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Posted: October 02, 2019, 10:22 AM Post
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So, can someone with more knowledge on returning contracts, tell me where our total payroll would be if we did the following this offseason:

Sign Yaz for a 3 year, 54M deal (18M per)
Sign Moose for a 3 year, 33M deal (11M per)
Sign Lyles for a 2 year, 8M deal (4M per)
Sign Pomeranz for a 2 year 6M deal (3M per)
Decline Chase Anderson's option
Pick up Eric Thames option
Trade Travis Shaw for a lower level prospect or two

I know other deals would probably happen along the way, but I'm just curious where our payroll would fall compared to this past season - if we made the moves mentioned above?


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 10:28 AM Post
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I think a more organized way to discuss the roster going into the off season would be to have a few dedicated threads along the lines of but not limited to:

Option decisions
Arbitration decisions
Outgoing free agents


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:24 AM Post
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With Grisham/Gamel/Taylor, there should be no excuse for sending Cain out in 2020 when he is as banged up as he was in 2019. None.

And for $16 million a year, he can darn well tell CC when he is hurting beyond the normal soreness.


Given that you're well known for placing less than zero value on defense, I'm going to take this with a grain of salt.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:28 AM Post
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madtownhawk said:
Sign Pomeranz for a 2 year 6M deal (3M per)


I think you have to at least double the AAV here.

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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:31 AM Post
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trwi7 said:
madtownhawk said:
Sign Pomeranz for a 2 year 6M deal (3M per)


I think you have to at least double the AAV here.


Is Lyles really going to go from a 1-yr 2M deal to a 2 yr 12M deal this offseason? You might be right, but I guess that feels awfully steep for a guy that doesn't have a long track record of success.

And, honestly - at that rate, I'm not sure if he'd be worth the risk?


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:33 AM Post
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madtownhawk said:
trwi7 said:
madtownhawk said:
Sign Pomeranz for a 2 year 6M deal (3M per)


I think you have to at least double the AAV here.


Is Lyles really going to go from a 1-yr 2M deal to a 2 yr 12M deal this offseason? You might be right, but I guess that feels awfully steep for a guy that doesn't have a long track record of success.


He seems to have been talking about Pomeranz and I would agree. I was thinking more like 2/13.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:46 AM Post
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adambr2 said:

He seems to have been talking about Pomeranz and I would agree. I was thinking more like 2/13.


I think Pomeranz, coming off a horrible year, singed with the Giants for about $3 million. I would expect him to double that as a reliever.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:53 AM Post
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I think they gotta go for it for one more year--just don't make any long term FA signings. Stearns and co. seem to have a great eye for diamonds in the rough (Lyles, Pomeranz, Miley, etc.)--load up on as many guys as you can in Spring Training and just work it out from there.

Basically a repeat strategy of this year and hope for better injury luck and fewer guys falling off a cliff.

The Grandal/Moose question is a huge one though...


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:57 AM Post
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Find a value FA signing at a position of need (C, SS, 3B, or SP). You have internal backup plans for whichever one of those positions you do not address with a FA.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 12:05 PM Post
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Find a value FA signing at a position of need (C, SS, 3B, or SP). You have internal backup plans for whichever one of those positions you do not address with a FA.


Pretty generous to say we have backup plans at either SS or 3B.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 12:15 PM Post
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True Blue Brew Crew said:
clancyphile said:
With Grisham/Gamel/Taylor, there should be no excuse for sending Cain out in 2020 when he is as banged up as he was in 2019. None.

And for $16 million a year, he can darn well tell CC when he is hurting beyond the normal soreness.


Given that you're well known for placing less than zero value on defense, I'm going to take this with a grain of small.


Playing hurt like he did also affected his offense.

Cain was not Cain. When healthy, he is a high-contact, good-OBP guy with speed and some pop.

Instead we saw an OPS that was awful. Yelich led the team in steals.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 12:19 PM Post
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I have no idea what options we have at SS, but I am ready to move on from Arcia. He is what he is, a .220 hitter that swings at everything and plays great defense. It is pretty clear his plate discipline isn't going to improve going forward.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 12:58 PM Post
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Joey Meyer Bombs said:
adambr2 said:

He seems to have been talking about Pomeranz and I would agree. I was thinking more like 2/13.


I think Pomeranz, coming off a horrible year, singed with the Giants for about $3 million. I would expect him to double that as a reliever.


My bad - yeah, he clearly mentioned Pomeranz. Not sure why I thought he was talking about Lyles in that situation? But, I guess my argument still holds - is Pomeranz really going to go from a 1 yr 1.5M deal with the Giants to all of a sudden getting 6-6.5M per? That seems like an awfully big raise for a guy that had a couple of good months out of the pen this year? I'd probably be on board for 2 yr 8-9M type deal for him, but 12-13M seems a bit high to me.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 2:47 PM Post
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Situational hitting has been a big problem for this team for a while now. Or inability to get a hit with RISP or just putting the ball in play with less than 2 outs and a runner at 3rd has killed us this year and is why we lost the division IMO. We strike out too much and not make pitchers work.


They were 4th in baseball and first in the NL in pitches per PA as hitters. They made pitchers work more than any other NL team.

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Posted: October 02, 2019, 4:33 PM Post
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Pomeranz is going to get paid. This isn’t his first time doing great in a relief role. He has done it for over 100 innings of sub 3 ERA ball and good supporting stats.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 4:46 PM Post
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Fire Chris Hook, and get someone from the outside of the organization with a fresh set of eyes


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madtownhawk said:
Joey Meyer Bombs said:
adambr2 said:

He seems to have been talking about Pomeranz and I would agree. I was thinking more like 2/13.


I think Pomeranz, coming off a horrible year, singed with the Giants for about $3 million. I would expect him to double that as a reliever.


My bad - yeah, he clearly mentioned Pomeranz. Not sure why I thought he was talking about Lyles in that situation? But, I guess my argument still holds - is Pomeranz really going to go from a 1 yr 1.5M deal with the Giants to all of a sudden getting 6-6.5M per? That seems like an awfully big raise for a guy that had a couple of good months out of the pen this year? I'd probably be on board for 2 yr 8-9M type deal for him, but 12-13M seems a bit high to me.


Anthony Swarzak never made $1 million in a season, had a great year in relief and turned it into a 2/14 contract. Now obviously that contract didn't work out but I'd be shocked if some team didn't at least go 2/10 for him and try him out as a reliever.

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Posted: October 02, 2019, 8:02 PM Post
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Pugger said:
DHonks said:
players:
-re-sign any of Pomeranz, Lyles, Grandal, and Moose? Would love to keep all 4 but Yaz is prob gone.
-Is Nelson a starter or reliever? looked good in last month's outings Let's see how he looks in AZ this summer.
-Peralta to AAA rotation, MLB rotation, or MLB pen? he's still awfully young, but loved the velocity jump MLB pen where he can use that FB
-Burnes to AAA rotation, MLB rotation, or MLB pen? AAA. He needs to figure it all out.
-Houser to rotation or 1-2 IP 6th-7th inning guy? Good question. 6th or 7th inning at least.
-Suter as 2 IP reliever or starter? By next year he could be ready to go back into the rotation.
-1b. Will it be Thames at $7.5m, Shaw at $4m, Braun, or someone else? Keep Braun at LF. I don't know about Shaw at 1st. How about Tyler Austin/Thames?
-3b. Will it be Shaw or Moose? Hopefully Moose. Shaw could be his backup or another FA.
-What kind of value does Shaw, Davies, and Anderson have on the trade market? Not much for Shaw. I'd keep Davies + Anderson - they won't cost to much.
-Perez or someone more valuable offensively? I think they like his versatility as a backup.
-is Nottingham ready to be a backup? Backup. Perhaps get another FA?

philosophies:
- how to improve situational hitting and have more sustained rallies
- can we add the DH? Only if we move back to AL. [wink]
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Situational hitting has been a big problem for this team for a while now. Or inability to get a hit with RISP or just putting the ball in play with less than 2 outs and a runner at 3rd has killed us this year and is why we lost the division IMO. We strike out too much and not make pitchers work.


Contrary to popular opinion, I think Stearns has a good chance to re-sign Grandal to something like 3 for $48-49M (more than the 3 for $44M he turned down). I believe 3 for $33M get Moose back. If Nelson looks good in spring, he should be in the rotation with Gio as the alternative. Burnes once again looked horrible in his last outing and should start in AA or AAA as a starter. Peralta has become an every 3rd day pen guy. Houser has shown enough (certainly not great by any means, but enough) to get another chance at the rotation. Anderson is a low end option and should be dealt if they re-sign Lyles. Anderson is scheduled to make $8.5M and that money could be used better elsewhere. Shaw is history if Moose is re-signed and Perez is too expensive for what he brings to the team. None of those three will bring much, but it is money that could be used elsewhere. Austin also brings little or nothing and is gone. I'd like to see Stearns get Neil Walker (.261/.344) for $2M-$3M. He's a SW and can play 1B or 3B for either Thames or Moose. Imo the big thing Stearns has to do is somehow get another starter who's better than Davies or Anderson.


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Posted: October 02, 2019, 8:04 PM Post
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If the best we can do is aim for Neil Walker, I don't want 2020 to get here.

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Posted: October 02, 2019, 8:13 PM Post
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Signing Yaz for 3 years (with Cain and Yelich) is big. $54 mil for 3?
If Yaz is out of reach, signing Moose for 3 at $11 a year. Both cannot be done, imo.
Getting Lyles or Pomeranz would be nice at a team friendly 2 year deal.
Getting one of the pitchers is probable. Getting one of Moose or Grandal is not..


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