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Posted: March 10, 2020, 10:45 AM Post
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Eric Lauer, competing for fifth starter job for Brewers, dealing with left shoulder impingement, relatively minor but issue does rule out start of the season, Counsell said.


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Eric Lauer, competing for fifth starter job for Brewers, dealing with left shoulder impingement, relatively minor but issue does rule out start of the season, Counsell said.


This more or less solves the rotation "problem". Peralta likely takes 5th spot. When Lauer is ready, he probably gets sent on a rehab assignment unless there's an immediate need...and bides time to see how things shake out.


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Eric Lauer, competing for fifth starter job for Brewers, dealing with left shoulder impingement, relatively minor but issue does rule out start of the season, Counsell said.


Can't rewind his clock if he's on the DL. No Bueno.


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Posted: March 10, 2020, 12:08 PM Post
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Eric Lauer, competing for fifth starter job for Brewers, dealing with left shoulder impingement, relatively minor but issue does rule out start of the season, Counsell said.


...and this is why it's important to have good options in AAA who are already stretched out. There will be injuries over the course of the season, so I'm glad we have depth.

Before this occurred, I hoped we'd go with Woodruff, Anderson, Lindblom, Houser, and Peralta in the MLB rotation, with Lauer and Burnes starting in AAA. I'd rather not have an injured pitcher, but barring other injuries, I think this solidifies the rotation.

Lauer will rehab in AAA, and if someone is pitching poorly and he's pitching well in AAA, then he can replace the under-performer when he's healthy and ready. If everyone in the rotation is pitching well, then we can keep Lauer and Burnes in AAA until they're needed. It's not always about "best arm," things like contracts, service time, and maintaining depth also come into play when constructing the MLB roster.

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Posted: March 10, 2020, 12:21 PM Post
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https://twitter.com/jakedrill/status/12 ... 65120?s=21

Freddy Peralta and Corbin Burnes will continue to battle for No. 5 spot in #Brewers rotation


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Posted: March 10, 2020, 12:27 PM Post
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I really wish we hadn't signed Anderson... He just complicates things.

Oh well, once he gets hurt, it will be a moot point.

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Posted: March 10, 2020, 12:29 PM Post
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https://twitter.com/jakedrill/status/1237421043288965120?s=21

Freddy Peralta and Corbin Burnes will continue to battle for No. 5 spot in #Brewers rotation


Wait, I don't understand. Didn't Counsel say the 5th spot would be either Peralta or Lauer? But now all of a sudden Burnes is in the running? Weird...

Maybe CC shouldn't be so dismissive of other options so early in spring training.....


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Posted: March 10, 2020, 12:31 PM Post
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I really wish we hadn't signed Anderson... He just complicates things.

Oh well, once he gets hurt, it will be a moot point.


The Lauer news would seemingly contradict this statement.

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Posted: March 10, 2020, 1:18 PM Post
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turborickey said:
I really wish we hadn't signed Anderson... He just complicates things.

Oh well, once he gets hurt, it will be a moot point.


The Lauer news would seemingly contradict this statement.


Yeah, I don't get why someone would hate depth. It's pretty likely that all of the seven guys competing for the rotation will get MLB starts this year. It's also pretty likely that at least one of them will under-perform, so it's good to have capable replacements.

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Yeah, I don't get why someone would hate depth. It's pretty likely that all of the seven guys competing for the rotation will get MLB starts this year. It's also pretty likely that at least one of them will under-perform, so it's good to have capable replacements.


For me it's less about hating depth, I don't think anyone hates depth. My issue is I want the best guys pitching if possible. We can still maintain depth with the best guys starting. Prior to the Lauer injury, my preference was one of Lindblom/Anderson in the pen and Lauer and Peralta starting. With the Lauer injury and now Burnes/Peralta competing for the last spot...that changes things.

I'll say I 100% want Peralta in the rotation to open the year. I don't want him opening in the pen and getting shifted to a starter during the year. I don't want to bounce a young arm that we are definitely keeping long term from the pen to rotation. I won't mind if we bounce him to the pen later on to limit his innings(if needed) and as a multi-inning playoff weapon, I just don't want to re-stretch him out again in May or June. I care much less if we do that with Lindblom or Anderson...especially Anderson considering he's a 1 year commitment.

So if the Brewers decide Burnes has turned a corner and bump him to the opening day rotation, I would then want one of Lindblom/Anderson to the pen. It's probably smartest at this point to let Burnes open in AAA for a month and see how that goes...but we'll see.

Protecting and developing Burnes/Peralta must be a priority, as they are the future of the rotation...and it's tough to imagine us legit contending for a WS this year without one or both of them breaking out in a big way. A playoff rotation of Woodruff, Houser, Anderson, Lindblom scares nobody...not even the Pirates.


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Posted: March 10, 2020, 2:07 PM Post
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Anderson being depth?

The guy is hurt constantly. We need depth behind him to allow for his IL stays during the season, but I don't look at him as depth for that reason. Depth would be guys you can count on to fill in for guys like Anderson, who we all know is going to be injured.

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Posted: March 10, 2020, 2:12 PM Post
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Anderson being depth?

The guy is hurt constantly. We need depth behind him to allow for his IL stays during the season, but I don't look at him as depth for that reason. Depth would be guys you can count on to fill in for guys like Anderson, who we all know is going to be injured.


Innings need to be pitched regardless, and Anderson put up 2.5 WAR in the 176 of them he pitched last year. Yeah, he has a rough injury history, which is why you like to have many options if that's an issue again.

But he has a history of being an above average pitcher when he does take the mound.


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But he has a history of being an above average pitcher when he does take the mound.


Brett Anderson from 2015-2019. 5.28 k/9(lowest in MLB), 2.21 k/bb, 4.38 ERA, 4.32 FIP, 501 innings, 4.8 WAR. None of that is above average. The only thing he does above average is generate ground balls(58.1%)...which is less valuable with between 1 and 3 questionable infield defenders on a given day.


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That's a bit misleading, Keith. Of the 2015-19 time period you cite, that represents only two seasons where his results weren't injury-affected, as 2015 and 2019 combined represented 70% of those innings, and 75% of the WAR. In those two seasons, he put up ERAs of 3.69 and 3.89, respectively, and WARs of 1.6 and 2.5.

The point is, when he's healthy and on the mound, he performs well, and that's less innings than our likely innings-limited guys like Peralta and Burnes would need to pitch. And the beauty of his deal is that if he's the injury-plagued guy of 16-18, the Brewers 60-day DL him for the rest of the season and it's done. The Brewers are clearly hoping for the 170-inning Anderson, but they're out very little if he's the 33 inning guy.


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Posted: March 10, 2020, 3:27 PM Post
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If we hadn't signed Anderson we'd be looking at an opening day rotation of Woodruff, Houser, Lindblom, Peralta, Burnes with Shelby Miller as our top fill in option. No thanks


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Posted: March 10, 2020, 4:37 PM Post
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PeaveyFury’s point about innings limits for Peralta and Burnes is something I’d been considering as well. I have no idea what their innings limits are. One thing I do know is this: I can accept starting a guy in the pen to preserve depth early in the year no problem. However, I probably start to fault decisions and get grumpy when we have to shut down a good pitcher during a pennant race because of innings limits.

Edit to clarify: the decision I’d fault would be the decision that lead to reaching an innings limit, not the decision to shut down an arm when that limit has been reached.


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Posted: March 10, 2020, 6:06 PM Post
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If we hadn't signed Anderson we'd be looking at an opening day rotation of Woodruff, Houser, Lindblom, Peralta, Burnes with Shelby Miller as our top fill in option. No thanks


Depth is good. So I get that. Lauer injury just proves that but since I personally want Woody, Houser, Burnes, & Peralta in rotation....I’d still would have been fine with it. Burnes ceiling imo isn’t much different than Woody’s. He’s a frontline guy potential, just needs to pitch at MLB level and make adjustments as he grows. Sadly, he will prob have to sit in AAA.

Lot of talk about Anderson. If healthy he is pretty effective. He’s a solid pitcher who will get outs. Will he stay healthy, who knows. If I was a betting man, I’d take the under on him starting 17 games based on history. Not a guy you look forward to seeing on mound or guy you see is pitching and say confidently “oh we should be good tonight.” However, he will compete and more often than not, give you a chance to win. Burnes & Peralta get me excited to tune in. That is only thing that I don’t like about signing is that it kicks a guy I really enjoy watching out. If I take away that bias, think him & Lindblom are solid guys in this rotation.

Interested to see what arms start knocking on door and present depth options. Think most of us were predicting a Hader/Burnes type summer last year for Brown. Come up in July to help bullpen Then compete for job this spring. That bombed and Brown was nowhere near the guy we expected him to be last year. Hopefully he bounces back. Trey Supek could be a guy by mid season if he continues to make adjustments he has after each call up. He shows struggles early after mid season promotions but when he comes back & repeats, he rolls. He had his learning struggles in AAA last year. So could see him coming out very strong.


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Eric Lauer, competing for fifth starter job for Brewers, dealing with left shoulder impingement, relatively minor but issue does rule out start of the season, Counsell said.


Can't rewind his clock if he's on the DL. No Bueno.


totally irrelevant. Fans worry more about arby clocks than teams to. Teams want production


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Eric Lauer, competing for fifth starter job for Brewers, dealing with left shoulder impingement, relatively minor but issue does rule out start of the season, Counsell said.


Can't rewind his clock if he's on the DL. No Bueno.


totally irrelevant. Fans worry more about arby clocks than teams to. Teams want production


I'd believe that if CC hadnt said Peralta and Lauer are battling for the #5 and guaranteed spots to Houser, Lindblom.....and Anderson. After Freddy's contract his service clock matters 0. Woodruff will be a Super 2. Lauer will be a Super 2 if he is on the roster 130days? Roughly. Hader is a Super 2. That will add up 2years from now. Hader#3 Woodruff#2 Lauer#2 Houser#1.
So just saying, it would help their payroll quite a bit to option him for 9starts.


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Posted: March 10, 2020, 11:13 PM Post
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DHonks said:

totally irrelevant. Fans worry more about arby clocks than teams to. Teams want production


I'd believe that if CC hadnt said Peralta and Lauer are battling for the #5 and guaranteed spots to Houser, Lindblom.....and Anderson. After Freddy's contract his service clock matters 0. Woodruff will be a Super 2. Lauer will be a Super 2 if he is on the roster 130days? Roughly. Hader is a Super 2. That will add up 2years from now. Hader#3 Woodruff#2 Lauer#2 Houser#1.
So just saying, it would help their payroll quite a bit to option him for 9starts.


Didn't he also say the loser was likely headed to the pen? That's the other thing with Lauer's injury: If they stick with the plan of having Burnes in AAA it opens up another bullpen job.


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