losing Knebel and Jeffress never returning to form was a big blow to the pen. Peralta and Burnes not performing well and Nelson struggles along with losing our ace Woody for all these weeks was a killer. Aguilar was so disappointing he was shipped off to Tampa. Shaw lost it at the plate. Cain was beat up all year. Moose too. I can't think of many teams with these kinds of issues overcoming these challenges and making the playoffs so if we somehow manage to sneak into a WC spot it will be a bloody miracle.


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Posted: September 07, 2019, 7:16 AM Post
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adambr2 said:
Speaking of killing it, Dubon is killing it for the Giants. Homered twice already, off Kershaw last night. OPSing .960 and starting at both middle infield spots.


Dubon has started 7 games for SF so far.

His first three he hit 200/200/400.

His last four he hit 462/462/1077.

Mauricio has been killing it for four whole games.

He also has yet to walk in 25 MLB PAs.


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Posted: September 07, 2019, 9:17 AM Post
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I'm still solidly in Stearns corner.

I'd still project Dubon as more of a utility infielder. But with SS looking like a pretty significant hole and Turang still years away, I think it's perfectly legitimate for anyone to question trading Dubon away. Unfortnately, that's almost more of a commentary on the continuing disappointment with Arcia than it is with Dubon's MLB upside.

Recent stuff I'd question is the promotion of some of the young players. I still think just about everything regarding the promotion of Grisham was odd. Gamel had done a really nice job for the Brewers when you look at his ability to get on base and play all the outfield spots. Did Stearns really think Grisham was going to OPS .950+ in his first go-around as a major leaguer? He had been on a tear in MiLB, but he didn't have nearly the track record or the reputation of someone like Hiura. And the pitching had been pretty lousy...so was this a "Grisham will OPS .950+ and we will just try to outslug everyone" attitude that was always saw during the Melvin era? Grisham hasn't been as good with the bat or the glove as Gamel has been. And now Grisham will have totaled somewhere around 60 days of service time that the Brewers will have to figure in the years of service and super 2 equations when they play those games down the road. I also question why they brought up Devin Williams when they did. It's one think to look at a guy's MiLB numbers, and a totally different thing to watch him pitch. Williams definitely has a MLB future, but the change-up does not look anywhere near MLB ready and his fastball command really isn't all that great. Have to question what people in the organization were saying that Williams should be on the MLB roster because everytime he's out there he looks shakey as can be. ERA has been hanging in there at a pretty good level, but with a 6.21 xFIP and 5 BB/9...just hasn't looked like a guy who should currently be in the majors.


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Posted: September 07, 2019, 9:22 AM Post
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JosephC said:
I'm still solidly in Stearns corner.

I'd still project Dubon as more of a utility infielder. But with SS looking like a pretty significant hole and Turang still years away, I think it's perfectly legitimate for anyone to question trading Dubon away. Unfortnately, that's almost more of a commentary on the continuing disappointment with Arcia than it is with Dubon's MLB upside.

Recent stuff I'd question is the promotion of some of the young players. I still think just about everything regarding the promotion of Grisham was odd. Gamel had done a really nice job for the Brewers when you look at his ability to get on base and play all the outfield spots. Did Stearns really think Grisham was going to OPS .950+ in his first go-around as a major leaguer? He had been on a tear in MiLB, but he didn't have nearly the track record or the reputation of someone like Hiura. And the pitching had been pretty lousy...so was this a "Grisham will OPS .950+ and we will just try to outslug everyone" attitude that was always saw during the Melvin era? Grisham hasn't been as good with the bat or the glove as Gamel has been. And now Grisham will have totaled somewhere around 60 days of service time that the Brewers will have to figure in the years of service and super 2 equations when they play those games down the road. I also question why they brought up Devin Williams when they did. It's one think to look at a guy's MiLB numbers, and a totally different thing to watch him pitch. Williams definitely has a MLB future, but the change-up does not look anywhere near MLB ready and his fastball command really isn't all that great. Have to question what people in the organization were saying that Williams should be on the MLB roster because everytime he's out there he looks shakey as can be. ERA has been hanging in there at a pretty good level, but with a 6.21 xFIP and 5 BB/9...just hasn't looked like a guy who should currently be in the majors.


Well ... Devin Williams isn't currently in the big leagues, so ...


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Posted: September 07, 2019, 9:50 AM Post
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Name the GM in the history of the game that has had every single move they make turn out in their favor..........I'll wait..........

Holding up the Dubon trade (as one that MAY not work out) is the epitome of the example that proves the point. This board is really bad at taking small sample sizes and trying to make a point. Of all the players that Stearns has traded away or let walk, who exactly are we missing? Miley, Dubon? Stearns is fine.

but it's not like every guy suddenly forgot every piece of advice he gave


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Posted: September 07, 2019, 9:54 AM Post
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Name the GM in the history of the game that has had every single move they make turn out in their favor..........I'll wait..........

Holding up the Dubon trade (as one that MAY not work out) is the epitome of the example that proves the point. This board is really bad at taking small sample sizes and trying to make a point. Of all the players that Stearns has traded away or let walk, who exactly are we missing? Miley, Dubon? Stearns is fine.


I have no real opinion one way or another, but Miley would have been a HUGE get if we had signed him. HUGE!

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Posted: September 07, 2019, 10:15 AM Post
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turborickey said:
82brewcrew82 said:
Name the GM in the history of the game that has had every single move they make turn out in their favor..........I'll wait..........

Holding up the Dubon trade (as one that MAY not work out) is the epitome of the example that proves the point. This board is really bad at taking small sample sizes and trying to make a point. Of all the players that Stearns has traded away or let walk, who exactly are we missing? Miley, Dubon? Stearns is fine.


I have no real opinion one way or another, but Miley would have been a HUGE get if we had signed him. HUGE!

Why? It's been noted time again that Houston drastically changed his approach when he went to Houston. Are you saying the Brewers staff would have made the same changes and he would have performed to the exact same level as he has with Hosuton? If the pitching god we had for a coach last year couldn't figure it out, what makes you think our "should be fired" current pitching coach was going to figure that out?

Even assuming that, there wasn't exactly a board wide cry for keeping Miley. There were those that would have liked to keep him, sure but not one of those people were predicting Miley to be what he is this year. Given all of that I think calling Miley a miss is a marginal ding against Stearns and Dubon is a dubious ding at best. Outside of that, what player that he has traded or let walk are we really missing?

but it's not like every guy suddenly forgot every piece of advice he gave


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