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Posted: October 02, 2019, 11:50 PM Post
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I have a huge fondness of baseball for the sake of watching baseball. I got old enough to get serious about being a Brewers fan over 30 years ago. I remember the World Series a bit but Team Streak got me hooked. Since then there’s been 5 seasons where I could dream on a championship. I didn’t just tune out the other 27 years. So I’m a fan and in general I love the game the characters and the endless possibilities that exist from one game to the next. Never forget the joy and simplicity of a weird game on a July Wednesday night even if you’re already 10 below 500.

With all that said I still clamor for, dream of, and believe in the chance for a championship. And Jericho, you say it won’t mean much to you but tell me that after it happens.

I sat in Camp Randall through the Jim Hillis year, the Don Morton years, and then when the Badgers won the 94 Rose Bowl it was amazing the euphoria that came with it. 25 years later I can still see that Bevell TD run and get goosebumps.

A Brewers world championship will beat that all to hell.


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Posted: October 03, 2019, 7:15 AM Post
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I did not have any fun watching the WC game which made me realize I need to stop taking this stuff so seriously. Attending Felix Hernandez' final start last week was way more fun. Ultimately I just want to be entertained...there are ways to do that other than chasing a championship which is nearly impossible. Even the Dodgers can't win a championship and their fans are probably bored of the postseason at this point...I'm sure there will be plenty of empty seats at Dodger Stadium tomorrow night. Meanwhile there are about 10 perennially bad teams whose fanbases go insane when they make the playoffs once a decade. 54,000 at the A's game tonight...and the Rays will certainly have huge crowds for their playoff games. The fans want more postseason baseball!!!

Eventually American professional sports leagues are going to get smart and realize that there is entertainment value in making the bad teams compete for stuff...if not promotion/relegation then at least put the bad teams in a tournament for the #1 draft pick.


It is fascinating to me, over the last two years, how "un-fun" the postseason has been. Even Moose's walk-off in Game 1 of the NLDS felt more like a relief. Winning Game 6 felt like it brought another day of nervous tension. There's wonder in that tension for sure, and I hope we get more of it, but the playoffs remind you how cruel and random baseball can be. I mean a weird HBP and a broken bat single turned that WC game.

By the way, in Game 7 of the 2001 WS series, Craig Counsell came up with runners at 2nd and 3rd in a tie game against Mariano Rivera. He got hit on the hand.

Luis Gonzalez then hit a little flair to win it.

Baseball is weird. That's why I love it. That's why it breaks my heart.


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Posted: October 03, 2019, 7:25 AM Post
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owbc said:
I did not have any fun watching the WC game which made me realize I need to stop taking this stuff so seriously. Attending Felix Hernandez' final start last week was way more fun. Ultimately I just want to be entertained...there are ways to do that other than chasing a championship which is nearly impossible. Even the Dodgers can't win a championship and their fans are probably bored of the postseason at this point...I'm sure there will be plenty of empty seats at Dodger Stadium tomorrow night. Meanwhile there are about 10 perennially bad teams whose fanbases go insane when they make the playoffs once a decade. 54,000 at the A's game tonight...and the Rays will certainly have huge crowds for their playoff games. The fans want more postseason baseball!!!

Eventually American professional sports leagues are going to get smart and realize that there is entertainment value in making the bad teams compete for stuff...if not promotion/relegation then at least put the bad teams in a tournament for the #1 draft pick.


It is fascinating to me, over the last two years, how "un-fun" the postseason has been. Even Moose's walk-off in Game 1 of the NLDS felt more like a relief. Winning Game 6 felt like it brought another day of nervous tension. There's wonder in that tension for sure, and I hope we get more of it, but the playoffs remind you how cruel and random baseball can be. I mean a weird HBP and a broken bat single turned that WC game.

By the way, in Game 7 of the 2001 WS series, Craig Counsell came up with runners at 2nd and 3rd in a tie game against Mariano Rivera. He got hit on the hand.

Luis Gonzalez then hit a little flair to win it.

Baseball is weird. That's why I love it. That's why it breaks my heart.


I don't remember anybody being really dejected when the Brewers got punked by the Phillies in '08. We treated the WC clinch like a pennant. We're greedy now.


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Posted: October 03, 2019, 7:29 AM Post
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I didn't get very upset when it happened the other night. I came into the playoffs knowing this team had just so many warts that it wasn't an ideal roster to do much. Now, that isn't saying that they could not beat the other playoff teams but just that it wasn't a high probability of happening. Really cool that they put on a show in September and got themselves into the one-game situation though. A stepping stone for this franchise to hopefully continue having sustained success. More times you get in, the more chances you have to win it all.

"I'm not as good as I was but in big moments I'm still the guy. I want that opportunity." -Ryan Braun


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Posted: October 03, 2019, 7:32 AM Post
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OldSchoolSnapper said:
Cool Hand Lucroy said:
owbc said:
I did not have any fun watching the WC game which made me realize I need to stop taking this stuff so seriously. Attending Felix Hernandez' final start last week was way more fun. Ultimately I just want to be entertained...there are ways to do that other than chasing a championship which is nearly impossible. Even the Dodgers can't win a championship and their fans are probably bored of the postseason at this point...I'm sure there will be plenty of empty seats at Dodger Stadium tomorrow night. Meanwhile there are about 10 perennially bad teams whose fanbases go insane when they make the playoffs once a decade. 54,000 at the A's game tonight...and the Rays will certainly have huge crowds for their playoff games. The fans want more postseason baseball!!!

Eventually American professional sports leagues are going to get smart and realize that there is entertainment value in making the bad teams compete for stuff...if not promotion/relegation then at least put the bad teams in a tournament for the #1 draft pick.


It is fascinating to me, over the last two years, how "un-fun" the postseason has been. Even Moose's walk-off in Game 1 of the NLDS felt more like a relief. Winning Game 6 felt like it brought another day of nervous tension. There's wonder in that tension for sure, and I hope we get more of it, but the playoffs remind you how cruel and random baseball can be. I mean a weird HBP and a broken bat single turned that WC game.

By the way, in Game 7 of the 2001 WS series, Craig Counsell came up with runners at 2nd and 3rd in a tie game against Mariano Rivera. He got hit on the hand.

Luis Gonzalez then hit a little flair to win it.

Baseball is weird. That's why I love it. That's why it breaks my heart.


I don't remember anybody being really dejected when the Brewers got punked by the Phillies in '08. We treated the WC clinch like a pennant. We're greedy now.


The entire last week of that season was such a roller coaster - Wes Helms helping the Brewers get a playoff spot.

For me at least, the Ben Sheets injury really took the wind out of my sails. Had the team had CC & Sheets, I would've loved their chances to win it all that year.

"I wasted so much time in my life hating Juventus or A.C. Milan that I should have spent hating the Cardinals." ~kalle8

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Posted: October 03, 2019, 8:17 AM Post
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The Phillies were obviously much better than the Brewers in 2008 and breezed through the playoffs rather easily against the Dodgers and Rays as well, it was one of those playoff losses that actually wasn't a gut punch. It still stunk to lose at Miller Park in Game 4 but it was a fun run. I still say that Game 3 at Miller Park which was the first playoff game in Milwaukee in over 25 years was the most fun I ever had at a Brewers game, the crowd was electric and so pumped to win that game.

It has been nice to to be in the playoffs more recently but losing to the Cardinals in the NLCS at home, Dodgers in game 7 of the NLCS at home and then losing at Washington the way they did is just so miserable.


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Posted: October 03, 2019, 9:11 PM Post
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This Wild Card didn't bother me because I never thought we were in a position to win it all. Last year I thought we outplayed the Dodgers and just failed to get the last big hit we needed. That was a fun series to watch but it was also very frustrating that we didn't finish it off. These chances don't come along all that often and we genuinely could have won it all last season.


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Posted: October 03, 2019, 9:26 PM Post
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If you ever think the Brewers won't win it in your lifetime or if you ever wonder why you keep putting yourself through it as a fan, just think of me.

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Posted: October 04, 2019, 1:32 AM Post
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It's never all or nothing. It's the journey and following your team that brings joy. Lesser accomplishments are still great. I will never forget the pure joy of watching the Brewers win the tiebreaker in Wrigley last year. Even if it was only to win the division. I'll never forget the run in '08 and what it meant to us to finally see the Brewers in the postseason.

Mathematically speaking, if you're like me and have three pro sports teams that you follow (and assuming it's a roughly even playing field, which it certainly is not in baseball) you will see on average, one title a decade. I think I'll try to enjoy more than one day every ten years as a sports fan, otherwise this truly would be torture.


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Posted: October 04, 2019, 2:12 AM Post
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The journey is definitely part of the joy, and I still enjoyed this season. I am just saying you have to know that there is at least some chance of winning a championship to even enjoy the journey. What good is the journey if not in pursuit of the ultimate goal? That doesn't mean you can't enjoy anything less, but you at least need to go in knowing there's more than zero chance.

A gambler wouldn't go into a casino if he knew he couldn't win, he's not going to get that rush if there's no hope of a payoff. That chance, however minuscule, keeps him coming back. It doesn't matter how good the chance is, you just need to know it exists. It's the same here. Would you really have enjoyed the NLCS last year if you knew with 100% certainty that we weren't going to win? I wouldn't have.


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Posted: October 04, 2019, 6:37 AM Post
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Even had we beat Washington, I didn't see us beating the Dodgers. Crazier things have happened and maybe had we had Yeli things might've been a bit different, but it was a nice run they had at the end of the year to get in. It'll be interesting to see who Stearns tries to keep and what moves they make. Picking up Anderson's and Thames options seem like no brainers. You probably offer to pick up Grandal and Mous as well, but it wouldn't shock me if they both opt to test free agency.


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Posted: October 04, 2019, 8:29 AM Post
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Last offseason Moose tested FA but he ended up back in Milwaukee. Did he not get other offers or were the other offers not that much better? I can't recall...


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Posted: October 04, 2019, 8:39 AM Post
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Man. Some serious navel-gazing here.

We could be a mess like the Orioles, Tigers or Pirates. We have been that mess in the past. In many ways, we’re the model small market franchise at the moment.

Enjoy the ride, but understand the ride may not take us to the destination we want. No fan of any team is owed a championship. Coming close sucks, but it’s better than being miles away. I’d rather have my heart broken than not have a heart in the game to break.

It’s still fun. It’s still just entertainment. It still mirrors life’s ups and downs. So release the angst and ride the wave. Otherwise, what’s the point?


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Posted: October 04, 2019, 4:17 PM Post
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Man. Some serious navel-gazing here.

We could be a mess like the Orioles, Tigers or Pirates. We have been that mess in the past. In many ways, we’re the model small market franchise at the moment.

Enjoy the ride, but understand the ride may not take us to the destination we want. No fan of any team is owed a championship. Coming close sucks, but it’s better than being miles away. I’d rather have my heart broken than not have a heart in the game to break.

It’s still fun. It’s still just entertainment. It still mirrors life’s ups and downs. So release the angst and ride the wave. Otherwise, what’s the point?


Agreed, coming close and not quite winning a title does suck, but compared to not seeing a winning season until I was 17 years old. I can live with some postseason runs that don't end in world series lol.


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Posted: October 04, 2019, 4:39 PM Post
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Baseball is so hard for teams to win, especially consistently. A professional sports league where a super star cannot single handedly carry a team. The Angels have a once in a lifetime player, but for all Trout’s skills the rest of the Angels players aren’t very good so they struggle to compete. Unlike the NBA or NFL drafting talent doesn’t have an immediate impact; so there’s nearly a third of MLB teams where the cupboards are barren of talent and have zero chance of winning at the beginning of the year. Then, some teams that have the horses to win it all come out and get all banged up with injuries or flat out lay an egg like the Red Sox and Cubs.

Besides the immediate sting of a come from behind loss I don’t see how anyone could feel any disappointment with how this Brewers season turned out. September was a blast especially after the ho-him season to that point, and the WC game was intense as well even if it was a loss.


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